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Originally posted by snupy:
"Little girl"???? You must be mistaking me for someone else.Force of habit, huh?

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yeppers, I always wanted to be a catholic girls school principal. Too bed they took away paddling >;o).....jk.........Z

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Originally posted by Bregalad:
Haven't you got that backwards? I know men don't understand how women's brains work, but we're not the ones disecting every phrase looking for hidden meaning.

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Of course not, men don't look for a hidden meaning. They just decide to interpret something a certain way and then go and try to convince them otherwise. Don't give me that crap. There's plenty of women who don't "disect every phrase looking for a hidden meaning", and I've personally met quite a few men who do.

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Originally posted by GameMaster:
Zorro, King of pigs was meant as an insult... I suppose I should point out that method of "'love' them and and leave them" seems to leave you wanting and missing a large part of life and your self. Perhaps learning to LOVE rather than just LUSTing, would do you well. Personally, love denied would e an all too just karmatic payback... *sigh* if only I were the one who the universe let dole out reward and punishment.

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A: I've had the opportunity to see the future a long time ago, I won't be a part of it for too much longer. I'll be lucky if I survive into the 40's. Of course, that could have been a drug induced vision, it's all kinda hazy when I think about it. I still have a shred a hope that things might improve, but I won't hold my breath. for every positive thing that happens, there is something else to bring Me back down. Just when I get the future to look all clean and shiny, the past rears its ugly head and wipes its ass over everything.

Is there really no-one worthwhile in Milton?

A: I don't know yet, Ive only been in Milton since January. It is a rather small town and I'm not sure where people go to meet around here. I don't care for smoky bars so that eliminates the obvious.

Maybe you should move, get out of Milton, maybe even Washington too, and go someplace else, someplace new, where you can put the past behind you, and start afresh.

A: funny part was I moved to the seattle area 6 years ago to start anew. so far I have found the people even less tolerable than the ones I left in spokane. I have traveled all around the US and I haven't been impressed. I wonder how much fun Alaska could be, I hear it is a good place to get away.

It saddens me to see someone actually give up, when they have so much of their life ahead of them, especially when they could be sharing that with someone special.

A: I guess I just don't believe in fairy tales anymore. All that happily ever after jargon doesn't apply to the real world.

Maybe GameMaster would know about that one (being the guy with all the answers)?

A: I keep waiting for his secrets, but I think he might be making it up as he goes along. >;o) .......Z

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Originally posted by annie:
You've no idea how hard it can be to be a girl who doesn't want to lie and manipulate and control, to just try to be nice and understanding, because guys keep thinking you have a hidden agenda and nothing you do will convince them otherwise.

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Originally posted by Bregalad:
No harm was intended Annie, I was simply following snupy's lead on the matter. She was the one who said that everything a man says will be disected for content no matter how insignificant he thinks it might be. I elaborated on a stereotype and didn't expect it to be taken seriously.

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Actually, those were 2 separate theories. In my experience(and yes, I'm guiltier than anyone) words and actions will be disected because men don't typically know how to express their feelings, so they leave alot up for interpretation. A big part of that is simply the difference in verbal skills between the sexes-to a smaller extent, it has to do with my fascination with psychology and the idea that everything means something

The second point was, men seem to think of everything as relatively insignificant to a relationship, when in my view, anything that's important to the other person can't be treated as insignificant.It's like telling someone how to feel about something-it's not possible.

The blue fish flies at midnight while the pink fish teleports

Every now and then, in this little window of the forums by which I look in at relationships, amongst all the things I never wanted to read because they're too scary (of the future prospects lying in wait for me, to ensnare me), something refreshing and positive comes along - a little suggestion that dealing with girls won't be the horror my pessimistic mind makes out of the clues presented here (although it is more than just that). The only problem, I guess, is that while I might find someone who doesn't fit the ugly stereotypes I'm seeing, I don't think I fit any either, I'm probably more of the dissecting type myself, mainly as online communication with people I... like, leaves me to only wonder about their feelings. Not that it matters because there is not usually any justification for getting my hopes up.

Hrm... we'll see.

