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Nitrozac
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posted January 07, 2002 11:37     Click Here to See the Profile for Nitrozac   Click Here to Email Nitrozac     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oooOOooo... I like, I like! The flat screen floating - oo La laaaa! The half sphere base - mmm solid. The G4 Super Drive - OMG! 800 MHZ - Racin'! (remember the MegaHertz Myth?)

I think it's a good evolutionary step for a flat screen iMac. I think the hype was a lot of fun for us obsessed Mac fans. Thanks Apple! It was a very enjoyable keynote, with truly covetable products. Insanely Great Work!

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posted January 07, 2002 12:12     Click Here to See the Profile for joliet_jane   Click Here to Email joliet_jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why is it called the new iMac when it's nothing at all like an iMac? The iMac line should've been ended officially, and this one could start anew with a different title.

BTW, I thought the whole point of the iMac was its afforadability to regular folks. Sure, everybody wants one, but is everyone willing to pay?

Another "BTW": I missed the keynote!

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posted January 07, 2002 12:33     Click Here to See the Profile for curlysimon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like a lamp...

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Zwilnik
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posted January 07, 2002 12:55     Click Here to See the Profile for Zwilnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love it!

This is the first Mac released that's been stylish enough, quiet enough and powerful enough to potentially replace my G4 Cube. Especially the Superdrive model

I'll have to start saving!
(btw as to affordability, the original Bondi iMac was a similar price to the $1299 one when it was first released, expect the usage of flat screen on the iMac 2 to bring prices down as it becomes the standard)

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posted January 07, 2002 12:58     Click Here to See the Profile for +Andrew   Click Here to Email +Andrew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks pretty cool, but I think the fact that the 15" LCD only does 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768 is pretty limiting. On top of that, external monitors on the VGA out port are limited to the same. But I'm probably just spoiled from using a laptop with a 15" LCD capable of 1600x1200..

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Nitrozac
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posted January 07, 2002 13:27     Click Here to See the Profile for Nitrozac   Click Here to Email Nitrozac     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh that's a good idea Joliet Jane! It is a strong departure from the original iMacs, that it does warrant a new name, and that would have been exciting in itself.

That would be great if Apple could make a little cheapie. Something simple, small and cheap. I don't think that's their thing though. They make the best product possible and price accordingly. They leave the cheapies to other companies. But the other companies can't make a cheapie that could run a Mac OS.

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posted January 07, 2002 13:38     Click Here to See the Profile for Lex   Click Here to Email Lex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right now the "cheapie" is the old iMac, at least as long as they have them in stock.

I like it much, and my desktop G4 seems a bit nervous about this. While I'd rather replace both my Macs with a nice powerful new PowerBook, the high end iMac is now about as powerful as it is and with much less of a footprint. I could ditch the bulky tower and CRT for a nice sleek SuperDrive equipped iMac and probably still have money left over from the trade-in.

But I think I'll wait, at least until there is a PowerBook update. I'm hoping for G5s in Tokyo.

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Its OK, but since already have a monitor, I was hoping for G5 or G4+ based towers. (in addition to the new iMac)

Esp considering my hard drive is in its last days (and SCSI 2 drives are harder to find)

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posted January 07, 2002 13:59     Click Here to See the Profile for CrawGator   Click Here to Email CrawGator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pros:
It's quite stylish
The OS is robust
It could fit in very small spaces
It seems fairly simple to implement the iPhoto, iDvd, etc. (plug in play that actually works right)

Cons:
It doesn't use the latest Graphics chipset from NVidia. (come on at least offer it with the high end model)
No 17" LCD model offered (again at least offer it in a high end model)
As +Andrew stated highest resolution is 1024x768. (What?!?! at least allow people to use the full power of that graphics chip)

Other thoughts & observations:
I am guessing that you will not be able to upgrade the processor since he opened the bottom of the case all you could see was the airport card and the RAM. That would be a big disapointment for a hardware geek like me.
I expected Steve to open a word processor, turn the monitor on its' side, and have it switch to a portait mode automatically. Sigh, maybe I was expecting too much.

Am I (an intel/AMD/Windows/Linux user) impressed? Yes, I like it very much (looks like something out of Star Trek:TNG). Apple has reclaimed the innovative spirit of its' past. I remember when the Newton came out. I thought back then that it was something "ahead of its' time". I am thinking that the new iMac, instead of being "ahead of its' time", might be "about time". And this time the new product is affordable (unlike the Newton which was outrageously priced).

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posted January 07, 2002 14:37     Click Here to See the Profile for DaraSue   Click Here to Email DaraSue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by joliet_jane:
Another "BTW": I missed the keynote!

