The other thing that we need to look at is that sensual love need not be sex... In a lot of cases the same closeness can be acheived by sharing a senual moment that doesn't end with big bang from either partner. There is something to be said for curling up together and reading (Neitzche perhaps?), listening to music or just talking... I would have said watchinga movie, but with movies, the movie takes away from the interaction (The main reason why Movies aren't the best first dates (bad movie most likely mean bad date... as she didn't get to see any side of you other than your choice of moies)).

Another thing to remember is there is a diffrence between having sex and making love, and the value of both of them is different. Making love seems will always help unify two people, and having sex will always serve as a realse of tension. The trick seems to be, to find someone where every time you do both (have sex and make love).

So says I.

Quoting GameMaster:
Sex, or rather touch of any kind between... [does] tend produce an "addiction" in your mate.
Interesting... Actually, with lili I don't think I had need of said chemical exchange, although it might have done something for her, had that ever been called for. I think the primary problem was more like the fact that we could never spend any real time together, where we would not be so dependent on communication.

...sensual love need not be sex... In a lot of cases the same closeness can be acheived by [for example] curling up together and reading ..., listening to music or just talking...
Hrm... I tend to feel a strong need to act on any of my feelings, and cuddles, despite being the thing I probably want most of all, still seem too passive and might not be adequate. Yet, maybe the closeness levels are comparable, I don't know. Certainly can think of nothing bad to say about cuddles, though... =) Me want...

The main reason why Movies aren't the best first dates...
Dating... arg. I don't want to go on dates, well, not at first anyhow. Maybe once I've got to know someone it might be nice, but until then, I'd probably prefer just to spend time with them at university, and at each others' houses/flats, and just do things together, hobby-wise.

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Originally posted by Xanthine:
Yep. Great for letting out aggression, great aerobic workout, but really not much for picking up men (they seem to scare very easily...).

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I know what you mean..just mention handcuffs and they run home to mommy.

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Originally posted by snupy:
I know what you mean..just mention handcuffs and they run home to mommy.

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Hey!! Handcuffs, I can deal with... it's the cattle-prod that gets me in a sweat!

>>The scientists suspect semen will have the same effect on women regardless of how they are exposed to it.

Great-now guys have a new line to use-"C'mon, baby, my semen will make you feel reaaal good-it's a scientific fact." You know some female scientist is probably working on a "semen" pill just so they can't.

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Hey!! Handcuffs, I can deal with... it's the cattle-prod that gets me in a sweat!

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Oh, good-I'll add that to my shopping list... And it was a riding crop, don't you remember??

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>>The scientists suspect semen will have the same effect on women regardless of how they are exposed to it.

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Hey - I'm a scientist! Damn! If only I'd got myself on that program.

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Hey - I'm a scientist! Damn! If only I'd got myself on that program.

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Uhh..I don't think the scientists actually got to participate, spungo.
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yeah, spungo! You're a Highlie now, too. If you catch up to me, I'll have to kneel at your feet, I guess.

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Oooh... I like the sound of that!

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Oooh... I like the sound of that!

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Thought you would. And theoretically, it should put me in a good mood, too.....

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I know what you mean..just mention handcuffs and they run home to mommy.

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Just seeing me in a gi seems to be enough for most. I don't even get to the discussion stage. Odd thing is I don't look particularily threatening in the thing (imagine Luke Skywalkers costume as a farm boy on Tatooine, now make it a bit baggier with a cloth purple belt tied in the front).

Semen pills...I'll sign up for the Phase I trials. Okay this is going way downhill...

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Yep. Great for letting out aggression, great aerobic workout, but really not much for picking up men (they seem to scare very easily...).

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Semen pills...I'll sign up for the Phase I trials. Okay this is going way downhill...

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Are you volunteering to take a bunch of pills or would you rather be part of the comparison group getting the real stuff

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The sad part is, you know when the pharmaceutical companies see that study, they're going to find a way to synthetically produce whatever it is in semen that causes the mood elevation and make millions doing it.(Look out, Prozac). Wow, this is the most i've ever used the word 'semen'

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The sad part is, you know when the pharmaceutical companies see that study, they're going to find a way to synthetically produce whatever it is in semen that causes the mood elevation and make millions doing it.(Look out, Prozac).

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Originally posted by ZorroTheFox:
I can't believe people actualy have to try to seperate lust from love. they are two seperate emotions completely. I think the biggest problem is people often confuse lust with love (mostly women, so guys don't get trapped into a relationship you don't want simply because your playmate tries to convince you that you are "making love"). I have never mixed up lust with love and I hope I never do. I only say "I love you" to someone I want to have sex with because I know she will fall for it and put out like a vending machine............Z

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You will pay for that one, Z...somehow, when you least expect it, I will pounce, and it won't be pretty. Either that, or I'll compile all of your "sensitive" posts and list them over and over again.

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But what will they call it? Ecstasy is already taken.

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Funny. Very funny. Only a man would think of naming it that. They could market it with the slogan "At least you won't gag on this."

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...or, if it's a woman marketing it, "Men-who needs 'em when you can just take this pill?"