Oh, and Z... despite what you think, I don't believe that there is no hope for you. And even if you die, I believe that there is life after death, so from that perspective, everything will be OK in the end, no matter what :)

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Originally posted by Steen:
snupy: wrote
to a smaller extent, it has to do with my fascination with psychology and the idea that everything means something

The blue fish flies at midnight while the pink fish teleports

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Ok. Everything said or done within the context of a relationship without thinking,not to purposely mean nothing.Better??

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No, you don't need to qualify it. Everything does mean something. There's plenty of meaning in Steen's comment - it just may not have been what he intended. For example, he used the word teleport, which suggests, at least, that he's some sort of Trek geek. That's meaning, isn't it?

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Originally posted by spungo:
No, you don't need to qualify it. Everything does mean something. There's plenty of meaning in Steen's comment - it just may not have been what he intended. For example, he used the word teleport, which suggests, at least, that he's some sort of Trek geek. That's meaning, isn't it?

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Originally posted by Steen:
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Ok. Everything said or done within the context of a relationship without thinking,not to purposely mean nothing.Better??

A bit better, yes, but it would still be terribly easy for a bf to mess with you by randomly quoting from Jabberwocky

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Jaerwoky rules.... Althouh my memorized literature is Poe and our man the great bard. I do have a poem or two of Ginzburgs memorized, but only because of how conservitive the ideas are in them... I am prepared to defend that last statement aout Ginzburg's conservitism also...

People have a tendency to attack the effects of problems, and not the cause. The best place to deal with someone in a bad situation is to find out why they are there in the first place, and start by tackling it from that end, as opposed to slamming them for what they're doing (which they may well know is wrong) without regard to why they are. Throwing everyone in jail isn't the solution to crime - it might separate out criminals from society to protect society, but all the good in that person is being wasted - the talent (quite possibly latent if their life didn't enable it to be found) and so forth is not being put to use, and that person's life could be made so much better - they could be a contributing member of society rather than rotting in jail surrounded by other reprobates, who will be doing nothing for that person - probably doing them more harm if they had a harsh life and need some tenderness in it.

Sometimes, maybe even the causes (such as being in debt) or whatever were even beyond their control, so blaming them won't do any good, but rather societal reform is a more appropriate step.

I don't believe that anyone is 100% evil, nor that they without hope. Society is to blame for most offences, in the end - where you grow up, what your parents taught you, what role models you have (other bad children, unsavoury entertainment, and so on), your experiences in life (divorce of parents, poverty, and so on). I'm not sure where one would start to deal with rich people and greed, though, but good upbringing would be a good start.

If judgement on the universe is to be doled out by anyone human, it must be by someone reasonable, fair, open-minded, caring, as well as able to be strict and harsh when that is what it really takes to get through to someone. Someone who can deal with everyone individually, and in a way that restores their soul as well as protecting society.

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Originally posted by uilleann:
[b]GameMaster:
I hope I didn't come across as saying that I felt that what Zorro was doing was right - that was never my intention. What I was saying that maybe your passing of judgement was rather too harsh. I was also saying that the kinds of women who Zorro finds himself with now probably aren't the nice kind that one would want to see kept safe from harm, but a dirty, dubious bunch that probably have it coming.

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That's uncalled for, Uilleann-it's a nasty, sexist, judgemental assumption that you are not qualified to make. Defend Zorro and insult the girls?
Shocking, even for you.(not that Zorro needs defending-everyone, including myself, forgets that he's not as bad as he makes himself
out to be-most of it is for shock value and entertainment.)

...not that Zorro needs defending-everyone, including myself, forgets that he's not as bad as he makes himself... vs Defend Zorro and insult the girls?
Hrm... I think my point was based on an assumption that the girls Zorro is with are a very suspect lot indeed. But yes, you are indeed correct - I wasn't right to assume that all of them, if any of them, are as bad as I did assume. Maybe they're all in the same boat as each other. Heh, who's to even say that those women are even wrong in anything at all? I know Zorro is not happy with his status quo, but maybe they are, and in which case, can I really complain?