You know, they save the old keynotes, so you can still watch them even if you missed it when it was on live. Today's is here, and if you do a search for "steve jobs macworld keynote" you can find some of the older ones (you have to go thru a few pages of results, but they're there, or at least they used to be. And one of them is the one where he's talking about the lickability of OS X, so prepare to be lustwhammied ).

I'm gonna watch it later, after I've taken a nap and can be awake enough to enjoy it

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posted January 07, 2002 15:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Evilbunny   Click Here to Email Evilbunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What the HECK? The base is all wierd! Where is the zip drive and how many USB ports does it have? This is the wairdest thing I have EVER seen!

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joliet_jane
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posted January 07, 2002 15:49     Click Here to See the Profile for joliet_jane   Click Here to Email joliet_jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DaraSue:
You know, they save the old keynotes, so you can still watch them even if you missed it when it was on live.

Yeah, I was trying to see the keynote that way, but "watch now" doesn't seem to do anything when I click it. I thought my QT needed updating, and in trying that I found that the server is busy.

Well, Of course it is! I'll wait 'till later.

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Zwilnik
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posted January 07, 2002 15:53     Click Here to See the Profile for Zwilnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No Zip drive (they went out just after the floppy), but a Superdrive (DVD-RW yay!) and 3 USB ports at the back with another 2 on the keyboard.

Have a look at the Quicktime VR 'walkaround' on the iMac page at apple.com

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posted January 07, 2002 16:24     Click Here to See the Profile for sniper   Click Here to Email sniper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CrawGator:
No 17" LCD model offered (again at least offer it in a high end model)

I am guessing that you will not be able to upgrade the processor since he opened the bottom of the case all you could see was the airport card and the RAM. That would be a big disapointment for a hardware geek like me.


it's an imac. it's not designed to be a high end model. it's not designed to be highly customizable. it's an imac.

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posted January 07, 2002 17:07     Click Here to See the Profile for homesalad   Click Here to Email homesalad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I had 1800 bucks to buy a new computer with, I'd get one in a flash. Too bad that I don't though. Bummer. maybe soon though...

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posted January 07, 2002 17:08     Click Here to See the Profile for Bregalad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The new iMac is very cool. Although my first impression of it when Steve wanted to show off its thinness side was "where's the lampshade?", I prefer this design to almost everything I've seen at rumour sites and the Geek Culture LCD iMac contest. It's a powerful computer in a tiny form factor that proves the Cube was worth making, if only to get iMac II right. I liked the Cube, but it wasn't positioned properly in the marketplace.

The only thing that I don't like about the new iMac is the 1024x768 limit on the display. I knew that's what it would be so I'm not surprised or disappointed, it just confirms that it's not a machine for me. I hooked up a 15" LCD to my G4/450DP recently to reduce eyestrain during Age of Empires II and there's not enough screen real estate there. MacOS X needs more space to spread out.

The rest of the keynote was OK, but not exciting: look, more lame software demos; and the 14" iBook everybody was expecting last year; and the iPhoto app everybody was expecting last year (it looks great, however); and now that our entry level machine is fast enough to run OS X without people noticing how slow the OS is, we're making it the default.

I'm serious about that last point. I booted my G4 into MacOS 9 last night for the first time in months to do some quick work in PageMaker and was absolutely blown away by how fast my computer is. The document opened in 3 seconds and that included the time to launch PageMaker. I'd forgotten what it was like to have things scroll so fast you can't keep track of them, thus forgetting just how angry I was at Formac for not doing OS X drivers for my video card. MacOS X is supposed to be taking advantage of my second processor, but most things still happen much more quickly in the old OS. Ah, the price we pay for progress.

I am confused/worried about the lack of any news on the G4 tower front. They just look hopelessly overpriced now. Not that they've ever been particularly affordable in the land of the 63 cent dollar, but I just can't figure out how Steve thinks he can get away with charging over US$1000 for some PCI slots and 3.5" drive bays. The tower must be cheaper to build than the iMac base because it uses off-the-shelf components while the iMac is all miniaturized like a notebook.

I'm looking forward to an Apple Event in the near future that shows off new GHz G4 or G5 towers and stand alone LCD displays. A 23" 1920x1200 Cinema Display would be nice. So would a winning lottery ticket

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posted January 07, 2002 17:16     Click Here to See the Profile for CrawGator   Click Here to Email CrawGator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Sniper,

As I said I am not a Mac person. And speaking as such, I see those two things as deficiencies. After all if you compare the specs of the high end iMac to the low end G4 Power Mac, the iMac actually comes out the superior machine at a better deal hands down. If it could be upgraded like I mentioned in my previous post, and I had the money, I'd probably buy one. Especially since I could get an educator's discount.

