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SpacemanSpiff22
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posted January 24, 2002 15:32     Click Here to See the Profile for SpacemanSpiff22   Click Here to Email SpacemanSpiff22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just started second semester at my high school, and in order to have my schedule work out correctly, I have to take an english class that starts at 6:55 am. I live about 25 minutes away from the school, so I have to get up WAY WAY too early to make it on time. Those of you who frequent the IRC channels know that I generally stay up really late, so I'm getting approximately 4 hours of sleep on average these days. I'm kind of used to it though, it's not that bad. The teacher is also one of the easiest teachers in the whole school. A friend of mine took college prep from her last semester and said it was more like "junior high prep" than college prep. How much sleep does the average geek in here get?

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Dahak
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posted January 24, 2002 15:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Dahak   Click Here to Email Dahak     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get about seven or eight hours normally, but that's because I work 9 - 5. Back in college, I was getting by with as little as four or five some semesters, especially the days I worked twelve hour shifts in the computer labs.

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+Andrew
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posted January 24, 2002 15:51     Click Here to See the Profile for +Andrew   Click Here to Email +Andrew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have a class that starts before 7AM?! I dare say that goes beyond mere unpleasantry and falls into the realm of "things contrary to the 8th amendment". Who comes up with these ideas, anyway? Do they really expect anyone to be able to think at that hour? I know can barely handle Lit class at 8:20 in the morning.. at 7:00 I'm barely even conscious.

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SpacemanSpiff22
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posted January 24, 2002 16:53     Click Here to See the Profile for SpacemanSpiff22   Click Here to Email SpacemanSpiff22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is very difficult to think at that hour, but thankfully it's one of my easier classes. Unfortunately, my calculus class is right after it, at 7:50. Calc I was pretty easy but now that I'm in Calc II I'm having a little more trouble. It's a pretty cool thing how the class works though, it's taught at the high school but as an extention of the local university so I get college credit through them. =)

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posted January 24, 2002 16:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Akira   Click Here to Email Akira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Usually in bed around 1am, usually up around 7:30-8

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posted January 24, 2002 16:59     Click Here to See the Profile for JainDough   Click Here to Email JainDough     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
early morning classes are the tool of satan. i've got an alternating schedule so everyother day my first 2 classes are my last 2 and vise versa. that means every other day i endanger the lives of everyone in the building by playing with potentially explosive mixtures in lab while half asleep, fun stuff lemme tell you.

On average i say i get about 5 hours. yesterday i had to type a last minute paper so the only sleep i got was when i took a short nap before my first class...in the hall...on the floor...in a corner.

perhaps, more sleep would be a good thing...

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posted January 24, 2002 18:55     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, that so suck haveing a class that early. What crazy teacher teachs that class. Best advies would be to go to bed early. I aim to be in bed every night by 11, which as i am noting now is in about 45 min. And with that i see that i have just made 101 posts. To me this says, Nayt you have no life.
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Xanthine
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posted January 24, 2002 19:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Xanthine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spiff, that four hours a night will break you down eventually. I did it for an academic year. Halfway through I was so wrecked it was a battle of will to get out of bed if I had less than four, and I still haven't recovered - to this day four hours of shut eye is my absolute, rock-bottom minimum to even open my eyes in the morning. Either that or a steady infusion of caffeine so I don't go to sleep at all. Moral of the story: arrange your schedule so you can get more sleep. 20 is a bad age to burn out at. 18 is just plain obscene.

To answer the question, I usually get between 4-6 hours of sleep/night during the week, and 6-8 on weekends.

Funny thing about the minimum is these four hours don't have to be continuous - I've gotten away with breaking it up into 1 and 3 or two two-hour segments.

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posted January 24, 2002 21:39     Click Here to See the Profile for zorgon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't teach then. Still getting my coffee in at that hour.

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SpacemanSpiff22
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posted January 24, 2002 21:53     Click Here to See the Profile for SpacemanSpiff22   Click Here to Email SpacemanSpiff22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xanthine said:
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20 is a bad age to burn out at. 18 is just plain obscene.

So how about 16? Is 16 an acceptable time to burn out? Just so you all know, yes, I am only 16.

