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TechnoGram
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posted February 21, 2002 07:31     Click Here to See the Profile for TechnoGram   Click Here to Email TechnoGram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Microsoft Program Tracks User Info
Wed Feb 20, 8:20 PM ET
By D. IAN HOPPER, AP Technology Writer

WASHINGTON - Microsoft's new version of its popular Media Player software is logging the songs and movies that customers play.

The company changed its privacy statement Wednesday to notify customers about the technology after inquiries from The Associated Press.

Yeh, and would have left it alone if not asked.


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macadddikt18
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posted February 21, 2002 07:48     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this is another example of how evil microsoft is.
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posted February 21, 2002 08:14     Click Here to See the Profile for EngrBohn   Click Here to Email EngrBohn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am so disillusioned. I can't beli...

sorry, couldn't pull it off.

In 1984, weren't the televisions one way BB kept an eye on people?

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TechnoGram
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posted February 21, 2002 08:32     Click Here to See the Profile for TechnoGram   Click Here to Email TechnoGram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by macadddikt18:
this is another example of how evil microsoft is.
Nayt

My point exactly.

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Originally posted by EngrBohn:
I am so disillusioned. I can't beli...
sorry, couldn't pull it off.

lol... and sure BB used tv's in 1984.


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macadddikt18
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posted February 21, 2002 11:21     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, what the heck is BB?
Nayt

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posted February 21, 2002 11:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Akira   Click Here to Email Akira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Big Brother

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posted February 21, 2002 11:30     Click Here to See the Profile for TechnoGram   Click Here to Email TechnoGram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Akira:
Big Brother


right, and do you notice the similarity in initials? too bad gates is not named bill bates...


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macadddikt18
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posted February 21, 2002 15:04     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It all makes sense now......
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posted February 21, 2002 15:55     Click Here to See the Profile for ZorroTheFox   Click Here to Email ZorroTheFox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so should I call him uncle Gates, or just big bro. I think even Metallica is behind this one............Z

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posted February 21, 2002 17:17     Click Here to See the Profile for Akira   Click Here to Email Akira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Metallica has been anti-fan ever since Napster hit. Don't even get me started -- they'd still be playing low-capacity clubs in San Francisco if it hadn't been for fans trading tapes of their live shows. The only fundamental difference between that and Napster is scale.

There are plenty of hypocrisies in this debate, but there are few that are bigger.

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macadddikt18
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posted February 21, 2002 18:31     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you tell it like it is man.
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posted February 21, 2002 21:18     Click Here to See the Profile for LifetimeTrekker   Click Here to Email LifetimeTrekker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Napster BAD! Beer GOOD!
Microsoft BAD!

Forget it. No way am I gonna refer to MAC as good.

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posted February 22, 2002 05:18     Click Here to See the Profile for trowelblister   Click Here to Email trowelblister     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm surprised why?? Gee, maybe an anti-trust or civil suit could stop their evil progress (ok as part of our punishment, we're gonna indoctrinate an entire NEW generation with our buggy, invasionary products..)

is invasionary a word? didn't think so.

,,,and on the Metallica front: Who'd a thought such a big, tough bunch of heavy metal guys could whine like such babies? Or maybe it was just that Lars weasel....

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posted February 22, 2002 08:19     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
metallica, HA i support Monster Magnet!
Nayt

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posted February 22, 2002 09:19     Click Here to See the Profile for quantumfluff   Click Here to Email quantumfluff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think this is really about Microsoft itself invading your privacy. I think this is just another step towards pervassive Digitial Rights Management (DRM). 'Microsoft the software provider' has put this hook in not for their benefit, but so that, in the future, music and video publishers, as well as 'Microsoft the content provider' may more completely control your viewing/listening experience.

<begin rant>
The issue is not so much spying, as the goal publishers have to control the viewing experience completely. Today you 'own' a copy of a book. You may give that book to someone else. The MPAA and RIAA would like you not to 'own' a copy of a DVD/CD, but rather have a license to view/listen on their terms. That means limiting the range of playback devices you may use, having non-skipable sections (advertisements), limiting the number of playbacks, limiting the countries you can playback in and, most importantly, prohibiting you from selling your copy/license to someone else.
<end rant>

trowelblister: invasive is the word you want.

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posted February 22, 2002 09:30     Click Here to See the Profile for TechnoGram   Click Here to Email TechnoGram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DRM along with lots of other nasty things...

From today's reportage as it shows up on the link in the first post:

quote:
As part of downloading the information about songs and movies from the Web site, the program also transmits an identifier number unique to each user on the computer. That creates the possibility that user habits could be tracked and sold for marketing purposes.

Privacy experts said they feared the log file could be used by investigators, divorce lawyers, snooping family members, marketing companies or others interested in learning about a person's entertainment habits.


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posted February 22, 2002 11:05     Click Here to See the Profile for EngrBohn   Click Here to Email EngrBohn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
- quantumfluff -
trowelblister: invasive is the word you want.

I figured he was going for a play-on-words, kind of like SNL's GW Bush character inventing the term "strategery". Here, make use of MS's loose definition of "visionary" (from "vision"), and change the root to "invasion", creating "invasionary".

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posted February 22, 2002 13:53     Click Here to See the Profile for zorgon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... doubleplusungood ...

