"Those who surf the Web using a Mac tend to be better educated and make more money than their PC-using counterparts, according to a report from Nielsen/NetRatings.

The study also said Mac users tend to be more Web savvy, with more than half having been online for at least five years. And the Mac faithful are 58 percent more likely than the overall online population to build their own Web page and also slightly more likely to buy goods online, according to thereport.

"With above-average household income and education levels, the Mac population presents a very attractive target for marketers, both online and offline," the research group said."
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hee hee... btw, Woz forwarded that link .

more anti-pc posting?

this really IS a mac/nix oriented board and this is just another slam against the almighty PC/windoze crowd

if there wasn't to be any bias to the post, then there would have been a bit more to it, than just a bit of the article and a note of who forwarded it
it seems clear to me that the post was intended to spark a lot of converstation
well,, it did and here's my 2˘

it's no wonder i see so few people post here about PC's

they'd get flamed down in an instant

wanna flame my thoughts? fine. don't matter to me

i will never be convinced that a $1400 mac that you can't really DO anything to is better than or can do a better job than a $600 PC that i can do anything i want at any time and upgrade or downgrade as i see fit, for a HELL of a lot cheaper and just as fast, and in MANY instances, FASTER, i build myself
use any benchmark you want, use any specs you want, use any polls you want - it's just statistics that can be warped anyway the person doing the poll/test wants it to go
real-world situations are what count and happy to say, it's a PC world out there, if Macs were so much better, the prices would be a third of what they are or less, and 90% of all computers would be Mac, not PC
face it, this planet runs on PCs, macs are expensive toys
they have their uses, but in the big scheme of things, they don't count for much other than to give an alternative
that by itself is good, but not enough

APPLE - cut yer freeking prices to a level that the average McD worker can afford, like PCs are, and/or license your hardware and software to 3rd parties so theres more competition to get the prices down further, and don't be DICKHEADS about press, contrary to the belive that "any publicity is good publicity" there IS such a thing as bad publicity and it DOES hurt you financially
currently, you SUCK- change your ways and pricing and you may find more people wanting to use/buy your wares

think there's a /rant here? nope

i'll just continue in another post or thread

This is a mac/*nix orientated board, and that is the main reason I come here. It has a nice balance. There is probably even a PC component equal to the other two. However, we mac people like our computers. In ways PC people don't understand. I have used PC's that never crash, and more commonly PC's that will not stay turned on at all. Macs crash too, although running OSX helps to keep them steady. However, most mac users manage to find a joy in using their computers when they discover the little things about them that make them (IMHO) "nicer" When we find something good about our macs, we generally like to share. We are only 5% of the computer population, and it's good to feel at one with like-minded persons.

Statistics can be warped, true, but something to remember is that something cheap is not better. Now, computers are not all meant to be the same, like cars, but there is room for everyone on the road. Can't we all get along? I like my mac, wouldn't change it for a PC ever. But I'm happy if you like your PC. I have to use a PC every day for work, and nearly every day I find some thing on it that doesn't work in the way I think it should. Using my mac at home, once a month maybe, I find something that makes me grin and say, "that's soooo cool!"

Not really very directed, but in summary:

Like the site- keep it up!

I like a mix of people around- everyone thinking the same is boring

I like my mac- it's good for me, you like what you like

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Originally posted by littlefish:
Can't we all just get along?

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Nope. not if people who own macs keep the whole holier than thou attitude going. I'm sick of hearing mac this, mac that.
I use solaris on Blades, ultra sparcs and e-450s. three of which i and my friends have for reasons of our own. Have you ever heard me saying anything about those? Even though the hardware(IMHO) there is much better than Mac-crap? No. I don't even say anything about the hardware or even mention it.
I've seen much and even owned part of better hardware than Apple will ever make. but i never go on and on about it. so why can't you guys just shut up for a change and let everyone be? hmmm? cause i'm goddamn sick of you mac users and your mac propaganda. Not because i use pcs or anything but because I'm sick of the bloody attitude.

Someone has to point out to the Wintel hoards how low their computers are in the food chain and it might as well be us

Yes, there will be more powerful computers out there, there's also cheaper computers out there and it's even possible (although not too likely) that there are better designed (both looks and use) computers out there. Just that none of them compare to the Mac on all 3 counts.

They aint cheap, but then again, neither are we (and as I've said before, all my Macs have paid for themselves within the first year and all except my very overused 6400 are still in use today).

The report itself is just stats. It's been done to grab a headline and get ad revenue for the team that did the report. Yes it was probably posted here to spark conversation, but that's the whole point of a forum. Neither the article or post were anti-pc, they're pro Mac.

perfectstormy: it is, of course, simpilly since the nt is harder to deal with (maybe you can take a joke, dunno about others)

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PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS FLAME BAIT! IT IS NOT INTENDED AS!
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"Apple customers may be educated, but our customers are smart enough to have chosen Gateway, which offers the best value," said Brad Williams, a spokesman for the PC maker.

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i just read it, and I find something odd about that line.