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posted January 25, 2002 05:23     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No NO NO, if you are going to burn out you have to do it sometime after your 25th birthday. That is my plan. DOn't try and burn yourself out before then it just is not healthy.
Nayt

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posted January 25, 2002 06:29     Click Here to See the Profile for quantumfluff   Click Here to Email quantumfluff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Classes before 9am for high school students are just plain wrong. There is a lot of medical research showing that teenagers naturally stay up later and get up later than other age groups. This holds true even in primative societies so it is not just a cultural thing. One of the theories is that by having different age groups in different sleep cycles there is a better chance that someone in a group is alert at all times during the night. This gave our ancestors better protection during the night.

I go to a lot of PTA meetings (I'm a parent) and our superintendant of schools has been pushing for years to swap the elementary and high school schedules, so that elementary starts at 7:30 or 8, while high school starts at 9 (or later). It will probably never happen, mostly because that would throw off our sports schedule when meeting other schools.

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posted January 25, 2002 07:41     Click Here to See the Profile for Swiss Mercenary   Click Here to Email Swiss Mercenary     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sleeeep, I don need no stinkin slzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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posted January 25, 2002 07:44     Click Here to See the Profile for Swiss Mercenary   Click Here to Email Swiss Mercenary     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seriously, I suffer from sleep apneoa, have for years.
I was diagnosed about 5 years ago and since then I have been using a CPAP to be able to sleep correctly.

With my doctor we calculated that I had an average of 2-3 hours a night of sleep over 10 years. It has taken me about 5 years to catch up and I still wake up tired after a long night's sleep.

Sleep depravation builds up and one or two nights does not get rid of it.

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posted January 25, 2002 19:27     Click Here to See the Profile for donnab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SpacemanSpiff22:
I so I'm getting approximately 4 hours of sleep on average these days. I'm kind of used to it though, it's not that bad.


To be able to wake up in the morning, I set the energy control panel to turn the puter off at midnight. It gives me a 15 minute warning, then it turns into a pumpkin at midnight. Only way to get any sleep.

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rw
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posted January 25, 2002 20:35     Click Here to See the Profile for rw   Click Here to Email rw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I once had to teach a class that started at 8 AM. (Okay, that's not as bad as 7, but nearly so.) If it's any consolation, I can assure you that your teacher doesn't like it any more than you do. So do go easy on her

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posted January 26, 2002 15:07     Click Here to See the Profile for SupportGoddess   Click Here to Email SupportGoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have trouble getting up before noon. Which is kind of a problem Tuesdays and Thursdays because I have a biology class at 9:30 on those days (after working until midnight the night before) but so far I seem to be ok with it, and on Tuesdays I have time to come home and take a nap before work.

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Bregalad
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posted January 26, 2002 18:07     Click Here to See the Profile for Bregalad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 26, 2002 20:56     Click Here to See the Profile for LifetimeTrekker   Click Here to Email LifetimeTrekker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sleep? What's that?

I'm a veteran insomniac; I generally will get by on four to six hours (not necessarily consecutive hours); on my days-off, I'll take naps as I may need.

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Evilbunny
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posted January 26, 2002 23:00     Click Here to See the Profile for Evilbunny   Click Here to Email Evilbunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used to be an insomniac and get about 1 hr a night and get up and work the next day. Now i get about 2 and no longer have insomnia...

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rw
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posted January 27, 2002 13:41     Click Here to See the Profile for rw   Click Here to Email rw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember a 9 AM class I once taught -- when I walked into the classroom every morning, a certain student was always already there, in a front row seat, head on the desk, fast asleep. The only times I saw her awake were on days I was giving a test -- and she always got an A. I knew the only reason she had signed up for the class was that it was a requirement, and that she really didn't need it, so I never disturbed her slumber.

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posted January 27, 2002 14:34     Click Here to See the Profile for Xanthine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by quantumfluff:
Classes before 9am for high school students are just plain wrong. There is a lot of medical research showing that teenagers naturally stay up later and get up later than other age groups. This holds true even in primative societies so it is not just a cultural thing. One of the theories is that by having different age groups in different sleep cycles there is a better chance that someone in a group is alert at all times during the night. This gave our ancestors better protection during the night.

