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Janeway
Super Geek

Posts: 234
From: Cyberspace, Delta Quadrant
Registered: Sep 1999

posted February 22, 2002 12:07     Click Here to See the Profile for Janeway   Click Here to Email Janeway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm so ashamed. I'm in love with two Microsoft products. I love Zoo Tycoon. The animals are so cute, especially the baby ostriches and the tiger cubs.

And I like Visual Basic. It makes programming soo easy. I just click a couple of buttons and there's a graphic in my program. I never could figure it out in c++. Let me repeat..I LOVE Visual Basic. Oh, I'm so wicked.

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Steen
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Posts: 1162
From: Maryville, TN, USA
Registered: Jan 2000

posted February 22, 2002 14:03     Click Here to See the Profile for Steen   Click Here to Email Steen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
/me holds up two Linux distributions to make a silver cross

Evil! Eviiiiiiilllllll!!

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Bregalad
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Posts: 203
From: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Registered: Jan 2002

posted February 22, 2002 14:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Bregalad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the only list shorter than "Microsoft products I love" would be my list of "things I like about Steve Balmer"

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+Andrew
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Posts: 198
From: Boston, MA, USA
Registered: Aug 2001

posted February 22, 2002 22:03     Click Here to See the Profile for +Andrew   Click Here to Email +Andrew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You like... Visual Basic? I didn't think such people existed!

But really, I can't imagine liking VB. I agree that it has its uses (quick development of simple Windows apps). I've even used it to make a few little apps of my own, but I don't think I could possibly stand to write more than a few hundred lines of VB per year. If there's any one think I really hate about it, its the documentation. The help/reference files in VS5 were reasonably sane, but the abomination (MSDN Library) that passes for a help system in VS6 is orders of magnitude worse, in a usability sense.

-Andrew

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macadddikt18
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From: In a world beyond your understanding
Registered: Jan 2002

posted February 22, 2002 22:03     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
or things you like about bill gates.
Nayt

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ZorroTheFox
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Posts: 1117
From: Milton, WA, USA
Registered: Oct 2001

posted February 22, 2002 22:28     Click Here to See the Profile for ZorroTheFox   Click Here to Email ZorroTheFox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like his house, just wish it were mine. Of course, it would need some remodeling and sterilizing. I would also need an exterminator, I bet the place is just full of bugs >;o) ........Z

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Nemo
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Posts: 86
From: The deep woods of Norway
Registered: Feb 2002

posted February 23, 2002 05:23     Click Here to See the Profile for Nemo   Click Here to Email Nemo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*sigh*
I like Visual Basics too...
I'm bad bad bad...
But how can I not like the first program I learned to code in? It's in my blood now, no matter what I do.

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Tau Zero
BlabberMouth, the Next Generation.

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posted February 23, 2002 11:19     Click Here to See the Profile for Tau Zero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I learned BASIC as my first computer language.  I got over it.  After your fourth or fifth high-level language and your tenth assembly language or so, you tend to lose the sentimentality and, Spock-like, see the logic of things.

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octothorp
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From: calgary, alberta, canada
Registered: Feb 2000

posted February 23, 2002 18:50     Click Here to See the Profile for octothorp   Click Here to Email octothorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like VBscript because it's got great XML support.
I also prefer Internet Explorer when I'm on my PC. Not sure which I like better yet on Mac--too close too call.

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DUCT TAPE
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posted February 24, 2002 11:45     Click Here to See the Profile for DUCT TAPE   Click Here to Email DUCT TAPE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
evil, microsoft is evil. i hate to admit it, but for a long time i used explorer on my mac, but now i have deleted all microsoft apps on my computer and only use hotmail for a spam acount.

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dragonman97
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From: Westchester County, New York
Registered: May 2001

posted February 24, 2002 14:57     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonman97   Click Here to Email dragonman97     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good work, Steen! You can put my LNX-BBC (Linux Bootable Business Card) at the center of that, with its penguin smiling on VB users, magically removing their fog. Yes, I love being able to carry Linux in my wallet. Also, my Penguin Photon Light (Thinkgeek) will shine light for all to see.

Seriously, I dislike VB, because it does not instill good programming habits, the biggest of which is its case-insensitive nature. I am a SI (Supplemental Instructor) for Computer Programming I & II, which teaches Java, and some of the students have just come out of Intro to VB, and I have spent so long going through compiler errors that have to deal solely with case-sensitive issues. Java is a real language, with comprehensive functionality, and using Forte for Java, quick prototyping can be done with easy form generation. And if you still want BASIC, and since this is a pro-Mac forum (though I'm a proud Linux user), I've heard and seen a lot of good things about RealBASIC for the Mac. And for any platform, besides Java, Perl is a great language.