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I can only assume that it's because it's hard to have a relationship with an inanimate object.

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With all the complaints I see here about guys not having a clue and all the "man substitute" products available on the market it's quite amazing how many women keep falling for the real thing. There must be something about us that keeps you coming back for more

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Yes, I'll admit, you're right. I love men.I couldn't live without them. The only down side is that they don't understand how our minds work. At all.Like the way every single thing you say will be disected into tiny pieces, and how everything matters, regardless of how insignificant you think it is. The up side, though, is the feeling you get when someone you adore kisses you, touches your face,
or whispers in your ear...**sigh**

NOTE TO SPUNGO-DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER Oh, yeah, like that's gonna work. Oh, well-just remember, I didn't mean to foolishly dangle the word "pounce" in front of Zorro.

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Yes, I'll admit, you're right. I love men.I couldn't live without them. The only down side is that they don't understand how our minds work. At all.Like the way every single thing you say will be disected into tiny pieces, and how everything matters, regardless of how insignificant you think it is. The up side, though, is the feeling you get when someone you adore kisses you, touches your face,
or whispers in your ear...**sigh**

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Haven't you got that backwards? I know men don't understand how women's brains work, but we're not the ones disecting every phrase looking for hidden meaning.

Get a group of women together and watch the analysis take place.

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You will pay for that one, Z...somehow, when you least expect it, I will pounce, and it won't be pretty. Either that, or I'll compile all of your "sensitive" posts and list them over and over again.

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hmmmmm, perhaps you could pounce then recite all the sensitive posts while I was subdued >;o) ..........Z

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Haven't you got that backwards? I know men don't understand how women's brains work, but we're not the ones disecting every phrase looking for hidden meaning.

I was talking about women, actually. Sorry, guess I didn't phrase it well enough.

Get a group of women together and watch the analysis take place.

Yes, I'll admit-it's true. We'll spend hours analyzing every thing you've ever said. Then we try to console each other by saying that, after all, you're only men, and you're doing the best you can with the limited verbal and emotional skills that were divided amongst you.

Get a group of men together and watch any question about relationships end quickly with a collective shrug of the shoulders, the ordering of more beer and a change of the subject to something interesting like sports or computers.

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I hear you have stun guns you use on each other when someone dares to use the "R" word.

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Zorro.... I would say I expected more from you ....But I didn't.
*sigh* Men are pigs, and Zorro is the king of the pen.

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hmmmmm, perhaps you could pounce then recite all the sensitive posts while I was subdued >;o) ..........Z

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...or, if it's a woman marketing it, "Men-who needs 'em when you can just take this pill?"

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Why have it in pill form when you can have it in ice cream form?

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Zorro.... I would say I expected more from you ....But I didn't.
*sigh* Men are pigs, and Zorro is the king of the pen.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by GameMaster:
[b]Zorro.... I would say I expected more from you ....But I didn't.
*sigh* Men are pigs, and Zorro is the king of the pen.

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You couldn't handle me, Z.

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ooooo, be careful little girl or I might have to take you over My knee and give you some discipline >;o) .........Z

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ooooo, be careful little girl or I might have to take you over My knee and give you some discipline >;o) .........Z

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Neo, I don't think all men are pigs, I just think too many girls get sukered by people who use the same type of ploy that Zorro mentioned. I know there are plenty of good guys out there, the prolem is that most girls don't go looking for good guys until they have been through the ringer with the "bad boys"... I've been very luck in that regard, and thank the hevans for souls that have passed through my life.

Zorro, King of pigs was meant as an insult... I suppose I should point out that method of "'love' them and and leave them" seems to leave you wanting and missing a large part of life and your self. Perhaps learning to LOVE rather than just LUSTing, would do you well. Personally, love denied would e an all too just karmatic payback... *sigh* if only I were the one who the universe let dole out reward and punishment.

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Now, I'm not condoning what he does, but I'm just saying that sometimes, the last thing people need is to be attacked - it just adds insult to injury. He also said, "but hey, your still young. Make sure all your decisions are well thought out and maybe you will find a better path to tread upon." I find that the sad part - maybe if he were 50, 60, 70, I'd agree, but come now, Z, why've you given up all hope? Is there really no-one worthwhile in Milton? Maybe you should move, get out of Milton, maybe even Washington too, and go someplace else, someplace new, where you can put the past behind you, and start afresh.

It saddens me to see someone actually give up, when they have so much of their life ahead of them, especially when they could be sharing that with someone special. I'm not as old as you, Z, granted, but I still hope; I'm only 21 and thus am not dead yet. Granted, you've tried and failed whereas I've not really even tried (which is a complex matter all to itself) but you can't quit already. You've seen, here, what nice people there are out there, proof that you don't have to give up. The only issue, I see, really, is that to carry on again where you left off, you'd need to regain that youthful passion, and if life took that from you, I don't know where to get that back. Maybe GameMaster would know about that one (being the guy with all the answers)?

Oh, and GameMaster: Now, I don't mean this to sound offensive to Zorro, but maybe only a certain kind of girl actually gets involved with Zorro, and they might have a certain expectation of what it is about, or otherwise, they just plain deserve what they get.