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iMat
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posted April 01, 2002 14:50     Click Here to See the Profile for iMat   Click Here to Email iMat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have had a question which may sound simple, but it will drive you all crazy. The universe is expanding all the time right? Well, what is it expanding into?

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If you can break through the Universe, what is there?

and also, some people beleive in the big bang theory. well, if the big bang theory was true, how could there be a bang without any matter to begin with?

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posted April 01, 2002 16:23     Click Here to See the Profile for Avatar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All matter and all energy is part of the universe. The edge or boundary of the universe is the outermost energy or matter. If you were to fly space ship faster than the speed of light through the edge of the universe, your ship would become the new edge of the universe.

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The universe is defined as somethingness and anything outside of the universe is defined as nothingness. When something from the universe enters the nothingness, the nothingness becomes somethingness and is now part of the universe.

As for the Big Bang theory, I don't really have any theories about what came before or caused the big bang, and I would like to hear what some others have to say.

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Erbo
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posted April 01, 2002 20:01     Click Here to See the Profile for Erbo   Click Here to Email Erbo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's an old philosophical joke that is subtler than it looks:

Question: Why is the Universe here?

Answer: Where else would it be?

By definition, those of us in the Universe (i.e. everybody we know about, and then some) can't know what came before or caused the Big Bang, because that is literally the moment when Time itself began for this universe. I can't even come up with a good analogy for it because every single analogy presupposes that we can "get outside it" and observe it from that perspective.

It is entirely possible that some creating entity is responsible for the Big Bang. But there is absolutely no way for us to know, because we can't step out of our Universe. (You can believe whatever you like; believing doesn't necessarily make it so. Then again, your beliefs might just be correct to ten decimal places. Who knows? Not I.)

It is possible that, if the universe is closed in four-space, if you were to attempt to fly out beyond the edge of the Universe, you would eventually return to your starting point. If that's the case, then the "expanding universe" could be the four-dimensional surface of a five-dimensional sphere whose radius is continually increasing.

Does this make any sense? If not, have another beer.

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iballoondesign
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posted April 05, 2002 01:09     Click Here to See the Profile for iballoondesign   Click Here to Email iballoondesign     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there are some big bang somwhere in my body, such tiny tiny tiny where you cannot see there. It create it own world way it create the cell to skin, to dead skin. *gasp* that would be black hole??? Size doesn't matter, huh?

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gengi
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posted April 05, 2002 07:01     Click Here to See the Profile for gengi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dear iMat,

Your question reminds me of a BC comic from a few decades back.
Remember when Peter proclaimed himself "The Smartest Man in the World"?
Well, one day he explained to his companions where dew comes from:
During the day the sun's out and it's warm, then at night it's cold. Consequently, when we wake up in the morning, there's dew all over everything!
"You're a genius, Peter," B.C. said.

same for the universe.
we wake up in the morning, and it's all over everything.

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GameMaster
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posted April 05, 2002 22:27     Click Here to See the Profile for GameMaster   Click Here to Email GameMaster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The universe, acording to philosophers -
Descartes: It doesn't exsist, I merely think it does.
Nietchze(sp?): I am the Ubber Man, I bend the universe to my will.

any more for list?

Personally, I believe in a "Big Bang" a Time = 0... That of course doesn'tmean that there isn't a larger time line or some form of deity.

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