I go to a lot of PTA meetings (I'm a parent) and our superintendant of schools has been pushing for years to swap the elementary and high school schedules, so that elementary starts at 7:30 or 8, while high school starts at 9 (or later). It will probably never happen, mostly because that would throw off our sports schedule when meeting other schools.


That and local businesses want kids out early so they can work in the afternoon. At least, that's the excuse I got for my highschool's hellacious schedule (7:50 am for the regular classes, 7 am for the zero period). College is a little bit more sensible - the earliest class I've had to date was 9 am, but they also give us exams at 8 am. Go figure.

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posted January 27, 2002 14:38     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me it is easy to get up early. I mean there is nothing to do late at night that i can not do early in the morning. But beinn in bed by 11 every night helps a lot too.
Nayt

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posted January 27, 2002 16:31     Click Here to See the Profile for atopian   Click Here to Email atopian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ummm... Isnt that illegal? I know that if anyone ever tried to make me get up that early on a regular basis id be raising up a sh*tstorm and finding citations left and right as to why that kind of schedule is completely useless.

To answer the question, i get about 8-10 hours of sleep a night, both school and work have become quite clear that i am useless to either before the hour of 10am

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posted January 27, 2002 17:07     Click Here to See the Profile for MacManKrisK   Click Here to Email MacManKrisK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw...gee...how much sleep do I get? I don't know, I can't count while I'm sleeping!! Heh, bad joke (as usual). Anyway, I usually need at least 8, preferably 9+ hours of sleep a night. I'm intensely tired today, though, yesterday was my 20th b-day and I was out until...um...4:30 AM and I had to get up by 9 today to go to church, so that's 4.5 hours last night, probably 4 by the time I actually fell asleep. That explains the bad jokes, I guess.

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posted January 27, 2002 18:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Raptorgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have you guys beat. The school I teach at runs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The students and instructors have classes at 1 AM. My schedule was crazy for the longest time--1-9 AM shifts one day, 5 PM-1 AM the next.

Luckily, my department cut out the 5 AM classes and weekends, so now I'm just working 9 PM-5 AM shifts during the week. Still, my sleep patterns are shot.

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posted January 27, 2002 19:18     Click Here to See the Profile for homesalad   Click Here to Email homesalad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, early classes suck. Unless they are fun though. I'm at school every day from 8AM until 5PM. Its great! But I like it a lot.

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posted January 27, 2002 20:39     Click Here to See the Profile for Bregalad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
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I have you guys beat. The school I teach at runs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The students and instructors have classes at 1 AM.

What kind of school runs round the clock? I sure hope they have a good salary and benefits package for that kind of shift work.

My high school started at 8:00AM and university at 8:30AM. Being on the west coast we have tech support people starting work at 5:00AM, but I'm on the development side of the fence. Much more likely to find us there at 8:00PM than 8:00AM.

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posted January 27, 2002 20:48     Click Here to See the Profile for SpacemanSpiff22   Click Here to Email SpacemanSpiff22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd much rather go to school from 10 to 5:30, or from mid afternoon till midnight than from 7 to 2:30. People with acutal social lives might have a problem with this, but it'd be great for me! *sighs* only 10 hours till I have to go to school...

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posted February 01, 2002 20:43     Click Here to See the Profile for rw   Click Here to Email rw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Raptorgirl:
I have you guys beat. The school I teach at runs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The students and instructors have classes at 1 AM. My schedule was crazy for the longest time--1-9 AM shifts one day, 5 PM-1 AM the next.

Luckily, my department cut out the 5 AM classes and weekends, so now I'm just working 9 PM-5 AM shifts during the week. Still, my sleep patterns are shot.


!?!?!?!?

Where do you teach?

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posted February 02, 2002 06:05     Click Here to See the Profile for PRAM   Click Here to Email PRAM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I work 9 to 7:30 4 days a week - So I usually average 7 hours a sleep on work nights, the other 3 nights a week, I'm lucky if I get 4 hours, I sleep late, but always have to get up early for one class or another. I'm not a morning person at all, if it were up to me, business wouldn't start before 10.