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Love the iMac, I'll probably buy one for my brother, he's a wintel user. I'm waiting for the G5 however, I don't think we've seen everything that this macworld has to offer... but then I still believe in world peace, and things of that ilk.

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A quick swivel into a portrait mode would be nice; see http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=005264 for some discussion on the topic.

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posted January 08, 2002 05:29     Click Here to See the Profile for trowelblister   Click Here to Email trowelblister     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While it does look funky inna space-age art deco way (is that possible?),I like that space-age looking crap. The swing arm bitseems convenient too. Also, it's a 800mhz G4 with a superdrive, flat screen, and Geforce 32 card that I could probably afford. The 800 G4 desktop has stubbornly stayed outside of my price range,,,,,,

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posted January 08, 2002 05:58     Click Here to See the Profile for Swiss Mercenary   Click Here to Email Swiss Mercenary     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like it, despite it looking like a lamp, and am thinking about buying one, along with an iPod now. Or maybe the 14" iBook, especially as they are the same price as the 800 MHz iMac's in Switzerland.
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Why is it called the new iMac when it's nothing at all like an iMac? The iMac line should've been ended officially, and this one could start anew with a different title.
BTW, I thought the whole point of the iMac was its afforadability to regular folks. Sure, everybody wants one, but is everyone willing to pay?


The i in iMac stands for Internet, if I remember correctly, that is why they kept the name. I also heard that they were going to keep producing the older model iMacs as they are cheaper for schools etc.

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posted January 08, 2002 07:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Geekatrix     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh no! My Favorite Geek NEEDS one now! How am I supposed to scrape together a down payment for a house when Apple keeps releasing cool hardware that he can't live without????

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posted January 08, 2002 07:33     Click Here to See the Profile for Dahak   Click Here to Email Dahak     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like it! I don't have $1299 myself right now, but by this time next year I hope to have the new iMacs sitting on a few desks where I work. (The copywriters at my company currently work on Bondi Rev B iMacs that I'm planning on retiring next year when I do the upgrade to OS X for our creative department.) Combining the small desktop footprint with a wireless network will make for a very sweet setup indeed.

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posted January 08, 2002 08:44     Click Here to See the Profile for iballoondesign   Click Here to Email iballoondesign     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The new iMac I see is very impressive design that offers the simple experience than the lamp. I wish that they would offer two different views in horizontal and vertical. A disappointment, G4 couldn't break 1 GHz. It's still very expensive than Gateway. Compare to that offer LCD 15", 1.5 GHz P4, 20 GB, and 248 MBRAM for $999. (Plus tax, *scoff*)

The desktop at the bottom is very interest - such a small motherboard like G4 Cube as idea. Only it offers one CD-RW to DVD-R, no more drive. At least, I could use my zip drive in external. There is nothing to worry, right?

iPhoto is wonder to solution with digital camera. Any dumb would need that. Not me, i prefer use in Photoshop to edit myself.

I hear the rumor that there is new iMac come with 17" or 19" LCD??? Who know? Come on, Steven Job, make iMac grow up!

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posted January 08, 2002 08:55     Click Here to See the Profile for trowelblister   Click Here to Email trowelblister     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Geekatrix:
Oh no! My Favorite Geek NEEDS one now! How am I supposed to scrape together a down payment for a house when Apple keeps releasing cool hardware that he can't live without????

Having the same issue myself,,,,

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99% of consumers, for whom the iMac is designed, never "go under the hood", so to speak. You definitely sound like a pro user, and the iMac is not for you. See, some people don't like ripping a computer's guts out, investigating its entrails, and improving on it. Some of us just like to work with beautiful, powerful, affordable, elegant machines.

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posted January 08, 2002 09:23     Click Here to See the Profile for Zwilnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to get one later this year to replace my Cube, but I've just seen the UK prices on the Apple Store. £1600 for the $1799 high end machine. Even after VAT that's a major price hike (especially when they're being made in Ireland).

I think they're extremely good value for money in the US, but not so good here.

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posted January 08, 2002 13:01     Click Here to See the Profile for Steen   Click Here to Email Steen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks nice, although it's not a design that I would personally want. They really should offer it with a larger screen, however, if only as an option. It does have a video out, which would allow you to hook a better monitor to the unit, but that's a klunky solution and the specifications page seems to indicate that the video out is still going to be limited to 1024x768, despite the fact that the chipset is quite capable of 1920x1200 resolution.

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posted January 08, 2002 13:20     Click Here to See the Profile for theJacob   Click Here to Email theJacob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I'll get one this summer, when the new models come out and these are priced down a bit.

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standart 1.33:1 display is a big disappointment. they got to add a 16:9 lcd version to the line. the rest is more than ok.