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Dahak
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Posts: 51
From: Royersford, PA, United States
Registered: Oct 2001

posted February 25, 2002 09:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Dahak   Click Here to Email Dahak     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In defense of Microsoft, their Macintosh Business Unit has put out some good applications, far superior to some of the crap they've made on the Windows side. I've been especially impressed with how well they're been able to make great and solid applications for Mac OS X. Then again, their main strength since Office 98 has been their ability to make their applications as Mac-like as possible, instead of making a straight port of their Windows software. This approach has paid some handsome dividends in terms of usability as well as stability.

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rednecklinux
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Posts: 12
From: the darkside of the south
Registered: Feb 2002

posted February 25, 2002 16:09     Click Here to See the Profile for rednecklinux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey thats nuthin', I HAVE to take VB in college as a programming major. Oh the shame of it all! Thank god I program in C at home to keep me sharp. VB is a great language for non-programmers (much like BASIC), but to make it a required course is just too much! I_really_hate_the_MS_stranglehold!

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zooz
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posted February 27, 2002 08:29           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NOOOOOOO! I can't believe what I am hearing!
Point and click?!

For your pennance you must do everything from
the command line for 60 days. No point and click
anything! First, remove Mousekeys from your system.
Next, unplug the mouse from your system and
immediately stomp it to peices (if it's a nice
mouse, or you don't want to break it, put it in a bank safety
deposit box, or pput it in a strong water prof safe with a time-lock).
Now that that step has been taken care of, use start.exe,
rundll32.exe and .WSH scripts created and run from batch files
to operate the various windows functions which arn't
available via keyboard shortcuts. And PLEASE don't even
think of using file mana^H^H^H^H^H Windows explor^H^H^H^HIE5^Hahh
you get the point, or the start menu! Always shutdown
your computer with a comamnd like:

rundll user.exe,exitwindows (note: only tested
in windows 95)


Also, collect and use as many console and/or DOS
programs and utilities that you can getyour hands on
or your system can handle (be very careful.
can be very nasty under windows, and always
read the manual!) The more commands/switches each utilitiy
has available for operation, the better.

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greycat
Super Geek

Posts: 182
From:
Registered: Oct 2001

posted March 05, 2002 06:05     Click Here to See the Profile for greycat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uh... zooz? I know you're the world's most die-hard DOS fan. And I respect that. But Unix is a hell of a lot easier.

Compare:

rundll user.exe,exitwindows (note: only tested in windows 95)

shutdown -h now

I offer an alternative penance for Janeway: install, configure and use any Unix-like system for no less than 30 days. Mac OS X doesn't count unless you only use the command line.

Of course, once you have done this, you will no longer be able to use DOS/Windows without feeling mildly ill. Such is the price of growth.

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Janeway
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Posts: 234
From: Cyberspace, Delta Quadrant
Registered: Sep 1999

posted March 05, 2002 07:21     Click Here to See the Profile for Janeway   Click Here to Email Janeway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol, I've installed Linux on my second hard drive but it's got that X windows interface. Does that count?

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rednecklinux
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Posts: 12
From: the darkside of the south
Registered: Feb 2002

posted March 07, 2002 18:31     Click Here to See the Profile for rednecklinux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhhh....X windows. The only thing left for those poor ol' computers. But I still wouldn't give up KDE. I did start on windows afterall. Oh!! I now teach linux use parttime!! Good things do come to those who wait...and don't sell their soul to Mr. Bill.

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iballoondesign
Alpha Geek

Posts: 283
From: Midland, TX
Registered: Dec 2001

posted March 08, 2002 21:50     Click Here to See the Profile for iballoondesign   Click Here to Email iballoondesign     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I liked FrontPage as the beginning, it help me by give more better idea how to improve and understanding how to handle html as web designer. I actually don't want to be web designer but it's great add to my resume as plus. Now, I move to Dreamweaver - good-bye FrontPage, you taught me so much and I become a better person.

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MacManKrisK
Super Geek

Posts: 132
From: Southwest Lower Michigan, USA
Registered: Oct 2001

posted March 10, 2002 14:14     Click Here to See the Profile for MacManKrisK   Click Here to Email MacManKrisK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I still love the first language I ever really programmed in, HyperTalk! My first programming expierence was in BASIC, but I really never got beyond...

code:
10 print "text"
20 print : print : print
30 print "more text"
40 goto 10

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"You know, it's the one, with the thing!"


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