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Snaggy
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posted March 03, 2002 18:37     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Huh? Are you crazy Dude?"

Maybe, but it's an
experiment
we hope works, so that we don't have to take more drastic steps.

I think of it as a leap of faith between us, the creators of the content, and you, the enjoyer of what we do. Think of it as a chance to become a benefactor, or a philanthropist of GeekCulture.

A crazy idea maybe, but perhaps if enough friends can help us in this way, we can continue to provide the laughs for everyone.

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/subscription.html

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TheAnnoyedCockroach
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posted March 03, 2002 18:40     Click Here to See the Profile for TheAnnoyedCockroach   Click Here to Email TheAnnoyedCockroach     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw...

Now I'm gonna feel like a weasel for not paying to view your comics....

But that can't be helped. We are poor.

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quantumfluff
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posted March 03, 2002 20:01     Click Here to See the Profile for quantumfluff   Click Here to Email quantumfluff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't particularly like paypal, and I see that the credit card people ream you. Is a check from a US bank OK? I would prepay for a year if doing that.

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Rednivek
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posted March 03, 2002 20:08     Click Here to See the Profile for Rednivek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the price of a movie a month?

Okay, count me in.

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Snaggy
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posted March 03, 2002 20:19     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quantumfluff, checks are fine too, and certainly appreciated. I'll add that info to the page. thanks!

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Beenay
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posted March 04, 2002 02:03     Click Here to See the Profile for Beenay   Click Here to Email Beenay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh no! How can I afford subscription when I'm getting laid off (90% probability) at the end of this month?

Anyway, I've got an idea for you. How about you create AY2K/JoT animations and give them only to people who pay? But not shockwave/flash animations, but real, fluid animation (yes, Death By Sysadmin was great for something we get for free, but it's not the thing you see on TV).

Nitrozac's great drawings and interesting, funny, cute and identifiable[1] characters have a lot of potential. I want to see more of them.

And to discourage people from sharing the animation on the media piracy services, each copy will be watermarked somehow, and people who share your animation will have their membership terminated (and possibly publicly humilated).

- Beenay
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[1] Can I use this word to express characters I can identify with?

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macadddikt18
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posted March 04, 2002 05:31     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not sure that i can get enough money together to pay monthly, but sure as heck, i will kick in some when i can.
Nayt

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platypus
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posted March 04, 2002 06:37     Click Here to See the Profile for platypus   Click Here to Email platypus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate the problems Web comics have with feeding the artists. It doesn't usually work. It's something I fear about the Internet: that small sites will start to suck and go all irregular because they can't pay for their resources without a second job, despite superior content and design. Scott McCloud has some thoughts on it that still aren't workable, but that i hope will be soon.

However, I'm poor. Just spent 3 months essentially with no work, pay for the work I DID do has been delayed (mind if I call them bastards again? because they are, the bastards) and I have a short term loan to payoff and a car to buy (last one lost the tranny). I really *do* think $5 is too much to spend. If I had more cash and wasn't so damn in debt, I'd be happy to kick in. I had to pay for my print comics, I don't see why Web comics are inherantly different (except custom has made them free more often) (also, web comcis can do things print can't, but that's beside the point). Unfortunately, I'm at the point of "do without" rather than "pay the cash," not because I'm willful, but because I'm trying to keep my family housed.

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dragonman97
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posted March 04, 2002 08:07     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonman97   Click Here to Email dragonman97     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I did the /. subscription thing, and Mandrake Club, as I want to see great things continue to stay alive. I like my /., can't do without my Linux-Mandrake (which I download, not buy as CD's), and I love my JoT/AY2K/Forums, so I'm probably going to subscribe. I don't think that 4.65/mo. is that bad, it's $55 a year. While I am a student, I have a job, and $4.65 is a small fraction of my paycheck, particularly over the course of a month. It also equates to about 3 gallons of gas. The only thing I wouldn't mind as a subscriber benefit, which is [likely] impossible with static .html pages, would be ad-free viewing like /. has. I have been enjoying that immensely. But I'm glad to help keep this great site going, because the web would be a little emptier without this place.