It wasn't a sexist remark at all, though - if Zorro was female, then I would have said the same about the men 'she' was around. Sexist, no; judgemental, yes.

Nasty? Not really - I don't feel any negative feelings towards them, I just thought that I've seen evidence of people notably worse than Zorro elsewhere, and assumed he was with that type - based on my personal dim views of those kinds of (and most kinds of) sexual practices. Actually - that is an interesting thought. Lack of evidence, in that, were I to get to know them, I might find that they, too, are alright really. I think the root of the problem is that I'm just cynical and the like - I just assume too much is bad. Whether that itself is a bad thing, I don't know :) Too much sex spam e-mails :]

My point earlier about dealing with each person individually is another one I've fallen short of here, though. Nothing like "hard" evidence to support me ;) *ouch*

nasty, sexist, judgemental assumption that you are not qualified to make
Remember what I said about who should be the one to dole out the judgement in life? I am, myself, it seems a prime example of why that job isn't something that should be taken lightly to say the least. I have, maybe, proven my own point in that respect. Quite who is qualified, is another matter.

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Originally posted by snupy:
>>the kinds of women who Zorro finds himself with now probably aren't the nice kind that one would want to see kept safe from harm, but a dirty, dubious bunch that probably have it coming.

No. That wasn't sexist at all to say that if they are "dirty" they shouldn't be kept safe from harm and they "have it coming"-..That's what men who beat the crap out of women say, if I'm not mistaken.

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Exactly snupy! That's the $%&@ed up attitude that leads to abuse.

As an extreme example... the RCMP is digging up two farms in this area looking for the bodies of roughly 50 women who have disappeared from the "mean streets" of this city in the past two decades. The man or men who killed them probably believed that they had it coming because of where they lived and how they behaved. Maybe the perpetrator(s) even believed they were helping clean up the world by getting rid of a bunch of drug addicts and hookers.

I don't know how we're going to rid the world of attitudes like that but it has to be done.

Something that none of you have picked up, it seems, on my real thoughts, or, rather, why I said what I did or even took sides. Partially, though, it took me some time to (re-)identify it myself. I'd say I'm partially wrong, but partially misunderstood. I'm certainly not in favour of anyone beating anyone up, far from it. As for a supposed bias against women, that is not the case, it just seems that way, given the situation.

Judgemental remarks: they don't bother Me, I make them too. when they are uninformed they can sound rather moronic, but only to those in the know. everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it is unpopular and clearly off the mark. we should be allowed to make asses of ourselves, it is one of the things that makes life more interesting.

Girls who "have it coming" : none of the girls I have beaten have ever "had it coming". in fact they requested the pleasure of being tied up and "disciplined". all of My encounters are purely consentual. I never force someone to do something they don't want to do unless they give Me previous permission to do so. I always use a "safe word" (a word that is used to cease all play should the sumbissive wish to end it) and always respect said word. Anyone who beats a girl because they "have it coming" is a truely abusive asshole who needs to spend the weekend with My friends so We may discipline them and hopefully correct their character flaw. either that or spend some time in jail with backdoor Bubba. I have zero tolerance for men who assault women. If she didn't verbally request a beating, then there is no reason for a man to abuse her in such a way. I suppose if she were beating the kids then maybe that would warrant a beating, but honestly, that is what we have police for. Don't ever assume that a woman who enjoys a good whipping, deserves a beating. Some people get their pain fix through peircings, some through tattooing, others from a good paddling.

Girls who are dirty and suspect: just because someone likes it kinky does not make them criminals. the only reason so many criminals seem to be kinky people is because it makes the news more spectacular if you can point out behaviour that is not considered the "norm". there are pleny of "normal" criminals and there are even more non-criminals who participate in kinky behaviour. Anyone who would assume a dirty girl is automacially a criminal is a bigot who feels they are better than others and probably afraid of dirty girls. Or maybe they are afraid people will find out they are attracted to the dirty girls, it's just hard to tell.