<disclaimer>
This is not targeted to be offensive to windows users. It is merely intended to make fun of one "Brad Williams" who made a very corny statement
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Originally posted by ilovemydualg4:
"Apple customers may be educated, but our customers are smart enough to have chosen Gateway, which offers the best value," said Brad Williams, a spokesman for the PC maker.

i just read it, and I find something odd about that line.

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Originally posted by ilovemydualg4:
perfectstormy: it is, of course, simpilly since the nt is harder to deal with (maybe you can take a joke, dunno about others)

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Take a joke? Absolutely! That's why I like vi better than emacs and perl over python... (/me ducks) You are right, lover of the dual g4, there is no point in arguing this further. Does anyone think that someone reading this will suddenly go "What was I thinking?" and run out and replace their computer?

The sad thing is when an innocent "Hooray for us!" degenerates into "Crazy elitist bastards!" before Guy Kawasaki can get his pants on.

I do get the impression sometimes that Apple tries to play on people's insecurities a bit--implying that if you buy their stuff, you are a cooler person or something. That's a lot to ask out of a box of plastic, metal and silicon, but I've heard worse lies on television, no worse than the fashion industry certainly. Belive me, if Dell or IBM could get away with that kinda thing, they would in a second (maybe they do). That might explain the sting that some PC users are feeling in this topic, though.

Of course when a PC user blows their cool and starts complaining about the "crapintosh", it tends to prove Apple's point... I'm sure if you gave the Apple survey respondents PC's and vice-versa, they'd still have the same income and education and joie de vivre the next day, at least until Bill's soul-sucking booth becomes operational again

One thing though: to have Sun or IBM or Apple take the place of Microsoft isn't an improvement (as far as computing goes, your stock portfolio may vary). They all seem to be capable of pretty stupid things, and I'll be the first to say "Dude, buy a Dell" in the unlikely event that Apple gets over even 50% market share.

I'm just glad that I have a choice--I'd have one of each, if it were up to me, and switch every month or two when I got bored.

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I forgot what the words mean...

I have 3 PCs and 4 relatively modern Macs. I've also got 4 "antique" Macs, but they just sit on a shelf.

Today my job demands that I know the Windows and Macintosh software that we produce. Maybe some day I'll take it upon myself to put Linux on one of the PCs and/or Macs, but today I'm happy with a grand mixture of the mainstream crap. My Win2K boxen rarely crash, although My Documents seems to quit responding on a daily basis - must be time for a reboot, and the f$&%ed up MacOS X Orange Micro drivers for my SCSI card are causing kernel panics every time I put a disc into my MO drive, but other than that I have reliable computing and more machines than a family of trained monkeys could use at once.

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Originally posted by Bregalad:
.... PCs are somewhat lower quality, but they cost considerably less.

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BULLSHIT

If you put your own PC together, at least you've usually got knowledge of how to fix it when it goes wrong. Most people don't want to learn how to fix it, they just want it to work. If you're using your computer to make money, any downtime costs you, thus spending a little bit more on a suitable Mac usually means you have less hassle and can get more work done.

It definitely doesn't get you the styling and design (which might seem low priority to a PC user, but it's one of the minor details that helps make the Mac experience more efficient) or the hardware/software compatibility that's built in when the same people that design the hardware also make the OS. You also lose out on much more efficient chips that don't require industrial strength fans to cool them and you get cool features like USB, Firewire, properly integrated wireless, CD-Roms and DVD-Roms a year or so after the Mac users do.

If you have to bash other people to feel better about yourself or your choice of computer, you are what's wrong with the world and you should just go kill yourself and make the world a better place for those of us who have self esteem.

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Originally posted by Steen:
You know what?

If you have to bash other people to feel better about yourself or your choice of computer, you are what's wrong with the world and you should just go kill yourself and make the world a better place for those of us who have self esteem.

If you're proud of yourself or your computer, go ahead and say so, but take your insults and snide remarks and shove them up your ass already. The world is filled with people who hate and hurt and kill for no fucking reason whatsoever. If all you can do is contribute to the problem, you deserve to die in the most painful way possible.

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He is talking about computers, not a holy war.
Calm down... you're really out of line.

now shall we rise for a Hymn, #147, in your Broadman Standard,

you guys get really carried away. i would have expected a lot more eloquence from the regulars.

i've saved this link for a few months now, and its time to whip it out. explore it at your leisure. It's a bulletin board dating to pre-1996, and it is very interesting.

http://hero.com/HyperNews/get/sucks/6.html
(BASE URL http://hero.com/HyperNews/get/sucks.html