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greycat
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posted March 04, 2002 08:44     Click Here to See the Profile for greycat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Subscriber-only benefits would have to be simple and easy. If Nitrozac & Snaggy wasted hours upon hours coming up with some crazy "each copy is watermarked" stuff, they'd have no time left for drawing comics!

Really, the only "perk" I'd want (if I were a registered subscriber) is a regularly published AY2K comic.

I do, however, have my Official After Y2K Fan Club Member membership card (#6). I wonder if those are still being sold. And I've got all those T-shirts... and magnets....

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Snaggy
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posted March 04, 2002 08:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi people, thanks for your great input.

Beenay, animations are something we would love to do, but they're just way too time consuming for us to do at this point. Maybe the Cartoon Channel will buy the production rights to The Adventures of the Techno-Talking Babes,

platypus: don't sweat it, we know there are a lot of people who are unable to pay, which is why this is voluntary. We don't want anyone to do without, so this is our attempt to find a workable middle ground.

dragonman97: Ya, we'd like to be able to offer the no ads, but at the moment, I'm not sure how we would do that without a complete overhaul. (if people have any ideas, please post them in a new thread, not this one)
But I'm glad to help keep this great site going, because the web would be a little emptier without this place.
Thanks dragonman97!

Really, the only "perk" I'd want (if I were a registered subscriber) is a regularly published AY2K comic.
We've been musing about doing a paper version, mailed out to subscribers.

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TechnoGram
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posted March 04, 2002 08:57     Click Here to See the Profile for TechnoGram   Click Here to Email TechnoGram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

Really, the only "perk" I'd want (if I were a registered subscriber) is a regularly published AY2K comic.

me too; and i subscribed today

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Super Flippy
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posted March 04, 2002 11:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Super Flippy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's a good idea. The radio station I listen to relies on pledges from listeners to keep broadcasting, so why shouldn't GeekCulture do the same? Besides, JoT is usually funnier than the most of the comics in the paper, which I pay for.

Maybe you could have some sort of membership bonus, like the radio station does. "Pledge $5 a month and we'll send you a WMHK mouse pad!"

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macadddikt18
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posted March 04, 2002 11:44     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or, better yet, pledge now, and get a free autographed print of your favorite ay2k comic. That alone would make me pledge more.
Nayt

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Zwilnik
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posted March 04, 2002 11:51     Click Here to See the Profile for Zwilnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's a good idea. The forums alone are worth the subscription fees, add the comics and you're getting a bargain.
Again, I think the voluntary subscription idea is a good one. I don't mind my subscription helping fund a service so that people who can't afford it can use it. Other people have paid for and funded services and facilities that I've used when I otherwise wouldn't have been able to afford it, so it's nice to put something back.
I also took the opportunity to order myself some T-Shirts for me and my TTB (adding the subscription option to the T-Shirt store would be a good idea, so you don't have to use the back button or link via the forums though)

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Zwilnik
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posted March 04, 2002 11:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Zwilnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh, and I don't know if it can be done with the UBB forum software, but maybe subscribers can 'buy' logos/icons etc. to use on the left of our posts ?

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dragonman97
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posted March 04, 2002 14:25     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonman97   Click Here to Email dragonman97     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by macadddikt18:
Or, better yet, pledge now, and get a free autographed print of your favorite ay2k comic. That alone would make me pledge more.
Nayt


And can it be retroactive for those of us who have already subscribed

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Janeway
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posted March 04, 2002 18:26     Click Here to See the Profile for Janeway   Click Here to Email Janeway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you take money orders for the subscription and for t-shirts and stuff? I don't have a credit card.

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macadddikt18
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posted March 04, 2002 19:04     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how about one for the first 1000 pledges?
Nayt

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Rednivek
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posted March 04, 2002 19:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Rednivek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about you donate what you think the comic, forums, IRC entertainment, love, joy, Brandy, etc... are worth to you?