Girls I date: the girls I date seemed nice in the beginning. But as I have found with most of society, everyone has a character flaw that overshadows the niceness if you look close enough. Unless you are a saint, it is doubtful that you are completely nice. Wheather I am being dumped for a "better" guy, or just dumped because of their friend's opinion of Me, that doesn't automacially mean they weren't nice to some extent. Someone who is truly nice is a friend to everyone, good or bad. I have had the rare pleasure to befriend such people and have seen them give people a chance several times no matter how lousy that peron might have been. Compared to those great individuals, nobody I have ever dated could qualify as nice. Since we don't use saintly individuals as a benchmark, it is unfair to assume anyone is not nice without having met them personally or chatted with them to some extent.

Am I right: nobody is completely right, that is why we don't all make the same decisions. We are free to do as we please and if we do wrong there is always consequences for our actions. As long as Myself and My date have a good time, how could it be wrong. Neither of us have any regrets, and we both enjoyed ourselves thoroughly. It should't matter how one gets to ecstasy, as long as all involved are happy, it is always right. I love making people happy. I do occasionally go out of My way to make someone unhappy, and for that I am wrong. But all My pranks are harmless, I don't try to bring someone harm unless their actions dictate the need for harm. i haven't struck somene in anger for several years.

Sexual offers: Depending on My mood I will almost never refuse a sexual offer. There are some exceptions of course, underage is a mood killer, but most any girl who has reached leagal adulthood has a chance. Aggressive girls have it even easier, bossy girls have it difficult. As long as they can live with the fact that I will keep them at an emotional distance from Me, I'm really not that picky in the end.

Self esteem: despite the way it might seem, My self esteem is very high. the fact that I capatalize references to ME should be a good indicator. I may refer to Myself as a loser, but that only means I have been defeated. I'm really not completely hopeless, I just have really bad luck. Most of that is poor decision making. I can be very impulsive and that has gotten Me in touble many times over. I haven't give up hope, I've just learned to be cynical about the chances of success. It comes from the experience of failing over and over again. Even if I fail again tomorrow, the fact that I have failed shows that I have at least tried. A person who has never failed, usually hasn't attempted anything at all. My self esteem is soaring, it's My esteem for everyone else that really sucks.

How bad am I: I'm really not a terrible person, I'm just really experienced in life. I don't go around attacking anyone and provoking fights. So I enjoy whipping people, I only whip those who enjoy being whipped. I'm not the spawn of hell and I don't harm everything I see. I don't have a harem of demon girls, and I won't burn up in the sunlight. I just have different tastes, nothing more. Sure I may have a lot of spite for the world, but I don't go around taking it out on innocent bystanders. I've never participated in satanic rituals, and I have never committed a violent crime. I've only been in jail one night and all charges were dropped. That was almost 10 years ago, I don't know the police on a first name basis. I do often get pulled over but only because I look "suspicious". Most police officers are bigots anyway so I don't take offense as long as the keep the streets safe. Most of My badness is for show, I like to keep people at a distance and it helps to let them know that I am capable of being mean if I have to. Little animals and children rarely run away from Me in terror, if fact it is usually just the opposite. I might be abrasive on the surface, but on the inside even snuggle the bear has nothing on Me. fortunately, most people don't get close enough to look inside >;o)

People worse than Me: Where should I begin? There were people in in Spokane who had similar interests as Me except for one problem. They took things way too far. They kidnapped three little japanese girls from the local school for grils who wish to study abroad. they let one go but took the remaining two to their residence and did come very unspeakable acts. They did let them go afterward but the experience must have been terrible as all carpeting and even the sink was replaced before authorities were able to track down the assailants. There have been people who were not so fortunate. I can't even begin to relate all the stories of people who were found to have killed several people after long videotaped bouts of torture. There are many evil beings out there, I am not one of them. It is those bad seeds that have cast a dark shadow on people like Me, but it is unfair to blame the lifestyle for those people. Even normal society has it's share of evil beings, they just find it easier to blend in with people like Myself and when they kill us it is harder to notice that we have disappeared since people try not to notice us in the first place. I am a christian and believe in GOD, though My exact beliefs differ greatly from organized religion. Both of My parents and My younger brother are confirmed catholics. My eldest brother is so religious that he cancelled a subscription to a gaming mag when he found out that Larry Flynt was the publisher. My Other older brother is a christian of some sort and goes to churh reguarly. I'm not 100% sure about My sister. Compared to them I am rather a bad seed but they love Me just the same. But to compare Me to the endless list of violent criminals, con artists, and other people who have literally ruined the lives of others, all I can say is pass Me some of what you're smoking >;o) .