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uhhhh what happens in 6 months when that chrome rod gets tired and the joints fail. i can just see 6 million imac users propping their slouching lcds up with duct tape, books, superglue, nuts and bolts, etc. Can anyone say viagra?

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posted January 08, 2002 13:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Zwilnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the joints are properly bearinged and machined, then they should be good for a few years. Unless you spend all day shaking the screen around.

As a side note (and possible project for the hardware minded) a USB controlled servo kit for the arm would be *VERY* cool

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posted January 08, 2002 14:10     Click Here to See the Profile for Tau Zero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
USB would be gross overkill.  Something like I²C would be more like it.

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posted January 08, 2002 14:14     Click Here to See the Profile for joliet_jane   Click Here to Email joliet_jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh, How about breaking the arm on purpose and moving the screen elsewhere? The folks who hang out at applefritter.com would'nt be able to resist. And if someone there made a 21-in. screen oldskool iMac, the new one will be a cinch.

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posted January 08, 2002 22:56     Click Here to See the Profile for DigitalBill   Click Here to Email DigitalBill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep... I like it...

Went down to the show this morning and people were waiting 4 deep to see it... Apple has 6 rows of them at the show...

check out my pics from the show at http://www.maccenter.com/news/2002/mwsf/Gallery2/index.htm

And, sadly, I'll have to get one of these, too... I mean, it's perfect for the living room... and the bedroom (though the TiBook's usually in there)... Just think, log into my house server via Airport, and access my photo archive with iPhoto... leave that cool slideshow running when I'm not surfing with it and it becomes, as Jonathan Ives said, art.

BTW, iPhoto has some shortcomings like how it names and dates the "Rolls" and that you can't rename the rolls, only make Albums with your names, you can't re-order or sort albums, and the pictures all will be stored in a strange hiearchy in /users/you/pictures/iPhoto Library/. But, it's a 1-point-0 product, and look how far iTunes has come...

Yea, maybe I need 2... or three for the house... replace my Bondi iMac? Hmmm....

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posted January 09, 2002 06:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Fuzzy Bunny   Click Here to Email Fuzzy Bunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I think it looks like a gumdrop with a monitor on it.

They did it that way for the Motherboard?
hmmm how many G4 and P4 motherboards go the other way?

BTW Nitro, the Myth will soon be crushed when Apple has to start putting P4's in there machines. Seems that the G4 well is about to run dry and can't get any faster.

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posted January 09, 2002 09:15     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They did it that way for the Motherboard?

I think it was for the SuperDrive, not the motherboard. Also, I believe there were lofter reasons of design, to keep the monitor flat, and to free it from the cpu so it would "float".

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yep as was already mentioned - it looks like a $1500 desklamp, with an arm that's gonna fail and have to be held up with ductape after a year (but a robotic-ized arm WOULD be 1337!

i haven't read any specs on it as yet, all i saw was what it looked like, and the price


hell if i had $1500+ to blow on a computer, i'd build something to win against Alienware, and have a VM to run MacOS9, with spare CPU and ram left over to run Quake at full 21" 1600x1200 85hz IN the VM

a 15" screen? that's nuts, not to mention that it's LOW resolution

i must have missed it, but i don't see a SSCSI port anywhere, and only 3 USB? i have a printer, camera, gamepad, joystick and zip drive to connect - so i gotta get a USB hub to connect them all


how big is the hdd? can you add another one? i don't see enough space in that to add a stick of gum, much less another hdd

i see zero future for me getting anything even resembling this, it costs too much, it has NO upgradeability, and the OS kinda sucks (i'd have to wipe it and put OS9 on it)

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posted January 09, 2002 11:32     Click Here to See the Profile for nutty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
me like too

otto matic(the game that comes with it) is great also.

now to convince the wife we need yet another machine. . .

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This is perfect for university labs. It is a major "upgrade" to what I currently support, which my university bought last June: G4/466's. And the middle model easily falls under our very cheap price point of $1500 for the full package (CPU and monitor--education price).

And the students will just gravitate too them...

A coworker of mine ordered one just as a "decoration". He said he isn't even going to use it (yeah, right).

Reminds me of a G4 cube, only BETTER as far as a non-pro-user is concerned (and cheaper...).

Mac OS X doesn't suck. I can't wait to get rid of Mac OS 9 forever.

And can you connect a keyboard, printer, camera, gamepad, joystick, and zip at the same time to any computer without a USB hub or expansion card?

I think Steve's comment about the motherboard being vertical refers
to the cables. The ports are soldered onto the mother board horizontally and so the cables would have to dangle off of the side of the LCD if it were parallel. However, I don't see why the ports
couldn't be soldered vertically so that the ports would be on the back towards the bottom (of a CRT-iMac-with-the-back-hacksawed-off)...

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