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Ben
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posted July 03, 2002 09:28     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apple is doing it's best to control the Press again...

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,338390,00.asp

I think this is really lame on Apple's part. Considering the amount of hype Apple generates itself, and the amount of hype and press so called "rumors sites" generate for Apple, this is way too heavyhanded.

I don't really agree with GraphicPower.com's decision to shut down and his pledge never to buy an Apple again (to me that seems Apple's victory), but i sympathize with his plight.
http://graphicpower.com/

Apple, you can be such an ass.

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Erbo
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posted July 03, 2002 09:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Erbo   Click Here to Email Erbo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jesus H. Christ on a Segway.

I'm not a Mac user myself, but I do know that one of the strongest things about the Mac has traditionally been its community of loyal--some might say "fanatical"--followers. These so-called "rumor sites" were essentially free PR for Apple. Apple should have been subsidizing them, rather than killing them off. By alienating their most faithful supporters, Apple loses a large part of what made them "different" in the first place. Has anyone in Apple's PR department read The Cluetrain Manifesto?

Sometimes I wonder if Jobs doesn't secretly want to run Apple into the ground, so he can go back to being a movie mogul full-time (at Pixar) and just leave the computing planet to the Beast of Redmond. But I hope that doesn't happen; Apple has come up with some really cool stuff, and I don't want to see it all fall by the wayside.

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Snaggy
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posted July 03, 2002 10:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I hope Scott doesn't give up on the Mac. The Mac community is made up of a lot more than just Apple Computer, and it survives and thrives in spite of Apple most of the time.

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Bregalad
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posted July 03, 2002 12:42     Click Here to See the Profile for Bregalad   Click Here to Email Bregalad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Erbo:
Sometimes I wonder if Jobs doesn't secretly want to run Apple into the ground, so he can go back to being a movie mogul full-time (at Pixar) and just leave the computing planet to the Beast of Redmond. But I hope that doesn't happen; Apple has come up with some really cool stuff, and I don't want to see it all fall by the wayside.

I think it's becoming clear what Steve is up to. Apple is running around buying audio and video companies, building rack mount servers and enhancing their *NIX based operating system so Pixar can switch over to Apple hardware and software. Steve has always believed in controlling the entire widget. When his master plan is complete Pixar will control absolutely everything in their production line: the hardware, the operating system and every single piece of software. They will continue to make computers for consumers simply because it brings in the revenue needed to fund more research and acquisitions.

The attack on Macintosh fanatics is a personal vendetta. Steve is a control freak who can't stand anybody finding out about his plans until he's ready to announce them. The man may have aged since the early 1980's when his personal decisions handed the PC market to Microsoft, but he's still a lunatic.

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govtmule
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posted July 04, 2002 07:00     Click Here to See the Profile for govtmule   Click Here to Email govtmule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems to me that, while part of the reason so many of us are Mac fans is that they're better machines, it also seems to me that we dislike WinTel because of the horrible monopolistic tactics it practices. And yet, Apple is just as ruthlessly tyrannical.

I love my iMac, but I dislike a company that would behave like this -- what am I to do?

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Zwilnik
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posted July 04, 2002 09:05     Click Here to See the Profile for Zwilnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apple's just a business protecting its own interests. Every time a rumour site posts about the G5 (or whatever) being released 'next month' sales of the current machines take a hit as a lot of Mac users who were about to buy a machine wait for a month.

I think this effect is unique to Apple and its fans, mainly because we're so dedicated. But it does hit Apple's bottom line quite hard, so they're within their rights to protect themselves against their trade secrets being broadcast. Whether or not they can do it more politely or not is a different matter

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Tau Zero
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posted July 06, 2002 11:25     Click Here to See the Profile for Tau Zero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Zwilnik:
Every time a rumour site posts about the G5 (or whatever) being released 'next month' sales of the current machines take a hit as a lot of Mac users who were about to buy a machine wait for a month.

I think this effect is unique to Apple and its fans...


Nope, the effect of vaporware on sales of current products has been very well-known for quite some time.

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Zwilnik
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posted July 06, 2002 16:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Zwilnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although vapourware is usually software or hardware promised by a company that doesn't appear for ages. Apple hasn't announced, mentioned or even hinted at some of the stuff that the rumours sites have come up with, and whether it's real or not, it hits Apple's sales.

While it seems Apple might be being a bit stingy to some of the minor 'news' sites who claim not to quote rumours, but they're not banning them from the exhibition, just from getting press passes. That means they can get exhibit passes the same as the rest of us mortals. They have to draw the line at what is and isn't press somewhere, otherwise anyone could set up a 'news' website just before a show and try and claim a press pass.

