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Balanco00
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posted February 07, 2001 13:32           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many other people out there use
a CLI extensively, and like it more
than a GUI? I am a command line junkie, and
whether it's Dos, a Linux console, or
even a console built into many games
I can't tear mysel;f away from that kind
of interface. I like it far better than pointing and clicking.

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sflory
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posted February 07, 2001 23:04     Click Here to See the Profile for sflory   Click Here to Email sflory     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've become adicted to the bash command, and the basic linux utilities. I find myself installing the basic GNU tools on any system I use. Heck I even installed cygnus-win on my windows gaming box.

It takes me several seconds to come to terms with a system without commandline completion, and recursive history searches. I've been known to use a history search to retrive to letter commands;-) (Which is kind of pointless as a search requires control-r and at least one other key.)

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supaboy
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posted February 08, 2001 08:53     Click Here to See the Profile for supaboy   Click Here to Email supaboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mmmm... Command completion... Tasty!

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MrMachineCode
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posted February 08, 2001 22:09     Click Here to See the Profile for MrMachineCode   Click Here to Email MrMachineCode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I often run a GUI and a command line at the same time, such as a DOS box on my Windows desktop. I switch between the GUI and the command line while I'm working so that I'm always using whichever happens to be most efficient for the job. Usually I can get things done faster with the command line, but there are situations, such as when I am doing something with multiple directories, when a GUI is more efficient. Typing "cd\-insanely long directory path-" every five seconds tends to waste time.

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redelvis
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posted February 09, 2001 17:12     Click Here to See the Profile for redelvis   Click Here to Email redelvis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with other others here - I use the command line interface all the time. I feel like when I do, I'm in control.

I was talking to one of the younger geeks at my company and I said "And of course you've used command line FTP before, right?" I got a blank stare. It felt like such a generational difference. I felt old.


By the way, do you know the tip to get command completion on WinNT? It's sooooo useful for long file names.

In regedit check out:
HK_CU\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor

Change CompletionChar from its default to 9 decimal (tab key). Then you can get a little more power from your dos shell....

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MeckaMon
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posted February 09, 2001 17:49     Click Here to See the Profile for MeckaMon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use a GUI, but all my real work is done in the konsole. (Yup, I'm a KDE kind of guy). And command line ftp is cool, even if the commands aren't that great (i.e. why can't I 'put *'?!)

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balanco00
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posted February 10, 2001 14:21           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Has anyone here ever built their own command line interface (interpreter)
into a script or batch file (I
have no life ? I wonder if I am the
only one who has done it.

I do have a "general purpose" batch
file that I use everyday that has this,
http://www.geocities.com/balanco01/photo_update.zip

Be aware that the code is pretty ugly,
and is buggy. The documentation isn't
great either, but it does the job

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Greg Wooledge
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posted February 11, 2001 09:43     Click Here to See the Profile for Greg Wooledge   Click Here to Email Greg Wooledge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
why can't I 'put *'?

You can mput * (or mput *.* if this is DOS).

I have no idea why those are two separate commands in the standard command-line FTP client, though.

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redelvis
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posted February 11, 2001 14:25     Click Here to See the Profile for redelvis   Click Here to Email redelvis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
balanco00,

what made you feel like you needed to write one? Was there some feature you needed that didn't exist in others already?

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supaboy
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posted February 12, 2001 14:06     Click Here to See the Profile for supaboy   Click Here to Email supaboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by redelvis:
I was talking to one of the younger geeks at my company and I said "And of course you've used command line FTP before, right?" I got a blank stare. It felt like such a generational difference. I felt old.

I remember, back before the September that never ended, I mentioned FTPing a file from a server in Japan. The person I was talking to looked at me funny, and then asked if that was legal.


Originally posted by redelvis:
By the way, do you know the tip to get command completion on WinNT? It's sooooo useful for long file names.

Thank you! I hadn't got around to looking for it yet. Works better now.

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balanco00
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posted February 12, 2001 14:18           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by redelvis:
balanco00,

what made you feel like you needed to write one? Was there some feature you needed that didn't exist in others already?



I just did it because I wanted to

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Petethelate
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posted February 12, 2001 18:21     Click Here to See the Profile for Petethelate   Click Here to Email Petethelate     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Greg Wooledge:
You can mput * (or mput *.* if this is DOS).

I have no idea why those are two separate commands in the standard command-line FTP client, though.


Not sure, but I'd guess that the delta between put and mput is for batch usage of ftp. since put doesn't prompt, and mput * will prompt (unless you disable prompting), it lends a slight amount of safety in writing scripts.

