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Evilbunny
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posted March 09, 2002 16:05     Click Here to See the Profile for Evilbunny   Click Here to Email Evilbunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Zwilnik
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posted March 09, 2002 17:10     Click Here to See the Profile for Zwilnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's great

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tafkact
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posted March 09, 2002 18:01     Click Here to See the Profile for tafkact     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it sucks A$$.

i'm as much a "superfan" as the next guy (girl, alien, "thing"), but since i can't afford to pay, i don't get in.

ok, fine

add that to the anti-PC/anti-M$ vibe and resentment going on i keep seeing being posted and well...

(yeah yeah yeah, M$ sucks too, but dammit, not as much as everyone like to make it out as! if sucked THAT bad, why are there so freeking many PC's with WINDOWS on them? ok this is getting to long, should be another tread...)

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Snaggy
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posted March 09, 2002 19:27     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you'd like to join The SuperFan Resentment Squad, just send in $1.99 and I'll sign you all up!

No stars upon thars!

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all kidding aside, please don't feel left out. Look at it this way, ...thankfully there are some great people out there able and willing to help keep us keep on geek'in. And you benefit from it too.

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Evilbunny
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posted March 10, 2002 17:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Evilbunny   Click Here to Email Evilbunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But I don't even have that much money!

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ZorroTheFox
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posted March 10, 2002 18:11     Click Here to See the Profile for ZorroTheFox   Click Here to Email ZorroTheFox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is that anything like the super-friends, is there a hall of just-us >;o) .........Z

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Hikaru
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posted March 11, 2002 06:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it makes sence to offer the Super friends something special, but, at least its not as bad as GameFGaqs nasty habit of showing a link to the higherups elite forums on the forum of the day highlights thing which no one but the higher us can access.

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Snaggy
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posted March 11, 2002 08:06     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nasty habit of showing a link to the higherups elite forums on the forum of the day highlights thing

YIKES!!

-Snaggy quickly hides SuperFan Tibits

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Rednivek
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posted March 11, 2002 13:21     Click Here to See the Profile for Rednivek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I definitely think its all the pictures which are making the Superfans forum the wild place.

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dragonman97
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posted March 11, 2002 14:19     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonman97   Click Here to Email dragonman97     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Rednivek makes a good point. Pretty pictures....ooh.

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ZorroTheFox
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posted March 11, 2002 14:47     Click Here to See the Profile for ZorroTheFox   Click Here to Email ZorroTheFox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not exactly sure what a Tibit is Snaggster, but I was wondering if a personal check is ok. If so , where would you like it sent to and what name should the check be for, I don't send them without a name............Z

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Rednivek
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posted March 11, 2002 15:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Rednivek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/subscription.html

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joliet_jane
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posted March 11, 2002 19:52     Click Here to See the Profile for joliet_jane   Click Here to Email joliet_jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I certainly cannot say it makes me sad or anrgy. It's just another thing that I don't do, and I ingnore it. If I did have a credit card to use and didn't have paranioa taught to me by my parents, there's a lot of stuff I'd have by now. For example, retail stores never sold AYB shirts, but I really wanted one. There are lot of other T-shirts I wish I had too...

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rw
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posted March 11, 2002 21:21     Click Here to See the Profile for rw   Click Here to Email rw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just my 2 cents (US) ...

I understand the need to do something special for the "SuperFans", but I wonder if a private forum isn't a bit divisive. Do we really want to split the "family" into two? How many posts have you read here from people needing jobs? A short few years ago, I wouldn't have been able to fork over for a subscription either.

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Nitrozac
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posted March 12, 2002 11:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Nitrozac   Click Here to Email Nitrozac     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is how I see it; geekculture.com is like the popular cafe Snaggy and I sometimes go to in town. It has a "scene", there are regulars and they get together and chat, catch up on gossip, sip exotic coffees and read the paper. The owners of the cafe love their clientelle! I see them having lively conversations with the people who come in, they know everyone by name, and they are very nice to newcomers too. They provide their customers with excellent coffee, food, a nice place to sit and relax, pleasant atmosphere, newpapers, beautiful art on the walls, and will hang out with them too. You can tell they consider the regulars as "friends". People enjoy it there, but they also have their homes and lives, and jobs.

The accepted reality is that when you go to the cafe, you don't expect them to give you a free coffee and snack. You have to buy your coffee and biscotti. How long would they be in business if they gave everyone free coffee and cake? They'd be running off their feet, scrambling to serve everyone! Let's say they were actually able to serve free coffee, because a milk company sponsored them for a month with large "got milk" ads on the walls instead of art. They'd still have trouble being able to run the business. Imagine the milk company soon stopped sponsoring the cafe because they didn't sell enough cartons of milk at the cafe and the owners, still wanting to serve free food and coffee were instead selling coffee mugs and managed to sell about 20 mugs a day. You can see that they still will be in peril!

Snaggy and I are like the cafe owners, we love our clientelle, but the reality is, we're running a business, and we'd like it to be successful. We're still giving away free coffee (Joy of Tech, AY2K), selling coffee mugs (T-shirts, posters, etc), but we're charging for the cake and biscotti and opened a special room with couches and a fireplace for customers who buy the snacks (SuperFan Memberships with the private forum). We understand that some people won't be able to afford the muffins, biscotti, and chocolate chunk cookies but will be hungry, and look longingly at the snack counter, maybe even asking for a free cookie. Or they want to see what's in the private room, who's in there. But, as much as we'd love to, we can't start giving away the food, or the little extra perks.

