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macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted January 22, 2002 19:34
While i was crusing along the net i came across an interesting article. Stanford University political scientist Norman H. Nie is in the middle of working on a study examining the effects that the Internet has had on everyday life and is so far disputing the idea that the Internet enhances people's social interactions. He contends that the Internet isolates people from one another.
quote: Of course if you spend time on the Internet you'll have less time to spend with other people. While I somewhat agree that Internet usage spreads people's attention and productivity even thinner than it already is, I'd be willing to risk saying that Solitaire, probably the most played game around the world, has accounted for as much cumulative lost productivity as internet usage. ------------------ IP: Logged |
The Annoyed Cockroach unregistered |
posted January 22, 2002 19:41
You make an interesting point, sir Nayt. Though the formula holds true for most things; everything in moderation, somebody once said. IP: Logged |
sniper Geek Posts: 75 |
posted January 22, 2002 20:28
the internet makes me far more social. before i became obsessed with my macs, i spent most of my time playing video games. that was something i did completely by myself. now that i'm on the net constantly, i use aol im, i send emails, i post in forums such as these, and participate in online games. these activities have introduced me to new people, and catalyzed interaction with people i see at school. if it wasn't for the internet, i'd be completely anti-social and introverted. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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posted January 22, 2002 23:01
I met my beautiful, highly intelligent, funny, smart girlfriend on the net. 'nuff said! IP: Logged |
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posted January 22, 2002 23:02
I met my beautiful, highly intelligent, funny, smart girlfriend on the net. 'nuff said! IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted January 23, 2002 05:31
While i tend to be the great out doors type in the summer, the internet does give me a social life in the winter when i am to busy with school and work to be out enjoying the outdoors. Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
Akira Super Geek Posts: 182 |
posted January 23, 2002 09:53
Studies like this are bogus, for one, simple reason -- the scientific community has yet to come to an agreed-upon definition of what exactly defines "Internet use." Until such a time, every study that comes out to point out how using the Internet turns you into a moronic, depressed zombie (as well as every study that comes out to counter those studies) is useless, because each study has a unique and totally subjective definition of what constitutes using the Internet. This forum is a perfect example. What do we find here? People engaging in debates, greeting their friends, making new friends, and even trying to get dates. Sounds pretty social to me! Try doing all that in a bar that you walk into for the first time...I somehow doubt the results will be as successful. The fact of the matter is that its almost impossible to use the Internet for any appreciable length of time without engaging in some form of social interaction--even if it's as simple as sending an email. By contrast, a great number of people can make it through an entire day at the office without engaging their coworkers socially, except insofar as what is necessary to get their work done. So much time and money spent on useless studies. I think Mark Twain said it best: "Statistics are like ladies of the evening -- once you get them down, you can do anything with them." ------------------ IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted January 23, 2002 10:16
i think one could also say that all generalazations are false. It is It depends on who they look at in the study and what that person is allowed to do online. Maybe if they sampled us, they would find, we are more social online than off. Then that would screw them all up. Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
joliet_jane Super Geek Posts: 140 |
posted January 23, 2002 10:45
Even *if* it can be proven that excessive internet use = social isolation, it's still making a correlation where one does not really exsist! If one is not the sort who does not perfer spending his or her time talking w/ people, he or she will be doing something else, hence the "bookworm" sorts of people that have been around for decades. Those inclined to spend lots of time online may have been already likely to do so before discovering the Web. I've never been gregarious, and it was certianly that way loooong before I got my first home connection in 1998. Plus, "real" and "internet" social groups and people are a lot allike. Ex.: I'm socially inadpet in celluiod *and* on the internet: I say stupid things all the time and I e-mail, post, and IM stupid things all the time also. The study proves nothing. IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted January 23, 2002 10:53
quote: That is along the lines of introverts and extroverts. I agree. Not everyone is a social person. Which is another flaw in the study. ------------------ IP: Logged |
Steen SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1162 |
posted January 23, 2002 11:52
I think the results of the survey owe more to misinterpretation and sensationalism more than anything else. The author started with the notion that the internet causes isolation and, since he found internet users had a lower percentage of sociable people, he wrongly assumed there was a causal relationship. The problem with that reasoning is that internet will never be the social outlet of the most sociable people. Those are the people who tend to desire more face to face interaction with others and the internet doesn't provide that. Filtering out the most sociable members of any group will automatically result in the remaining group being less sociable than the group as a whole was. In this case, internet usage served as the filter, but almost any public/non-public criteria will serve. Remove the people who enjoy clam bakes and beach parties, for example, and the average sociability in a group will go down, but nobody is going to claim that eating clams and exposure to sand will make you more sociable. IP: Logged |
Akira Super Geek Posts: 182 |
posted January 23, 2002 12:11
For yet another example of how scientific research can be presented in a misrepresenting manner, here's a line I just read in a study about the perceptions of people who live in London. See if you can spot the author's bias: "Eight out of 10 Londoners generally enjoy living here, but one in five would leave London if they could." The full article, for reference, can be found here. ------------------ IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted January 23, 2002 18:59
