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Snaggy
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posted June 17, 2002 11:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've blocked the pop-up and pop-under ads. If anyone is still getting pop-up or pop-under banner ads, please let me know.

And, on a related note, if anyone wants to buy some advertising, please let me know.

[email protected]

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ilovemydualg4
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posted June 17, 2002 12:13     Click Here to See the Profile for ilovemydualg4   Click Here to Email ilovemydualg4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YIPEE I HATED THAT DAMN SMART CERTIFY AD!

just out of curiosity, how much cash did that add bring in, like less than a buck a month, etc.

on a semi-related note, the banners on the top of the page don't work, they go to a 404 style page

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uilleann
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posted June 17, 2002 14:37     Click Here to See the Profile for uilleann   Click Here to Email uilleann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Snaggy: If anyone is still getting pop-up or pop-under banner ads...
I must confess to have never seen any of those from geekculture.com. Even so, if I ever do see any, I think I'll be having a little word with one Herr Clauss about the reliability of InScript filtering in iCab Preview 2.8... ;-)

- Uilleann

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macadddikt18
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posted June 17, 2002 19:59     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
since switching to OmniWeb i have not seen any pop-up adds. I got them all the time with IE. another reason why IE sucks. But your effort os noted. Now when i post from school, i won't see those stupid adds.
Nayt

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Snaggy
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posted June 17, 2002 21:09     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, just looking at the tribalfusion reports, (the ones who fed us the pop-ups), my guess is I just gave up between $80 to $150 a month.

So I already regret it.

We'll see what happens, if we don't pick up the slack elsewhere, they may be back... such is reality.

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LifetimeTrekker
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posted June 17, 2002 23:10     Click Here to See the Profile for LifetimeTrekker   Click Here to Email LifetimeTrekker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd rather close the ads--you guys need the income.

Hell, the worst that happens is I close some windows.

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uilleann
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posted June 18, 2002 01:07     Click Here to See the Profile for uilleann   Click Here to Email uilleann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quoting macadddikt18: since switching to OmniWeb i have not seen any pop-up adds. I got them all the time with IE. another reason why IE sucks

That's interesting. When I first enabled InScript filtering in iCab, it tried to stop pages opening new windows by themselves, but still allow them to do so under user control (such as a link). However, it used to block some legitimate window opening, and the option was off by default.

I wonder if OmniWeb is smart enough to not make mistakes and block any good pages? I know iCab now has site-based filtering, so I can add sites for which I want to have that feature turned off. I can also filter normal ad banners, which is nice too.

But, oh, there are more reasons why IE sucks. One of which is its form editing, and that damnable auto-select-whole-word as I drag - I can't imagine that being useful to anyone and wish I could turn the bloody thing off. And don't get quantumfluff and Steen started on the matter, either :)

- Uilleann

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greycat
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posted June 18, 2002 05:55     Click Here to See the Profile for greycat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never see any popup ads, from this site or from any other site, because I disable all Javascript. Javascript is pure, unadulterated evil. Its only purpose is to take control of your browser away from you and give it to the people whose web sites (or banners) you are viewing.

Of course, I certainly hope that Snaggy and Nitrozac can survive without this source of income.

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rw
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posted June 18, 2002 06:34     Click Here to See the Profile for rw   Click Here to Email rw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sheesh, greycat

JavaScript can be used for good or evil. If you think about it, the purpose of any application is to take control of your computer.
On the Macintosh, most browsers (including IE) let you suppress pop-up windows that are not triggered by a mouse click, without disabling anything else in JavaScript. As far as I can tell, though, the Windows version of IE does not have that feature.

So since they're the ones most affected, maybe the Windows users here should pool together and give Snaggy $150 every month

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uilleann
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posted June 18, 2002 07:33     Click Here to See the Profile for uilleann   Click Here to Email uilleann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Macintosh IE can? I have 5.0/Classic and I was never aware of that, when I ran it. I'm guessing this is a 5.1 feature. Doesn't sound like something Microsoft would do, though. Just checked IE 5.5 and 6, neither seem to offer that feature.

