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erp
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posted March 19, 2002 11:24     Click Here to See the Profile for erp   Click Here to Email erp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
designed a secret love-nest website? written a perl script? set-up a streaming video server?

sound off with your geekiest !

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posted March 19, 2002 14:20     Click Here to See the Profile for dajt   Click Here to Email dajt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I set up a bird-feeder webcam for her 'cuz she said she always wanted one. Of course now she stays at home and can see the bird feeder out the window (when she's not chasing the Short People), while I have to checki on it via the web.
Sigh. I wish Tech Writing paid better than programming, so I could stay at home while she worked. . .

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macadddikt18
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posted March 19, 2002 21:11     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mine is lame, I fixed her computer so she could play those stupid mindless solitaire games from microsoft.
Nayt

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posted March 20, 2002 01:17     Click Here to See the Profile for plastic   Click Here to Email plastic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I learned how to Roleplay, and I mean out side of the bedroom of course. :P

Get your minds out of the gutters

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LifetimeTrekker
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posted March 20, 2002 05:17     Click Here to See the Profile for LifetimeTrekker   Click Here to Email LifetimeTrekker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I replaced her old 286 with my old Celeron 500 and have given her free tech support visits at any time.

I'm still a sucker for those beautiful blue eyes.

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GameMaster
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posted March 20, 2002 05:19     Click Here to See the Profile for GameMaster   Click Here to Email GameMaster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Composed a classical piece and my synth perform it for her. I know, that isn't as computer geek as it is music-geek, but I can't help it if I am multi-geek-inclined.

Geek of trades, Jock and Master of none. :P


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posted March 20, 2002 05:25     Click Here to See the Profile for spungo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I became a vegetarian for two years just to pull a particular girl. It worked. I actually didn't mind it too much. But as soon as the whole thing ended I went a bit kebab crazy for week or so.

Sorry, I know that's not geeky - but what the hell!

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mephisto
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posted March 20, 2002 08:39     Click Here to See the Profile for mephisto   Click Here to Email mephisto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wrote this program that actually modelled the stresses and strains in a bridge and the changes therein with motion for my project. It was that great. crappy graphics(8-bit) and a little primitive in some ways. but then a girl asked me if she could use it for her project and i rewrote it completely. Damn, the second time it had 16 bit graphics and everything. It looked so much nicer. Was i fishing for a date? Yes. and I got it. mucho disappointing to say the least,turned me off blondes and non-geekettes forever. *sigh. but it still counted as a pretty geeky thing to do.

The geekiest thing I've done for anyone is make a extremely beautiful painstakingly rendered UT model for my wife. it was made in her exact image. there were a bunch of them. oh and there is the poem i wrote dedicated to her that is actually being published.

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spungo
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posted March 20, 2002 08:44     Click Here to See the Profile for spungo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, welcome back mephisto! Glad you ain't gone for good.

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weirdo513
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posted March 20, 2002 12:08     Click Here to See the Profile for weirdo513   Click Here to Email weirdo513     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Set up Simms on my computer an relinquished control of my computer to her so she could game all weekend...

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Parity
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posted March 20, 2002 12:26     Click Here to See the Profile for Parity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Java animation applet of fireworks that exploded and the settling sparkles made the shape of a heart... how's that?

Parity Even

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mephisto
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posted March 20, 2002 15:14     Click Here to See the Profile for mephisto   Click Here to Email mephisto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Parity:
Java animation applet of fireworks that exploded and the settling sparkles made the shape of a heart... how's that?

Parity Even


Now that is something. I don't do well with java graphics though. I much rather prefer the opengl and the D3D libraries. More Opengl than D3D. That way your animation or movie or whatever can be ported a little more easily.

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The Pope of Perl
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posted March 20, 2002 15:33     Click Here to See the Profile for The Pope of Perl   Click Here to Email The Pope of Perl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I manipulated several national governments to declare war on each other using biological weapons. Then I convinced a farmer that a certain patch of land was perfect cow country, despite the fact that, a week later, it was virus-bombed from a squadron of planes. Next, I paid off several food inspectors to pass these cows as edible. When the beef finally shipped to a local store, I hacked her computer and sent a subliminal message to the screen once every 60 frames, suggesting that she have some hamburgers. From there, she asked her mom to buy some beef from said local store. The next day, her family had the burgers, and the rest is history.

Wait, did you say "for a guy or girl"? Oops.