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GraphicPower.com
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posted July 09, 2002 04:16     Click Here to See the Profile for GraphicPower.com   Click Here to Email GraphicPower.com     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zwilnik:

While it seems Apple might be being a bit stingy to some of the minor 'news' sites who claim not to quote rumours, but they're not banning them from the exhibition, just from getting press passes. That means they can get exhibit passes the same as the rest of us mortals. They have to draw the line at what is and isn't press somewhere, otherwise anyone could set up a 'news' website just before a show and try and claim a press pass.


It has nothing to do with getting in free. That is insignificant. It is all about access. The media pass means access to press conferences, private vendor conferences, getting appointments with vendors for interviews and product tests, and access to the keynote. An exhibits pass DOES NOT admit you to the keynote or any of the conferences. It also gives you access to the press work room where you can get out of the bustle to write and post your stories, interact with other members of the media, get information that is posted in the press room about various press only events.

A media person would look foolish trying to arrange a meeting with vendors without the media credentials. You get access to the press lounge where you can meet with vendors and have a beverage.

The media pass is all about access. It is not about a free ride. I spend, on average, $1,000 per expo for travel, lodging, meals, and cab fare. Covering an expo as media is nothing like simply attending the show. It is a lot of work and it is expensive. The pass gives us the ACCESS that we need to do an effective job.

Anybody can regurgitate public relations pablum and press releases. Those of you who buy and use the technology need the media to have excellent access to be able to bring you good information that is not simply an outline of the keynote content or re-written press releases.

Just about every Mac centric Web publisher that I has been in contact with is either mum, or has revealed in strict confidence that they were on the list. Some site publishers have actually gotten their media badge, but have been notified that it is revoked. I am one of those. I have my badge but I believe that when I go to Javits to get my badge holder, that it will be confiscated and I will be given an exhibits only badge.

As I have been digging deeper into the matter, it appears that ALL Mac centric Web sites have been excluded from obtaining press passes *except the sites owned by IDG.*

As one site publisher put it, "The real story here is not who is on the blacklist, but who is not."

I think that what we are seeing here is nothing less insidious than anti-competitive business practices by IDG to restrict first hand access of media outlets other than their own sites and sites that are too big to mess with like Ziff-Davis. This is illegal. One site publisher who was blacklisted suggested as much to IDG and their media passes were instantly reinstated!

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Zwilnik
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posted July 09, 2002 05:32     Click Here to See the Profile for Zwilnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*if* it is a case of IDG only giving press passes to their publications, then Apple should definitely have a word, even if it's only to make sure that the other mainstream press can get proper passes.

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Ben
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posted July 09, 2002 14:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, after thinking about this a while and seeing what is happening, I am thinking, man, is Graphicposer being how do you say, a big baby.

Quit milking this for all it's worth, get over it, and do some good reporting about mac stuff. Or move on with your life.


Edit later: that came off a little harsher than i meant to sound.

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GraphicPower Fan
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posted July 09, 2002 18:29     Click Here to See the Profile for GraphicPower Fan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Graphicpower.com! Don't cave in now! Don't do it! Don't go to the expo! Stand by your convictions, have a little integrity. Apple's insulted you, smacked you down, for heaven's sake, are you going to go crawling back, begging to be let in and breathe the same air as those who rejected you! Be a man! Don't go. For us, your fans.... please?

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Rednivek
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posted July 09, 2002 21:08     Click Here to See the Profile for Rednivek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Graphic Power.... what is it?

Graphics?
Power?

Just some dude's personal site?

"This will be my last article..."
"I will never buy another Apple Computer..."
"You wont have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore..."

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GraphicPower.com
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posted July 10, 2002 10:36     Click Here to See the Profile for GraphicPower.com   Click Here to Email GraphicPower.com     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GraphicPower Fan:
Graphicpower.com! Don't cave in now! Don't do it! Don't go to the expo! Stand by your convictions, have a little integrity. Apple's insulted you, smacked you down, for heaven's sake, are you going to go crawling back, begging to be let in and breathe the same air as those who rejected you! Be a man! Don't go. For us, your fans.... please?

I plan to go, if only to make trouble!

Check my Web site today, I have resumed publishing because I have things to say! You ain't seen nothin' yet..

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macadddikt18
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posted July 12, 2002 09:25     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how close to the line before they start infringing on freedom of the press? what allows them, to stop people from speculating? that is what i want to know.
Nayt

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