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Originally posted by ZorroTheFox:
Anyone who beats a girl because they "have it coming" is a truely abusive asshole who needs to spend the weekend with My friends so We may discipline them and hopefully correct their character flaw. either that or spend some time in jail with backdoor Bubba. I have zero tolerance for men who assault women.

Amen, I agree wholeheartedly...I'm going to digress rather than post what I was going too...

I love making people happy. I do occasionally go out of My way to make someone unhappy, and for that I am wrong. But all My pranks are harmless, I don't try to bring someone harm unless their actions dictate the need for harm.

Same here, I've only resorted to violence twice in my life, and I'm not proud of either(and was quite sore after one of them heh)

I might be abrasive on the surface, but on the inside even snuggle the bear has nothing on Me. fortunately, most people don't get close enough to look inside >;o)

aye, I get sick of people judging me for the way I appear to be on the outside sometimes, but I wouldn't have it any other way...like Z said, it keeps too many people from getting too close...I've made many good friends being the way I am, and all of them know what I'm really like, but the average person dosn't deserve to know me, IMHO

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I think what U was driving at, was the comment on your giving up on looking for love, which I elieve is just that... Giving up on looking, that doesn't mean he has given up on love, U. In anycase I drop the argument, not ecause I think I am wrong but becasue everyone has probably made up their own minds on Zorro's statement about "love" and "lust."

I'm rather evil meself (what with me thinking about becoming a Satanist, sacrifices, LOTS of demonic... things, etc.), and I'm also naughty - I just like it that way, 'can't put it any better. Others just aren't as wild as I am (and you, Z, and probably snupy too, heh).

Now about being bad: I'm really not THAT bad... more badness in a serious, maybe violent way other than in a sexual manner and the like... everyone get me? I COULD be at times, and if someone ticks me off enough I'd probably result to *ehem* some type of physical contact. Other than that, I'm not like any of those crazy sorority girls you see in porn videos and whatnot... I'm wild, not stupid and immature. I know what *that* type of badness can get you into... I've somewhat experienced it (didn't ask for it, though, they did it on their own) and am not happy with the way it makes me feel. To my opinion, if you (for ex.) flash a rather large bunch of guys and maybe even let them touch you, they could get the wrong idea. We're (as in women) just thinking about bein' crazy for that bit of time and 'having fun'. Guys, on the other hand, get the wrong impression of you... they immediately think that you're like that all the time and would 'know a thing or two'. So it might seem like they're taking it to an extreme, but really... it's both the women's and men's fault - men's for the obvious reason, women's for not realize what they were getting themselves into in the first place.

Bad to being evil: I dunno how truly evil YOU are, Frankie boy, but I surely believe I am. I don't care if anyone says I need to 'see someone about that' because I'm not going to... I was born this way, and I happen to like it VERY much. I enjoy my anger and the (short) temper that fortunately comes with it. If someone gets in my way and persists, they're most likely to regret it. If they were seriousely fighting me and wouldn't quit, I'd have to result to 'mild cannabalsim'... hey, I'm going to [i]save meself[i/] here, I don't give a sh!t about what happens to them. I also often think about drinking blood... it tastes good to me and I'd definitely go for it if someone allowed me to suck 'em, haha. The only problem in that I can't find anyone who would - well, maybe ONE person, but still. He's the only one who's ever been able to break through to the softer version of me, and I love him for it!