We're trying desparately to make Geek Culture a successful business because we love it. We enjoy our work, and we love our fans. But, at the end of the day, it's a business, and we want to be successful like anyone else with a business. The internet is still finding its path for businesses, and just like everyone else, Snaggy and I are thinking of everything we can to keep the business running. I suppose we'll be ruffling some feathers, but we're not closing shop, and we're not closing the free forums or free cartoons. Nothing has been taken away, we're just adding special things for members.

If you're having a hard time understanding my cafe analogy, just replace cafe with neighbourhood pub and coffee and snacks with beer.

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rw
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posted March 12, 2002 18:35     Click Here to See the Profile for rw   Click Here to Email rw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ZorroTheFox:
I'm not exactly sure what a Tibit is Snaggster

I'm sure he meant "Timbit". (Mmmmm ... Timbits ...)

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Tau Zero
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posted March 13, 2002 07:09     Click Here to See the Profile for Tau Zero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What rw said at 03/11 21:21.

I fear that the business imperatives of GeekCulture.com are coming into conflict with the atmosphere of this place.  It's like the difference between commercially-run media conventions and volunteer-run literature conventions; the media cons make money, but you find most of the interesting people at the volunteer affairs.

I'm not the kind of person who'll buy lunch from the Starbucks in the Barnes & Noble either.  I'll buy books and newspapers there, but when I want food or atmosphere I go elsewhere.  Unfortunately for Nitrozac and Snaggy they aren't selling their main product and have to make money off the tie-ins, and I already have drawers full of T-shirts and a shelf of hats.

Maybe I should take the hint.  I can find much harder-core geek conversation on certain mailing lists, where people like ESR amuse me with their talk of striking out in the nightclubs of Vilnius (yes, he really did).  The traffic level is rapidly evening out too.

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posted March 13, 2002 09:33           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quit being a crybaby.

Either post things you want to discuss, or do not.

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Snaggy
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posted March 13, 2002 10:12     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tau Zero... LOL!

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Nitrozac
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posted March 13, 2002 14:31     Click Here to See the Profile for Nitrozac   Click Here to Email Nitrozac     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tau, say hello to esr for me! I met him at LWE, and he was like a breath of fresh air, he gave me a great big hug, and warm welcome. Great guy.

If you're leaving the forums because we're too commercial, well, I really didn't want to give the impression that Geek Culture is an "organisation" that relies on gov't grants and things, I thought it was quite obvious that we're your average, little, capatalistic shop.

Please post to the "I'm leaving" thread in the confession booth, as I'm sure a lot of people would like to wish you well on your search for the ultimate online community (myself included). If you stay, then, that's cool too.

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Buffy
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posted March 13, 2002 15:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Buffy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Tau 0, aren't you the kind of guy who goes into Barnes and Noble, sits down in the comfy chairs and reads all the magzines and books but doesn't buy them, then thinks up a reason to justify why he shouldn't have to buy them.

LMAO!!!!


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posted March 13, 2002 18:16           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I have many elbow patches to mend and pipes to smoke, and a beard to stroke while I pass judgement."

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Evilbunny
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posted March 13, 2002 20:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Evilbunny   Click Here to Email Evilbunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, Tau 0 doesn't have any time for sitting around in Barnes and Noble! He just posts on GeekCulture all of the time!

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ASM65816
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posted March 14, 2002 06:03     Click Here to See the Profile for ASM65816   Click Here to Email ASM65816     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being somewhat ... uh ... old,

... I don't really think the issue is about making an Elite Group .....

Having spent 3 years living primarily on Ramen Noodles (which I now refuse to eat), it's nice to have sufficient income to eliminate the need for eating tree bark, crickets, and earthworms for dinner.

Disclaimer: warning, I may or may not be a hypocrite ........

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Once a proud programmer of Apple II's, he now spends his days and nights in cheap dives fraternizing with exotic dancers....

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greycat
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posted March 14, 2002 08:37     Click Here to See the Profile for greycat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ramen noodles are a great alternative or supplement to rice if you want some variety when you're cooking Chinese food. But you should probably throw away the flavoring packet -- too much monosodium glutamate.

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LifetimeTrekker
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posted March 14, 2002 20:36     Click Here to See the Profile for LifetimeTrekker   Click Here to Email LifetimeTrekker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll tell you when I get a chance to use it.
(but only if you have the club-house hi-sign, or else I'll have to shoot you!)

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SupportGoddess
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posted March 14, 2002 23:32     Click Here to See the Profile for SupportGoddess   Click Here to Email SupportGoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been following this thread for a while. I don't see where Nitrozac and Snaggy are causing a division as it has been proposed. Honestly, they have to feed themselves and Nitrokitty somehow. And this is it. I enjoy their product, and I hope their site is active for a very long time, and yes, even successful. Maybe having a seperate forum for people that contribute will help to prod those people that have thought about it, but havent quite gotten to it, to actually do it.

There aren't many sites that I feel are irreplaceable, but this is definitely one of them. That said, I think that people need to recognize that Nitrozac and Snaggy do very little obtrusive marketing. I'm not pounded by popup ads visiting this site, nor are there constant pitches everywhere I look. There could be a mandatory sig on every post linking to products in the webstore, you know. There is just a subtle banner at the top of each page, and usually to things I find interesting or relevant.

So please, either buy a subscription or suck it up and quit whining. The site you enjoy is still here.

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iballoondesign
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posted March 14, 2002 23:55     Click Here to See the Profile for iballoondesign   Click Here to Email iballoondesign     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there is no such a free lunch.

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