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Nitrozac
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posted April 01, 2002 10:06     Click Here to See the Profile for Nitrozac   Click Here to Email Nitrozac     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure you all can relate to the neck and shoulder pain of the constant computer usage. For a while the chiropractor helped, but, I don't know, sometimes he'd do the jedi mind trick "you're feeling better. You will tell your family to come here." So I stopped going a few months ago.

Lately, I've had neck and shoulder pains chronically, so I decided to try something else. I started taking physiotherapy last week! My first session was like a spa treatment! They make you relax on heated pads for 15 minutes, then you get a neck and shoulder massage. Ahhhh. The second session, they showed my how to do core strengthening exercises that will improve my posture at the computer (plus heat and massage - ahhhh). They also showed me how to do some shoulder stretches. Today is going to be my third session! So far, this has improved my neck pains a lot more than spinal adjustments! I highly recommend physio for all the neck pain sufferers out there!

Third treatment today! yay!

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annie
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posted April 01, 2002 11:16     Click Here to See the Profile for annie   Click Here to Email annie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mom did this whole physiotherapy thing about a year ago, and since then she hasn't complained about neck and shoulder pain. It especially helps if you keep up with the exercises.
It's a great idea, and it's a way more permanent solution than going to a chiropractor all the time.

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ZorroTheFox
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posted April 01, 2002 15:00     Click Here to See the Profile for ZorroTheFox   Click Here to Email ZorroTheFox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps if they had a recliner based iMac all problems would be solved. I have already seen recliners with cup holder, coolers, storage comaprtments, heaters, rollers, messagers, and other nice goodies. I think it is time for the computer to be integrated so we may surf in comfort.....Z

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Super Flippy
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posted April 01, 2002 16:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Super Flippy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ZorroTheFox:
Perhaps if they had a recliner based iMac all problems would be solved.

Well, it actually runs Microsoft WebTV, but the La-Z-Boy Explorer fits the bill in all other respects. Or you could just get yourself an iBook, an AirPort, and a comfy chair. When I was working from home, sometimes I would sit sideways in our overstuffed chair with my ThinkPad on my lap. It was a nice break from sitting at the desk. If I ever work from home full time again, I'm getting a laptop.

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macadddikt18
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posted April 01, 2002 18:08     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally understand your neck problems. I have some that get really bad from the large amount of cycling i do. I find that a good massage normally helps also. I have also been trying to work out my shoulders and neck muscles to make them a bit stronger. Althought, a spa sure sounds fun.
Nayt

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Erbo
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posted April 01, 2002 19:21     Click Here to See the Profile for Erbo   Click Here to Email Erbo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I passed this information on to my wife, who's been having bad neck pains recently (possibly arthritis-related). Thanks for posting it, Nitrozac. Now all I'll have to do is see if there's a physiotherapist in the Denver metro area...and if United HealthCare will cover it.

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rednecklinux
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posted April 02, 2002 08:14     Click Here to See the Profile for rednecklinux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to help everyone out, physiotherapy is the same as physical therapy in the united states. I used to teach physical therapy assistants before I became a geek. Just remember to do those exercises, thats the best way to stop the pain from coming back. And don't forget to take a stretch break every hour if you can. Just get up from the chair and lean back and get those arms moving. Some free PT advice for ya!

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weirdo513
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posted April 02, 2002 08:35     Click Here to See the Profile for weirdo513   Click Here to Email weirdo513     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have back pain!

-racks every joint in his neck in one motion-

Ok so you got me... I know a proffesional masseuse here in town I should see what she charges sometime...