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nitrogaine
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posted March 21, 2002 10:16     Click Here to See the Profile for nitrogaine   Click Here to Email nitrogaine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably the geekiest love thing I ever did was write a SNOBOL program to generate erotic love poetry. Rather personal erotic love poetry. Unfortunately this was back in the days of batch processing and after I stuck the cards in the reader I ran to take a leak. The printouts arrived in the hopper before I got back (why were those old machines so fast when you didn't care?). A friend picked `em up as a favor and decided to see what I was up to. By the time I got back he was holding a public reading to all assembled. Luckily this was around 3 AM so there only some 25 people or so there. I entered the room to applause and laughter.

Sigh.

Well, at least my lover appreciated the poems enough to marry me...

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Parity
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posted March 21, 2002 10:37     Click Here to See the Profile for Parity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mephisto:
Now that is something. I don't do well with java graphics though. I much rather prefer the opengl and the D3D libraries. More Opengl than D3D. That way your animation or movie or whatever can be ported a little more easily.

At the time, this was not an option... imagine running an early beta of mesa on a 386/20... I -think- at this time I had svga Xwindows (at the time, 3d acceleration was not yet a concept, though, and bus choices were ISA and VESA. I had ISA.) but it might still have been Hercules MGA... besides, applets have the vast advantage
of running from any web-browser... err, theoretically, anyway, but anyway, the
animation was on a web-page with the valentine's day text.

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Parity
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posted March 21, 2002 10:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Parity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nitrogaine:
... was write a SNOBOL program ...


We have somebody here who actually codes in SNOBOL? I was starting to think the language was a myth!

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RyMan
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posted March 21, 2002 14:08     Click Here to See the Profile for RyMan   Click Here to Email RyMan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the first really geeky thing I did for a girl was write a program that stripped all the junk html tags from files so that only the plain text and formatting was left (no pics or anything), because she needed the files like this to do a research project for her professor.
BUT, the geekiest thing I ever did for a girl was buy her an iBook :-)

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dragonman97
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posted March 21, 2002 14:19     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonman97   Click Here to Email dragonman97     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally reloaded a girl's laptop for her after Windows got fouled up, and my tech support call to her caused it to work a bit less. I spent most of my weekend on it, and I've made an image of the cleaned up computer to my hard drive. I intend to eventually make a recovery disc out of this for her, using LNX-BBC. Unfortunately, I got nothing out of this, except for a small thank you (verbal, not written). Though she seemed to almost be throwing herself over me while I tried to fix it, that was gone once the machine worked. It reminds me of Swordfish, when Stanley is being greatly distracted whilst hacking. I mean any other time, I'd be happy beyond my wildest dreams, but when I'm trying to do serious work, I need to concentrate - not have her reach all the way over me to get into her desk drawer (in a really tight shirt, damn, and partly get dressed, etc, while I'm trying desperately to make her machine work. To make things worse, some of her roommates smoke, which did not make me happy, and the place smelled of perfume, so when I left, it smelled like I'd been to a house of ill repute.

Man, she and some of her roommates are so hot. Whoops, did I say that out loud ? I just wish they didn't smoke and get quite drunk. And that she'd fall over me after I fixed her computer. Oh well. At least I used Linux to save the day. I've got to find a geekette.

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bucketofsquids
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posted March 21, 2002 17:33     Click Here to See the Profile for bucketofsquids     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i wrote my last girlfriend a song.....wasn't one of my best, but she loved it.

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I built a little app in Director with a flirtatious pic of myself and I think some text animation. It had to be little since I fit it on a floppy (this was back when blank CDs were expensive and CD-R drives still uncommon). I labeled the disk "Valentine v.1.0" and gave it to my boyfriend on V-Day. Said boyfriend is now my husband and yes, he is a geek too.

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posted March 23, 2002 00:00     Click Here to See the Profile for breakforpenguins   Click Here to Email breakforpenguins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bought her some X-Files game that she had mentioned once (she was obcessed with the X-Files). I didn't know it would be a big deal but apparently it was. So when she got back from Greece several months later we sort of went out and she dumped me like a sack of medical waste in about a week and picked up somebody brand new.

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EngrBohn
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posted March 23, 2002 03:59     Click Here to See the Profile for EngrBohn   Click Here to Email EngrBohn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure what the geekiest thing was, but I can point to the first and the most recent and the one that could be classified as general geekiness (rather than, say, computer geekiness).

The first. Eight grade, I used a computer to forge the report card for a girl I had a crush on. It was 1983, the first year the school was using computerized report cards. None of the fancy stuff you see today. The "form" itself was printed on a dot-matrix printer at the same time as the grades. All characters were the basic 5x7-dot fixed format (the printer probably could accomodate 5x11-dot to permit nice-looking lower-case letters with tails, but the report card was in all caps). Two report cards per 8.5x11" sheet (top half, bottom half), then manually sickle-cut and sorted. I regretted it almost immediately, but you do foolish things when trying to win a girl's heart. I also got my own private chuckle out of it -- I got a reputation of being a "computer genius" from that (this was before l33t), and while I wouldn't have disagreed with the assessment, the cause for the assessment was what gave me the laugh. I used a text editor (although at the time, we called it a word processor) to do the forgery. NOT a lot of thinking involved, just a lot of counting dashes.