C'mon, why would you donate more than you think its worth? You might as well just order the spiffs you want on top of your order!

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Janeway
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posted March 04, 2002 21:36     Click Here to See the Profile for Janeway   Click Here to Email Janeway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I donated what I thought it was worth, I would very soon be broke.

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DigitalBill
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posted March 04, 2002 22:24     Click Here to See the Profile for DigitalBill   Click Here to Email DigitalBill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting discussion.

I gave what I thought was appropriate, without hesitation. (Not to pat myself on the back, just a statement of fact)

But, I did it without thought of "What can Nitrozac & Snaggy do for me now that they're getting some of my dough?" If it works out, they'll do that: by continuing to do what they do for me by creating the amazing stuff they do.

And yes, I'm willing to contribute, so that poor college students and fixed income families can have the Joy of Tech. I'll carry some of that, gladly.

But I won't ask Nitro and Snaggy to do more than they already do, which is plenty. If they offer, and can afford to do something for subscribers, that's cool. If not, I couldn't care less, as long as they keep doing their geek thing here.

Hope that doesn't sound harsh or self-righteous, but I wanted to put some perspective in.

=bd

Just my $.02/month

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macadddikt18
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posted March 05, 2002 05:51     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, i plan on giving, as soon as i figure out paypal. Then i have to get me some of those funky dollars. It will all come in due time.
nayt

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Geordie
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posted March 05, 2002 10:04     Click Here to See the Profile for Geordie   Click Here to Email Geordie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DigitalBill:
I If they offer, and can afford to do something for subscribers, that's cool. If not, I couldn't care less, as long as they keep doing their geek thing here.

That pretty much sums up my view on it as well. I already receive fair value, but bonuses are always nice.

I'd even pay extra for a "Solid Nitrozanium Super Fan" T-shirt. I can't wear the "geekier than thou" t-shirt because I can never be sure if one of the people viewing it might actually be geekier than I, and although my intellect is in the superior range I can't claim to be a "Genius", but it is incontrovertible that I am a super fan.

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trowelblister
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posted March 06, 2002 15:15     Click Here to See the Profile for trowelblister   Click Here to Email trowelblister     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
During my many travels, I've been to alot of co-op natural food stores up and down the east coast (and one in TX too). I don't know if y'all are familiar with the concept, but one of the ways they stay in biz is thru paying or working memberships. The paying membership is obvious, you pay an annual fee and get a discount. working members actually run the registers, cleanup, stock the shelves and for this, they also get a discount (sometimes more than the paying members'). maybe y'all could work out something like this for the people who are kinda poor (admittedly, not me usually, although feb-march 2002 are kinda tight). beats me what kinda tasks could be farmed out to "working" JoT members, but I just thinks the ideas up,,,,,
,,,ahh, WAN socialism,,,,,or maybe anarcho-capitalism,,,,,

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Snaggy
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posted March 06, 2002 15:35     Click Here to See the Profile for Snaggy   Click Here to Email Snaggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's one idea we had for SuperFans.

Superfans can send in a picture of themselves, or of their pet, or something of their choice, and Nitrozac will draw them. This image will be made into a SuperFan button. The SuperFan will then get a button, and the button will be added to our collection on the webstore, so other people can actually order "The SuperFan Collection."

Plus, the superfan will most likely also end up in a cartoon at some point.

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macadddikt18
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posted March 06, 2002 16:42     Click Here to See the Profile for macadddikt18   Click Here to Email macadddikt18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dude, i that alone motivated me to donate money, faster. Like this week. Now where did i put that paycheck.
Nayt

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Swiss Mercenary
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posted March 07, 2002 08:36     Click Here to See the Profile for Swiss Mercenary   Click Here to Email Swiss Mercenary     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I have already put in my Nitrozaium for this month, but all right, next month, promise, I will sign up for at least 6 months.

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