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robots r gr8
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posted April 02, 2002 09:45     Click Here to See the Profile for robots r gr8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok... its all about ergonomics, baby! ergonomics!

a few years back, i was actually considering quitting my high paying, low maintainence, do it with your eyes closed and one hand tied behind your back, tech job. the reason: i was in constant physical pain. and i couldnt figure out what was the culprit. until one faithful day when a friend stopped by and took one look at me at my desk and said, "dude, you are the poster child for anti-ergonomics! im surprised your spine hasnt collapsed in a scoliastic fit of poor posture! youre lucky your hands havent rebelled in an arthritic rage! i cant believe... etc." anyway, he went on to tell me about the wonders of ergonomics and how important they are in the work place. he also mentioned this: your boss wants you to be productive and comfort enhances productivity. so, go talk to your boss about getting a new chair. i did. and my quality of life has improved tenfold. i got a snazzy new chair (with adjustable height, lumbar, and recline), an angled foot rest, and a trackball (to use in conjunction with my mouse). and ya know what? my boss was more than happy to get me all this stuff.

now i just need a way to convince my boss that a 10gig iPod would really help my lower back...

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ZorroTheFox
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posted April 02, 2002 18:37     Click Here to See the Profile for ZorroTheFox   Click Here to Email ZorroTheFox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Super Flippy:
Well, it actually runs Microsoft WebTV, but the La-Z-Boy Explorer fits the bill in all other respects. Or you could just get yourself an iBook, an AirPort, and a comfy chair. When I was working from home, sometimes I would sit sideways in our overstuffed chair with my ThinkPad on my lap. It was a nice break from sitting at the desk. If I ever work from home full time again, I'm getting a laptop.


It figures I would be a bit behind, I would love to have one of those. Though I think with a little effort I could build a better one, it's nice to know I might not have to........Z

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macadddikt18
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posted April 02, 2002 19:09     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i wonder if the fact that it runs windows creates more pain or if it really does help it go away or prevent it. I have started noticing that just being near the windows computers at school gives me neck pain. Can it be that microsoft is causing it?
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iballoondesign
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posted April 05, 2002 00:06     Click Here to See the Profile for iballoondesign   Click Here to Email iballoondesign     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
more back pain when I am getting old. I had to shape up and watch my back. It is getting scary for me.

*snift*
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macadddikt18
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posted April 05, 2002 05:35     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the source of all my back pain comes from my bed ,or lack there of. Every morning when i wake up my back is killing me. I wish it would not, but it just makes the entire day a bother. That spa is sounding really good right about now.
Nayt

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Nitrozac
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posted April 07, 2002 23:25     Click Here to See the Profile for Nitrozac   Click Here to Email Nitrozac     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Treatment number four tomorrow! They repeatedly emphasize the importance of doing the neck and should stretches (3 times a day), and core strengthening exercises (2 times a day). It's very important to keep up with that. Better for you than a smoke break!

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quantumfluff
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posted April 09, 2002 07:49     Click Here to See the Profile for quantumfluff   Click Here to Email quantumfluff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About 5 years ago I had constant back and neck pain after every day of work. I solved it with a new chair. What I currently use is a Grahl (www.grahl.com) Premier Duo-back. The back is not a solid piece, but rather two pads, so that your spine is not against anything. Instead of standard arms, I have 6" diameter elbow pads on swing out arms (I think that option is discontinued). It was the best investment in my health that I ever made. Very expensive, but I only have one back to go through life with.

For my wrists, I switched to a Goldtouch keyboard. It is about twice the price of a regular keyboard, but it is vastly better for my hands. A good mouse is also essential. I use a Logitech trackball on my primay machine and a mouseman on the windows box. They seem to work well, as they are almost big enough for my hand. If the mouse is too small, I can feel the pain almost immediatly. There is a place that sells mice in a bunch of different sizes, so you can get one to fit. I can't find the URL, but a google search should do it for anyone interested. BTW. I also mounted a keyboard tray under my desk, so I could get it and the mouse at the right level. This is critical.

All totaled, it was about $1100 in equipment to make the pain go away without any appreciable change in my usage habits. Since I make my living at my computer, it was well worth it.

I still get wrist pain every so often. This usually happens after intense coding sessions, where I do three or four back to back days of 12 or more hours. A good wrist brace (the $20 one from CVS, rather than the $12 one) helps a lot for that. I put it on (too late) when the pain starts and wear it for a few days.

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