Science in general is flawed. It is not limited to the reasearch, it is flawed all over. nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
Evilbunny Highlie Posts: 614 |
posted January 26, 2002 22:50
Intresting. "The study concludes that Internet use at home has a strong negative impact on time spent with friends and family, while Internet use at work decreases the time spent with colleagues." Same with washing the dishes or mowing the lawn! IP: Logged |
ASM65816 Geek Posts: 85 |
posted January 27, 2002 08:28
I suppose that it is possible that Chat-bots and other applications pass the Turing test with ease...... ... but I still figure that most Chat Rooms consist (almost entirely) of humans. I have a feeling that some define Social as: Acting in a manner which strongly resembles the behavior seen in Commercials and Network Television Programming. Other than that, the Internet has only experienced high activity in a few short years, as opposed to Social activity in cultures which have evolved over centuries. Social activity has been used to ostricize individuals or groups for ages: based on race, religion, ancestry, wealth, change in beliefs (like saying that the Earth revolves around the sun), etc. If anything, Geeks and other Internet critters tend to discriminate against: ignorance, stupidity, herd mentality, and sadism. (Note: Yes, there are Trolls, Flame-Baiters, and Spammers, but I'm just making a generalization.) ------------------ IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted January 27, 2002 14:30
All generalazations are false. Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
Akira Super Geek Posts: 182 |
posted January 30, 2002 08:58
quote: You do realize that's a contradiction in terms, right? ------------------ IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted January 30, 2002 10:28
yes,that is what is so amusing about it. HEHE Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
donnab Mini-Geek Posts: 56 |
posted January 30, 2002 20:13
Nah, if I wasn't surfing the net I'd be watching TV. Now I just listen to the TV while surfing the net. My family is sleeping, so they aren't missing any "quality time" with me at all : ) IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted January 31, 2002 05:50
Interesting. I know it drives my parets nuts when i have the radio on, the tv on , and am listening to music while surfing the net. They can't understand how i can concentrate on the computer. Sounds somewhat familer. Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted February 06, 2002 20:15
I SAY, I AM NOT ANTI SOCIAL, THIS POST PROVES IT! Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
ZorroTheFox SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1117 |
posted February 07, 2002 17:29
I am not anti-social, it is just that everyone I talk to seems so boring..........Z IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted February 08, 2002 10:11
I understand Zorro, that is why i post on this board. People hear seem much more intellegant. Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
Tau Zero BlabberMouth, the Next Generation. Posts: 1685 |
posted February 08, 2002 11:14
quote:Nayt, eye can reed what ewe right, but yore bad speling and grammar make it hard two understand. Wood yew try too improve a bit? IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted February 08, 2002 11:19
Oh, i can try, but i am not sure it will get to much better. You are dealing with someone who can't spell very well, but has a big vocabulary. I will make an effert, but there is only so much a Dyslexic kid can do. Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
Akira Super Geek Posts: 182 |
posted February 08, 2002 11:56
quote: Can I recommend an unprecedentedly useful little utility called SpellCatcher? I too suffer from dyslexia (thankfully mild but still annoying) and literally could not function without SC. It sits in the background and analyzes your keystrokes, alerting you when you've made a spelling error in ANY application. It's also configured to automatically correct many of the errors most common among dyslexics. It also has an unbelievable amount of options for customization and includes dictionaries for legal, medical, and geek terms, along with the ability to add your own. Oh yeah, and it's available for Mac and Windows, though no OS X version yet. *nix users are out of luck, though. full details available at http://www.spellcatcher.com (for the record -- I have absolutely no affiliation with the company or the product beyond being a VERY satisfied customer) ------------------ IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted February 08, 2002 12:08
Hey, that is cool, I will check it out. In the mean time I just type up my posts in MS Word and paste them in here. I will check out that app though. Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
donnab Mini-Geek Posts: 56 |
posted February 08, 2002 18:02
quote: You can spell things any way you want. "Judge not, lest yee be judged yourself" or something like that. We all still know what you mean. I have a pro keyboard that randomly repeats letters, and sometimes I'm just too darned lazy to correct. Who cares? Don't even worry about it. ------------------ IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted February 10, 2002 10:16
Bad spellers of the world Untie! Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
ZorroTheFox SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1117 |
posted February 10, 2002 19:52
First they take away out freedom to mispell, then they take away our freedom of thought, it's 1984 all over again........Z IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted February 10, 2002 19:54
I can smell a revolution. Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
ZorroTheFox SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1117 |
posted February 11, 2002 16:44
Do revolutions smell revolting?..........Z IP: Logged |
ASM65816 Geek Posts: 85 |
posted February 12, 2002 00:39
From "History of the World, Part I" Servant: "Sire, the peasants are revolting !" King: "I know. They stink on ice." ------------------ IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted February 12, 2002 06:06
I guess revolutions do smell revolting then. Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
ZorroTheFox SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1117 |
posted February 12, 2002 19:41
quote: one of My all time favorite movies.......Z IP: Logged |
macadddikt18 SuperBlabberMouth! Posts: 1126 |
posted February 12, 2002 19:42
Never saw it. Nayt ------------------ IP: Logged |
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