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Originally posted by Hikaru:
Mac faithful, Linux lovers, rember if the PC peeps dont get it by now , they never will, I am reminded of the old argument a Chevy fan I know keeps blabbering on about,
"Chevies are better than Fords, cause parts are cheaper"
well there is a reason, its because Chevies while initially more powerful, tend to wear out quicker and breakdown more often, there fore GM has to make/liscense out the production of parts to keep from falling from the graces of their customers, wheras a Ford while not as blatantly powerful lasts for ever (my 71 ranger for example)
oh for everyones info, this Chevy person I know has a 78 Nova, that is a literal Redneck roling heap, and he swears its better than my old Ford truck, even though My 70 VW stomped this car and another in a 1/4 mile drag,he insists on attempting to poke fun at me for being a "Ford person" the example here being that someone who thoroughly loves something, will sugar coat and defend it all the more vehemetly the "crappier" it is
I know though that some PC peep will try to turn that arond on my, but just rember
"the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem"
and I try not to scorn the brainwashed and deluded, only try to pitey and guide them to the light .
I call upon you to throw your evil thoughts out and rember, not everyone wants to be Pod People

now shall we rise for a Hymn, #147, in your Broadman Standard,

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PC parts are not as good? gimmie a f*%&ing break! sound like somone who got a P.O.S. PC system a many years ago and decided then and there that all of them suck and always will

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Originally posted by MacManKrisK: in another thread...
...I guess that my main point for the whole thread is that since I'm now using Linux anyway, why do I need to buy (more expensive) Mac hardware (in the distant future when I finally decide to buy something new) when I can run Linux better on (much less expensive) PC hardware?

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well said, MMK

I don't believe that PC parts are inherently inferior - I think my PC is about eight years old now, and I've never had any problems with it as such - the only problems I've had are where I actually did buy cheap parts (CD-ROM drive and second sound card), but otherwise, the machine has been very faithful to me. I also have a Mac Classic here that still works.

In fact, I'd go as far as saying that in some cases PC parts are considerably better, if not in quality, but just advancement, as new PC components and peripherals can be produced and shipped at any time, and not left out because a new Mac is not yet ready.

More to the point, the PC market is vast, and there are good brands, and poor brands.

Either way, I really do wish people would quit this pathetic squabbling. I know I gave my friend PhAtfiSh a bad time over Windows (98 mostly), but I did recently apologise for it. Fortunately, being a good-natured guy, he let it all pass.

Some people want to use Windows, some Mac OS, others Linux (on various architectures), and that is their choice. If they have simple needs, then it doesn't matter. If they are new to it all, then maybe they made the wrong decision and it might be nice to point out what else is available (I think I get a bit over-rigorous in trying to convince my office mates to switch to 2000, especially as some of them have so much grief with 98). However, those who are experienced have put thought into their decisions, and use their current OS and hardware for a reason. Bashing them for that is only going to be an attack on their very judgement and reasoning, and all too often is based on false premises (e.g. all PC parts being of poor quality) and no assessment of why people made that decision - what their needs are, and what they want to get out of their computing experience.

I know I am just as guilty as others in mindless bashing of other OSes, but it really needs to stop. Show people, subtlely, what else there is, but don't fight a holy war over it.

Personally I wasn't bashing anyone's choice of OS (well, not too much I hope ). Just pointing out that in my work with PCs and Macs (I have to work with PCs, but I'm allowed to use my iBook at work because I get more done with it) I've seen a lot of cheap PCs and generally it's only the users who put a lot of time and (usually) money into building a PC that does what they want that get something that works for them. If you count time as money (you'd be suprised how valuable your time is), then making the wrong choice in PC components can cost you a lot.

As many of you self builders will have found out, the branded big name PCs aren't always a good bet. The most reliable PCs I've worked with have been self builds or 'name' PCs that have been gutted and rebuilt.

But on the flip side, the case he bought was stupid, and the reset button jammed in. Result: failure to boot, and having him send back some of the new components (motherboard, CPU, maybe others) one at a time thinking there was something seriously wrong with one of them, until discovering it was a jammed button. Heh.

As for me, I run both Mac OS 9.1 and Windows 2000 (and Linux sometimes), so I've seen both sides of the OS war, but as for PC hardware, I haven't. I've become disenchanted with dear old RM after discovering all the front headphone jacks in the labs aren't wired up (well, it seems that way, anyhow), sleep buttons that just switch the machine straigt off, and having experienced both a BIOS that can crash repeatedly, and a reset button that fell inside the case... I know RM don't always provide quality :)

Two groups in a pointless pissing contest over which is better/correct which goes on for years on end and has no hope of a resolution. A pissing contest that starts with advocacy of the respective positions, but degenerates into insults and anger, flames and hatred.

You tell me, is that a description of this fight over computers or of a holy war?

I'm not out of line.

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http://hero.com/HyperNews/get/sucks/6.html

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ROFL! (and that's just from reading the message subjects!)

Doesn't anyone think that Snaggy might have posted this thread just a little, y'know, slightly tongue in cheek? Do you really believe he's sitting in GCHQ (1) rubbing his hands (2) together cackling, "Ha! At last I am proved right in my conviction that Windows users are an inferior race!! Now to strut my superiority over the pathetic creatures in the Forums!!!"? Uh... right.

Steen, I don't see anything in this thread that is seriously bashing anyone for choosing Windows. tafkact, you're perfectly happy with your choice of OS, why do you need to rant at Apple that they "SUCK" - how does it affect you?

All these questions and more in the next issue of 'The Great Troll Thread'

rotfl!

"On his Snag-gesty's Secret Service"

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