<<< Oh, and another thing: I'd never think about commiting suicide. People who do that have ZERO self-control and can't believe that they actually matter, that others DO care, and that life is such a precious thing... truthfully. For all we know, we only get one life here on Earth, and we might as well cherish it for everything it is and everything it's given us. >>>

A bit more on the naughty part: when I DO have sex, I'd like it to hurt, sting a bit, and torture them and possibly me if they like ( I like a man who takes the initiative so I dun *always* have to do it for meself). I have a thing for handcuffs... I know it's probably typical, but it's my thing, heeh. The only thing I absolutely would not do is having to do with SCAT. I've seen pictures, and it's quite digusting... a bit nausiating (sp?). I like biting and being bitten... everywhere . As you've said, Zorro, I do have an 'oral fixation', so I'm into using "foods" (more condiments though) such as jam, whipped cream, pumpkin pie, cherries, pixie stix, caramel (mmmmm!! That would taste good on someone FOR SURE), chocolate syrup, and MAYBE bananas and cucumbers- still thinkin' about it, hehehe. Not anything salty though, I just have that sweet AND sour tooth .

I hope you all understand how complicated I am . Just another chapter of my biography for y'all to contemplate. I bet you're kinda confused about figuring me out now, eh Z?

Yes, I know I have a compulsion to correct spelling even when I'm quoting someone. Sorry. Is there a group for that?

thiz past is too make snuppy crack... Lick whin you brek a campolsives' routein... I beet sh's devilopping a nervis twitch jast reding it.

Pleze not thiz paost is a Troll, and intended to bother people as oessesd as GreyKat, Snoopy and the lick. NE1 who haz gots a prolem wif dat kin take mine claz in 7331, and become a 'leit haxzor...

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Alright, back to the original topic of this thread... I think that schedualling time to just talk would have profound effects also... This is different than just your dates, because most dates have some form of entertianment that becomes almost more important than the fact it is a date. Even dinner dates aren't good for conversation because they are often intrupted by the wait-staff and by (of course) the eatting of the food.

The other thing that comes to mind is that working together to over come of finnish a project is great bonding expeirence. Anything from working on a puzzle, to builind a robot, to skydiving will act to jump start the parts of a relationship that seem to have driffted apart.

I'm not saying that physical closeness isn't important and shouldn't e schedualed, it's just that in most relationships comunication fails before libeto(sp?). Another thing that is often over looked is communication in bed (or so I hear), and the fact that people think that if they talk about what they are doing it spoils it... But, it stands to reason, that if you fail to exspress your ideas you won't get treated the way like in bed.

Y'all who are currently getting some, or havegotten exsessive amounts in your lives care to comment?

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Originally posted by Bregalad:
No harm was intended Annie, I was simply following snupy's lead on the matter. She was the one who said that everything a man says will be disected for content no matter how insignificant he thinks it might be. I elaborated on a stereotype and didn't expect it to be taken seriously.

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My mistake.

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Originally posted by annie:
My mistake.

snupy don't say things like that - women already have a bad reputation as it is.

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Sorry. Since there are so many geek guys here who seem to have trouble with women, I thought I'd throw them a bone.
Besides, I was being honest about myself and a lot of my girlfriends.
I figured I brag enough here-I might as well expose one of my few flaws as well.

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mild cannibalism?? Is that something like a little bit pregnant?

Yes, I know I have a compulsion to correct spelling even when I'm quoting someone. Sorry. Is there a group for that?

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Ahahah... funny. But by 'mild cannibalism' I meant that I'd have to bite the person and maybe rip of their skin, but not eat it.

Clearer?

Compliments of the food.

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Originally posted by uilleann:
Well, next time skylar isn't around and I feel the need to scream in pain so loud it can reach Yorkshire, and I die as a result, I'll have my will say that I hereby donate my body to you. If you and you-know-who ever decide on a romantic meal together, you can defrost a leg of uilleann (should that be a pipe of uilleann?) and have a most enjoyable snack.

Compliments of the food.

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And what WERE ya gonna say, Scotters?

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Originally posted by Twinkle Toes:
Oki, that was really very funny, but I'm not in any way a cannibal or WANT to be. I just like biting... is that so wrong??

And what WERE ya gonna say, Scotters?

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No, that's not so wrong (just saying it cause, well you know why )...and as for what I was going to say...wellsies, *you* of all people already KNOW that, haha