The general-geekiness incident was proposing marriage over a pile of unfolded laundry (described here (fifth post) ).

The most recent was just the other night. I morphed a photo from our wedding (Jan 94) to a photo from a formal dinner a couple weeks ago. 425KB animated gif. Shrank it down, and here's the smaller (152KB) version:

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GameMaster
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posted March 26, 2002 05:45     Click Here to See the Profile for GameMaster   Click Here to Email GameMaster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just remembered something else that I did that was really geeky... A cyber date, no not cyber sex. We had a picnic under the stars, and went for a walk in the woods without leaving our computers. The benifit of course being the ability to blame running out of things to say on LAG (j/k).

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posted March 26, 2002 06:53     Click Here to See the Profile for snupy   Click Here to Email snupy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Parity:
Java animation applet of fireworks that exploded and the settling sparkles made the shape of a heart... how's that?

Parity Even


I think we have a winner.

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posted March 26, 2002 08:02     Click Here to See the Profile for mephisto   Click Here to Email mephisto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Parity:
At the time, this was not an option... imagine running an early beta of mesa on a 386/20... I -think- at this time I had svga Xwindows (at the time, 3d acceleration was not yet a concept, though, and bus choices were ISA and VESA. I had ISA.) but it might still have been Hercules MGA... besides, applets have the vast advantage
of running from any web-browser... err, theoretically, anyway, but anyway, the
animation was on a web-page with the valentine's day text.

Parity Odd


ahh, the good old days hmmm. things were easier back then weren't they. *sigh. I want them back. really i do. i would give up my dualie with geforce 2 to get back to a time when i booted of floppies. *sigh. there was a time when the 1.44 mb floppy was enough.

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posted March 26, 2002 20:12     Click Here to See the Profile for supaboy   Click Here to Email supaboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I once helped a friend use an Internet white-pages directory to get the address of a girl he'd just met. He sent flowers to her, which *really* surprised her, seeing as how she hadn't given him her address yet. She was splitting time between two cities, so we got the remote address. They ended up in a "starter marriage" together.

I once helped a girl install a printer driver. Her home Internet access was provided by her work, and their firewall prevented FTP access. I went over to her house and telnetted back into my cable-modem-connected Linux box. Then I used a command-line FTP client to grab the file from the remote server. I made the driver file available through my computer's HTTP server, and transferred it to her computer with her web browser.

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posted March 27, 2002 07:09     Click Here to See the Profile for CrawGator   Click Here to Email CrawGator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would have to say the geekiest thing I ever did for my wife was on Valentine's Day. I made a web page just for her with roses and hearts with the quote from Proverbs about a virtuous woman.

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posted March 27, 2002 14:13     Click Here to See the Profile for bucketofsquids     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh wait, i've done something geekier.....one time i set up a printer and installed the software for an old girlfriend. not terribly difficult, but she definitely wasn't a geek.

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Charisma
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posted March 27, 2002 16:14     Click Here to See the Profile for Charisma   Click Here to Email Charisma     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, with me it's all like:

Them: Will you fix my computer?
Me: Sure!

(time passes)

Me: Good as new!
Them: Thanks! I'm so glad we can be friends!
Me: damnit!
Them: What, I didn't hear you..
Me: I said glad to help!

Besides that, every geek girl I know is, well, um... not physicly inclined. Where are the good looking geek girls? Anyone know? (please don't tell me they're working for Microsoft...)

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Swiss Mercenary
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posted March 28, 2002 09:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Swiss Mercenary   Click Here to Email Swiss Mercenary     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Where are the good looking geek girls? Anyone know? (please don't tell me they're working for Microsoft...)[/B]
Nope, they are married or engaged. Single, good looking, geek girls get snapped up the moment they are free.

Trouble is that all those jocks out there know a good thing when they see one and we geeks are just to darn shy to ask them out.

C'est la vie

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posted March 28, 2002 12:25     Click Here to See the Profile for annie   Click Here to Email annie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Charisma:

Besides that, every geek girl I know is, well, um... not physicly inclined. Where are the good looking geek girls? Anyone know? (please don't tell me they're working for Microsoft...)


I'm assuming that what you mean by "physically inclined" is actually "physically attractive".
Personally I don't know many "physically attractive" geek guys. The only good looking geek I ever met I'm married to. So I guess maybe what Swiss said is true for all good looking geeks.