In other words, I dunno.

Pete

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MeckaMon
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posted February 12, 2001 21:37     Click Here to See the Profile for MeckaMon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
balanco00:

Don't worry. You're not the only one who wrote a shell. I did too, though mine's rather short. Here it is:

#!/usr/bin/perl

while (<>) {eval; print $@; }

"All programs can be reduced to a Perl one-liner."

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resedit
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posted February 26, 2001 01:47     Click Here to See the Profile for resedit   Click Here to Email resedit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love the cli.

Typically have at least 6 terminals open at all times.

Its really the best way to go, 'cause X is so slow over the network.

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resedit
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posted February 26, 2001 01:49     Click Here to See the Profile for resedit   Click Here to Email resedit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

I was talking to one of the younger geeks at my company and I said "And of course you've used command line FTP before, right?" I got a blank stare. It felt like such a generational difference. I felt old.

Yeah- all these young 'uns prefer scp...

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100%TotallyNude
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posted March 07, 2001 13:48     Click Here to See the Profile for 100%TotallyNude   Click Here to Email 100%TotallyNude     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by balanco00:

Has anyone here ever built their own command line interface (interpreter)
into a script or batch file (I
have no life ? I wonder if I am the
only one who has done it.

I wrote a script language interpeter in java for my company to load test data into the product's data base. It was actually an interpeter/line editor, so you could load a buffer with the script commands, then execute the script. It was pretty sweet.

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I was talking to one of t
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posted March 07, 2001 22:54           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was talking to one of the younger geeks at my company and I said "And of course you've used command line FTP before, right?" I got a blank stare. It felt like such a generational difference. I felt old.
>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm "only" 24, and I do most of my work
at the command lines, including uploads
with a command line FTP. I think this
young person needs to be put infront of a
'green screen" terminal for a week to
see what real geekhood is all about

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MeckaMon
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posted March 07, 2001 22:58     Click Here to See the Profile for MeckaMon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well hey, I'm 16 and do almost all that stuff (FTP, SCP, file management) with a CLI.

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Swiss Mercenary
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posted March 08, 2001 05:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Swiss Mercenary   Click Here to Email Swiss Mercenary     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Well hey, I'm 16 and do almost all that stuff (FTP, SCP, file management) with a CLI.
Well, yes, but then you are MeckaMon. We are talking about those younger geeks who date girls, go out to bars or to sports games. You know, those who have a life.

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minime
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posted March 08, 2001 05:29     Click Here to See the Profile for minime     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Swiss Mercenary:
We are talking about those younger geeks who date girls, go out to bars or to sports games. You know, those who have a life.


Ouch! I wonder if there is some connection between CLI use and non-dating?

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MeckaMon
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posted March 08, 2001 15:27     Click Here to See the Profile for MeckaMon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swiss Mercenary says:
We are talking about those younger geeks who date girls, go out to bars or to sports games.

Those people are not geeks.

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opiate
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posted March 13, 2001 20:55     Click Here to See the Profile for opiate     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by minime:
Ouch! I wonder if there is some connection between CLI use and non-dating?

It certainly fits -- Most CLI-lovin' geeks that I know rarely date. I can't say that that's a correlation I like to acknowledge, though...

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Alien Investor
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posted March 13, 2001 22:07     Click Here to See the Profile for Alien Investor   Click Here to Email Alien Investor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The difference between "put" and "mput" is that you can use "put" to copy the file to a different name on the remote system. Like, "put a.c b.c".

Yeah, it's kind of archaic to want to change the name ... this was back in the day when firing up the ftp client and ACTUALLY CONNECTING TO A DIFFERENT COMPUTER SYSTEM which might actually be in a DIFFERENT BUILDING was k-rad ...

I'll be installing Cygwin tomorrow morning. The voices in my mailbox told me to do it.

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crystalcut
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posted March 15, 2001 15:05     Click Here to See the Profile for crystalcut   Click Here to Email crystalcut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MeckaMon:
Swiss Mercenary says:
[b]We are talking about those younger geeks who date girls, go out to bars or to sports games.

Those people are not geeks.
[/B]


OMG. Thank you thank you! I thought I was the only uptight, arrogant geek to think that way.

And, in regards to the thread topic: I'd prefer to run in a command line format. I was able to do that at my last ISP job and loved it. Eventually I'll build a 'nix box that is straight command line, and use that for most of my non-graphical work.

-Crystal


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