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posted February 22, 2002 14:28     Click Here to See the Profile for quantumfluff   Click Here to Email quantumfluff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quantumfluff -trowelblister: invasive is the word you want.
EngrBohn - I figured he was going for a play-on-words...

Maybe, but he spoiled it by asking if 'invasionary' was a word.

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posted February 22, 2002 19:59     Click Here to See the Profile for mto   Click Here to Email mto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EngrBohn:

..."strategery". Here, make use of MS's loose definition of "visionary" (from "vision"), and change the root to "invasion", creating "invasionary".

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The word at work is "marketecture".

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posted February 22, 2002 21:27     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting, all very interesting.......
Nayt

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posted February 22, 2002 21:39     Click Here to See the Profile for ZorroTheFox   Click Here to Email ZorroTheFox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if Metallica is in Bill's back pocket?...............Z

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posted February 23, 2002 12:18     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
would she fit is the question?
Nayt

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+Andrew
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posted February 23, 2002 19:49     Click Here to See the Profile for +Andrew   Click Here to Email +Andrew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure than if Bill's wallet fits in his pocket, just about anything else can too.

-Andrew

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posted February 23, 2002 21:26     Click Here to See the Profile for ZorroTheFox   Click Here to Email ZorroTheFox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
someday everything will be in Bill's back pocket, "He's got the whole world, in his pants" ..................Z

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posted February 23, 2002 21:31     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will fight to keep things out of his pants. The thought that someday i will be in his pants is nasty. I mean i am part of teh world and all.
Nayt

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posted February 24, 2002 08:36     Click Here to See the Profile for MacGoldstein     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since we're talking some 1984 here, you now must understand where my screen name comes from...
oh, and LifetimeTrekker... I think that calling Microsoft bad, and then not following up with Mac GOOD, (although when you capatilize the MAC like you did, i wasn't sure if you were talking about the OS, or the network addresses), you are commiting doublethink.

Your thoughtcrime will be logged, and I'm sending the thought police after you as we speak.

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quantumfluff posted:
<begin rant>
The issue is not so much spying, as the goal publishers have to control the viewing experience completely. Today you 'own' a copy of a book. You may give that book to someone else. The MPAA and RIAA would like you not to 'own' a copy of a DVD/CD, but rather have a license to view/listen on their terms. That means limiting the range of playback devices you may use, having non-skipable sections (advertisements), limiting the number of playbacks, limiting the countries you can playback in and, most importantly, prohibiting you from selling your copy/license to someone else.
<end rant>

DVDs are already somewhat limited in the countries you can playback in. DVD players and DVDs have a location flag; a japanese DVD player can't play american DVDs without changing the flag, and it can only legally be changed a few times
(this is from memory. I apologize if I don't have it exactly right, but something like this is true.)

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posted February 24, 2002 20:13     Click Here to See the Profile for ZorroTheFox   Click Here to Email ZorroTheFox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by macadddikt18:
I will fight to keep things out of his pants. The thought that someday i will be in his pants is nasty. I mean i am part of teh world and all.
Nayt



I didn't mean it literally though I have heard he has lots of room in his pants >;o) ...........Z

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posted February 25, 2002 10:32     Click Here to See the Profile for TechnoGram   Click Here to Email TechnoGram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ZorroTheFox:

I didn't mean it literally though I have heard he has lots of room in his pants >;o) ...........Z

lucky you didn't mean it literally. i mean imagine the -- ewww -- odor.

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posted February 25, 2002 12:53     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
odor, is that all, i mean eww, i could think of a few other things to avoid in his pants.
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posted February 25, 2002 14:19     Click Here to See the Profile for TechnoGram   Click Here to Email TechnoGram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by macadddikt18:
odor, is that all, i mean eww, i could think of a few other things to avoid in his pants.
nayt


lol... you got that right... yu-u-ck


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posted February 25, 2002 15:18     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
makes you want to vomit.
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M$'s end is already at hand.

Wal-Mart is now selling Windoze-free PCs, and little Billy Gates can't do a damn thing about it. Something about Wal-Mart being able to buy M$ with petty cash comes to mind.

All you M$ bootleg are belongs to Ghost Walton.

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heck, I had to take anti-sickness pills just to read this thread >;o) ........Z

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Take the blue pill. and you will never remember any of this.......
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posted February 26, 2002 15:01     Click Here to See the Profile for ZorroTheFox   Click Here to Email ZorroTheFox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what about nuprin, it's little, yellow, different............Z

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posted March 11, 2002 21:15     Click Here to See the Profile for Charisma   Click Here to Email Charisma     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
someone said napster was bad? napster was a small company, not like MS, who had a good idea that worked, again not like MS, and they we're shut down by the big guns. I miss Napster... *sniff

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That's alright it has now been realized that Winblows XP's speech recognition comes turned on by default. No wait it gets better, even though your microphone is turned off 'phantom' characters appear from conversations in documents. Ok so now we realize they track what we watch and say... what next think?? One more reason to love my old indigo ibook... no spyware.
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Yes hacking is a crime. But is spying? M$ does not think so obviously.

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posted March 12, 2002 19:53     Click Here to See the Profile for TechnoGram   Click Here to Email TechnoGram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't run xp, and hadn't heard about the speech recognition problem. but i decided long ago that when and if i have to upgrade my operating system -- which i'll prolly have to do -- i'm going to linux.

the evil ones in redmond have gotten way too evil for me. and yes, i do run windows, but never will again.

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