As for greycat, well, some sites need it for site selection pop-up menus (I recall, from when JS was badly implemented in iCab), and it has other uses, such as opening new windows for images, and the like. Generally, I have no problem with it, and with pop-up ads blocked, no problem at all now.

- Uilleann

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FatGnome
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posted June 18, 2002 09:51     Click Here to See the Profile for FatGnome   Click Here to Email FatGnome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, I have IE/WinXP Prof. I got an occasional pop-up but not too many. I never minded shutting them down though I mean realy they don't do that much other than make me click on an extra X. I think I could do that if you need the cash Snaggy.

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Steen
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posted June 18, 2002 10:39     Click Here to See the Profile for Steen   Click Here to Email Steen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
uilleann wrote:
And don't get quantumfluff and Steen started on the matter, either

*laugh*

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greycat
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posted June 19, 2002 13:02     Click Here to See the Profile for greycat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If you think about it, the purpose of any application is to take control of your computer.

No, the purpose of installing a program on my computer is to give me better control of my computer. There is a major difference between running code locally after I take explicit action to install it; and running code that I happen to find somewhere on a web site, whose purpose may be malicious, automatically. Also, Javascript usually runs completely invisibly; it does its nefarious work in the dark shadowy netherworld of your browser. If you knew what it was doing, you would almost certainly not approve.

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well, some sites need it for site selection pop-up menus

Then those sites are badly written. They will not work with all browsers. There is no excuse for that.

A quick Google search for javascript evil turned up several pages, including this interesting one.

Anyone who thinks, oh, Javascript is harmless, it's never done anything bad to me has simply never seen what it can actually do.

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uilleann
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posted June 19, 2002 15:00     Click Here to See the Profile for uilleann   Click Here to Email uilleann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If a site is badly written, do I look like I have a choice in the matter? If I need to access it, then JavaScript must be on :)

And yes, typically, JavaScript has never done me any wrong, although on my surfing I have encountered a Seeker trojan (or whatever F-Secure calls it) on two occasions, that spawns lots of new IE windows and brings it to a halt. However, irregardless of the first time, I brought the second on myself due to some very unsavoury surfing. For the most part, JS is not abused, so I do wonder where you go to pick up these evils, greycat? ;-)

Incidentally, I was going over a site today I'm working on, and checking and fixing all the server-side validation, for people with no JavaScript to validate client-side (with you in mind, for one :) (I hate server-side validation - there's the ever-present risk that clicking back will lose the form (aside: Hrm, maybe I should look into returning a prefilled form with the errors marked, well, probably not actually (cause I'm lazy, for one thing)))

- Uilleann

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<next afternoon> There, when posting that, I felt bad for being lazy, and I have indeed sorted it out so that it hands the form back with an error. Yay. My laziness is not limitless after all… ;)

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Snaggy
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posted June 26, 2002 20:13     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After a week of no pop-ups and pop-unders, I decided to check ad revenue....

I'm turning them back on. Sorry folks.... meesa gotta survive.

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greycat
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posted June 27, 2002 05:39     Click Here to See the Profile for greycat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does the revenue on these ads get computed? Do you get a fixed amount per month, or an amount for every page hit that has the Javascript code for the banner on it, or an amount for each successful execution of the Javascript code that creates the banner ad, or...?

I'm just wondering whether those of us who have disabled Javascript are contributing to your ad revenue without actually seeing the ads, or whether you suffer for having enlightened users. I hope it's the former, of course.

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Snaggy
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posted June 27, 2002 07:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are paid per successful display of the ad, so those with javascript off or who are blocking ads are not contributing to our ad revenue.

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Tau Zero
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posted June 27, 2002 11:25     Click Here to See the Profile for Tau Zero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... so ideally, what we'd have is something which makes it look like the ad displays, but doesn't really do it.

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Bregalad
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posted June 28, 2002 15:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Bregalad   Click Here to Email Bregalad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll have to make sure I visit Geek Culture with a popup enabled browser. I know my copy of Opera 6 at work shows popups so I'll make sure at least one of my home browsers is set to accept them.

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