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posted February 02, 2002 13:29     Click Here to See the Profile for annie   Click Here to Email annie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PRAM:
I'm not a morning person at all, if it were up to me, business wouldn't start before 10.

I second that!

I spent 2 years in highschool averaging about 5h or less per night (2 part time jobs and a lot of traveling were to blame). Then right at the end I crashed ... and burned... which was not the least bit good because then I started university. It took me a long while to recover and nowadays I can't take more than two or three nights a month with <9h.

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posted February 04, 2002 23:09     Click Here to See the Profile for Angry Rooster   Click Here to Email Angry Rooster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ugh... painful memories... speaking of, what was with scheduling SATs so damned early? They've done studies that prove that people, especially teenagers, don't think as well so early in the morning. What would posses someone to schedule such a test so early in the day, on a *weekend* even?

One of my favorite things about high school was that they were "preparing us for the work force" I hate to tell them this, but if an employer expects me to wake up at 6am, switch thinking processes 6 times a day, and then take my work home with me, they are no longer my employer. The only job high school prepares you for is a job in the school system. Perhaps we'd have a higher teacher count if they didn't have to get up so early?

By the way rw, you count as an excellent teacher in my book for recognizing that not all students are the same, as well as leaving alone those of us who get by without doing the busy work. Now if only my college instructors would catch on to this method... it's like high school all over again, only without all the teenage idiots, and later in the day... ok, so it's better than high school, but still, everyone told me to wait for college, well I did. And now I'm stuck making up excuses to switch instructors because I have to play the damned game some more.

Ok, that was a rant laden post.

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posted February 05, 2002 07:44     Click Here to See the Profile for greycat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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if an employer expects me to wake up at 6am,

I'm usually up at 5:30, but sometimes I'll hit the snooze button an extra time, so it's 5:40....

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switch thinking processes 6 times a day,

Only 6? You're kidding, right?

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and then take my work home with me,

I'm on call periodically; we have a rotating duty schedule.

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they are no longer my employer.

I strongly urge you not to consider a career in systems administration or tech support, then.

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posted February 05, 2002 16:05     Click Here to See the Profile for LifetimeTrekker   Click Here to Email LifetimeTrekker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by +Andrew:
You have a class that starts [b]before 7AM?! I dare say that goes beyond mere unpleasantry and falls into the realm of "things contrary to the 8th amendment". Who comes up with these ideas, anyway? Do they really expect anyone to be able to think at that hour? I know can barely handle Lit class at 8:20 in the morning.. at 7:00 I'm barely even conscious.[/B]


Okay, show hands: Who had to look up the 8th Amendment? Who knew what it was?

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posted February 05, 2002 22:32     Click Here to See the Profile for Xanthine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahh, but highschool is not a punishment, it only feels like it. Therein lies the rub.

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posted February 06, 2002 05:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Swiss Mercenary   Click Here to Email Swiss Mercenary     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LifetimeTrekker:
Okay, show hands: Who had to look up the 8th Amendment? Who knew what it was?

<Raises hand>
No idea, the only one I am really sure about is the fifth, use that one the most.

The again I am not a USian, so I have no idea what is in that there constitution of yours.

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posted February 06, 2002 14:44     Click Here to See the Profile for miliani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's see.... my senior year in high school I had to split my days between high school classes, college classes, varsity track practice (after classes), swimteam practice (after track), taekwondo practice (after swimteam), community service hours/tutoring, theatre rehearsals, and a short 20 minute dinner with my family... sooo... taking that into account... I averaged 3-4 hours of sleep on a regular (non-homework-heavy) night... thinking about how i had to do all that to be somewhat competitive for college... and taking all that madness into consideration (and the fact i had no life in high school... *sigh*).. i'm afraid to even imagine what someone has to do these days in order to be competitive when applying for a top-notch university.... O.o;

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posted February 06, 2002 15:31     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 08, 2002 18:36     Click Here to See the Profile for DUCT TAPE   Click Here to Email DUCT TAPE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my classes start at 9:00 and 9:30 this semester so i've been getting about six or seven hours a night during the week and nine or ten on weekends.

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