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TheAnnoyedCockroach
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posted March 28, 2002 22:28     Click Here to See the Profile for TheAnnoyedCockroach   Click Here to Email TheAnnoyedCockroach     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have done....

Huh, isn't that funny? I've not done a blinkin' thing! Can't ever remember finding a girl that was worth it.

Well, I did teach the one chemistry... But that was just because she's my friend.

Huh... Guess I've done nothing.

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macadddikt18
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roach, you are playing it safe like me. Better to not get involved with that stuff. who knows what it will do to you. Well look around, thats what it does, i think.
Nayt

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posted March 29, 2002 15:46     Click Here to See the Profile for pect   Click Here to Email pect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geekiest thing... *thinking* It was probably back in July - Sep last yr when I was writing a program (a game based on the TV show Wheel of Fortune) for an assignment. I gave this guy (a friend btw) a fair bit of my "foundation" code and ideas, worked on his interface design with him, traded ideas, and we also ended up debugging each other's code. During that time he kept telling me how my ideas were "weird", but they did work. Anyway the whole process was pretty fun and I enjoyed it.

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posted March 29, 2002 17:43     Click Here to See the Profile for snupy   Click Here to Email snupy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Charisma:
Yeah, with me it's all like:

[b]Them: Will you fix my computer?
Me: Sure!

(time passes)

Me: Good as new!
Them: Thanks! I'm so glad we can be friends!
Me: damnit!
Them: What, I didn't hear you..
Me: I said glad to help!

Besides that, every geek girl I know is, well, um... not physicly inclined. Where are the good looking geek girls? Anyone know? (please don't tell me they're working for Microsoft...)

[/B]


Mybe you should look below the surface...

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posted March 30, 2002 06:38     Click Here to See the Profile for Geordie   Click Here to Email Geordie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably the geekiest thing I have ever done for a woman was playing an online roleplaying game just so we could spend more time together. Unfortuantely when she reached 40th level or so and I was still only at 10th I had to give up and just spend time with her when I could pry her away from the keyboard. What makes this geeky is we were living together at the time.

I did my share of geeky computer created valentine cards in the 80's too.

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posted March 30, 2002 07:27     Click Here to See the Profile for mephisto   Click Here to Email mephisto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Charisma:

Besides that, every geek girl I know is, well, um... not physicly inclined. Where are the good looking geek girls? Anyone know? (please don't tell me they're working for Microsoft...)


and you're? Damn geeks, got the body of a noodle and want the good looking girls. You guys gotta grow up, suck it in(literally) and accept that you won't get the pretty chicks cause you're not good looking or got get your ass in the gym, and get in shape at which point you will find good looking girls.
i remember being skinny(when i was 12) but I've been working out so long and keeping in shape that i'm no longer skinny or unatractive but i remember when i was skinny i was realistic about who i could get in my life and who i couldn't.
the point is you can't look like einstein and look for a naomi campbell look alike. now if you look like arnold, then maybe yes.

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macadddikt18
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posted March 30, 2002 10:57     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess you can go to one of 3 places.
1.) an apple store, sometimes you find them there.
2.) if you like any type of geek, and engineering school at your local college. try the computer engineering dept or floor.
3.) teh graphic deign dept at your local college. i often run into some web geeks there you are big Mac users. Remember the mac is big in the Publishing industry.
Nayt

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posted March 30, 2002 13:52     Click Here to See the Profile for EngrBohn   Click Here to Email EngrBohn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
- Charisma -

Them: Will you fix my computer?
Me: Sure!

(time passes)

Me: Good as new!
Them: Thanks! I'm so glad we can be friends!

Obviously, they didn't realize they'd stumbled across the lure for Nerds of Prey.

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posted March 31, 2002 16:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Geordie   Click Here to Email Geordie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mephisto:
Damn geeks, got the body of a noodle and want the good looking girls. You guys gotta grow up, suck it in(literally) and accept that you won't get the pretty chicks cause you're not good looking or got get your ass in the gym, and get in shape at which point you will find good looking girls.

I workout and I don't think I am too ugly, but that does not change the fact that I do not encounter very many single attractive geek girls. There are many cultural reasons why there are not very many geek girls to start with relative to geek guys. I have to agree with swiss on this, the geek gals that are also attractive get snapped up pretty quickly.

(Disclaimer there are reasons that I am a lonely geek; however it is not because I require that any woman I would be interested in be more physically attractive than I am)

ObOnTopic: Using cron to send out pre-written love notes to an SO, because we usually e-mailed every day and I had to visit my family for a few days where I did not have any e-mail access.

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