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Xanthine

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Icon 1 posted February 25, 2013 15:41      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Fiber internet came to Boulder. 40 Mbps for less than any competing offer Comcast had. And because we're all too aware of how these companies suck you in with a sweet package only to send the rates through the roof after six months or a year or whatever you bought, we asked about the sticker shock 12 months from now. Still cheaper than the best competing offer from Comcast. We're been testing the speed at random times and always come up within 5% of what we're supposed to be getting.

So, in a nutshell, internet services in Boulder are catching up with the 21st century. And Chez Xanthine is now a Comcast free zone. [Big Grin]

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JEALOUS

I keep asking Verizon, so, when will you guys get FiOS up here, and they say, "how about never? does never work for you?"

[thumbsdown] [shake head] [Mad]

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Icon 1 posted February 25, 2013 16:51      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The sad part is this: they have fiber in Serbia. Faster than where I live, even. Why is that sad? Well, in the 90's, while the US enjoyed a dotcomm boom, the country now known as Serbia was mired in an economic crisis that was only exacerbated by UN sanctions. Serbia was also engaged in civil war at the beginning of that decade and getting its ass bombed by NATO at the end. The NATO bombing took out a number of bridges and government facilities as well as a fair bit of the nation's telecommunications infrastructure. To this day, there are bombed out ruins in the middle of Belgrade. I've been there and I've seen them. To this day, Novi Sad is still missing a bridge across the Danube. As for the economic crisis, not only did Serbia never really recover, but Serbia is currently in a situation that greatly resembles Greece (you may not have heard about that, though, because Serbia isn't part of the EU so they're not threatening to take a chunk of a continent down with them). But kreziserb's buddy has a 60 Mbps fiber connection in his Belgrade apartment. If they can do it, why can't we??

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Xanthine wrote:
If they can do it, why can't we??

Because that would require the executives at the big telecom corporations to invest in upgrading their infrastructure which in turn would reduce profits for the year (and possibly a few years after). The executives' bonuses are based on profits and often dwarf their actual salaries, so there is effectively no chance in hell of them making that investment until they absolutely have to in order to stay in business.

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Icon 1 posted February 25, 2013 17:10      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
G.S. You hit this one dead on, ROI Return on Investment. Now up here in the woods, Our fiber is in the form of cereal bars.

Now down at the Casino, Sagoning Eagles Landing they have four four inch dia bundles. ATM, off track betting sporting events. I think they buried that many bundles in case of loss of signal on a bundle.

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Congrats...welcome to the civilized world. [Wink]

BTW, this one is [half] for you...

And I second Steen's view on fiber vs. no fiber. In my neck of the woods anyway, greed is what motivated Verizon to roll it out - they wanted to poach customers from cable. If they think they can make some serious money, they'll do it...but they won't roll it out universally just to be nice. This is further exemplified by the disgraceful lack of real bandwidth in MoMan's neck of the woods - no one is interested in spending the money to get something decent out there. And, oh by the way, we're all paying into the stupid Universal Service Fund, which is supposed to be used to get better access across the country, but I have no idea what's being done with it. (It's probably lining exec's pockets as they give 3 people Internet connections, with money skimmed off the real implementation costs.)

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Nice, but I'm JEALOUS [Big Grin]
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Icon 1 posted February 27, 2013 12:56      Profile for Ugh, MightyClub     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Time Warner generously upgraded their base cable internet speeds recently. They laid out some overly complicated process of unplugging your computer (because you only have one device connected, right?), restarting the modem, restarting your computer (still only one, right?) and plugging everything back in.

After all that nonsense my downlink speed was still well short of the old advertised speed.

I'm almost irritated enough to sit on hold and follow inane support checklists for a few hours.

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I have 150Mbit cable in my house.

Which is nice.

But the pricetag is absurd.

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It took me reading more than half of this before I realized the double-negative at play, but this is in fact good news:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/georgia-house-rejects-bill-to-ban-municipal-fiber-networks/

To spare any confusion lest someone skim it like I initially did - the Ga. legislature is rejecting a bill that would ban municipal fiber. (Read it too hastily, and it might look like it advocates banning said fiber.)

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As I read a News Story, Knoxville Tn. Many years ago built out a data network, to help restore Electrical power. The Consumer upside was that this became a High Speed ISP.

Do we have a Geek that is from or lives in Knoxville, that could give us the run down on this?

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Icon 1 posted March 21, 2013 19:57      Profile for Rhonwyyn   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Darn. Got all excited. I thought you were talking about this kind of fiber:

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Yeah...um...no. [Razz]

I know some folks who /might/ be yarn geeks, but I really don't think they call themselves as such. [Wink]

Were this a dietary forum, I can imagine another likely use of the term, but around these parts, the networking sort is in fact the most likely one. [Big Grin]

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Icon 1 posted March 22, 2013 15:30      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I suppose I could also have been celebrating a new one of these but I wouldn't start a thread about it.

The hubby called Comcast just to needle them a little bit a couple weeks ago. They'll be making a competitive internet service available in Boulder in June.

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Ooh...single mode fiber. I realize you're approaching that from a diff. POV, but I'd /like/ to be using SM here (distance FTW). For legacy reasons, I use multimode fiber, 62.5/125, frequently terminated as ST. At least the other end is mostly LC these days instead of SC. (The former is almost impossible to get wrong, though I was floored by the incompetence of a vendor who apparently knocked the strands out and reseated the strands with TX pointing at TX. :/)
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Here in oz there's a National Broadband Network project that aims to bring fibre-to-the-premises to 93% of aussies, and high speed wireless or satellite to most of the rest.
A friends house a few blocks away got hooked up last year, the speed is truly awesome.
Casa del Druid isn't even on the 3 year plan maps yet. [Frown]

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Dman, we're using fibers for some very different applications. So different I don't understand your post. [Razz] I use mine to move light from point A to point B and make sure what ends up at point B is in TEM00 with the same polarization it started with, not transmit any information. Multimode won't do that for me, hence the polarization-maintaining singlemode (which I didn't link to, or buy from ThorLabs).
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Pics:
https://www.google.com/search?q=fiber+st+sc+lc&tbm=isch

Aside: Light is information (of a sort). [Smile]
I continue to marvel at the transmission of 1 Gbit worth of data in one second, more with fiber because of the complexity in a small form factor, though it's similarly nifty when done by copper. (The fiber bit is especially neat when done with these cute things.)

As for MM vs. SM, I'm simply drooling over the SM. I could give some packets a much more direct route to the core if I had SM everywhere. (Every time new fiber is laid, it's both MM and SM, the latter for future capacity, but all of the original fiber is MM. I think this was either due to: older SM gear was expensive, or maybe that SM gear wasn't as good as it is now.)

According to Wikipedia (umm?), for GigE, MM can go 550m, whereas comparable SM can go 5km. (Apparently, SM can go 70km at 1,550 nm wavelength!)

P.S. As for the LC snafu, it's a matter of "how the hell did someone break and muck up /this/ connector?" It's a duplex setup, where there's a bendy bit that pushes down the clips on each respective cable, but apparently the entire thing got dislodged and some brainiac put them in upside down and backwards. (Fiber being light-oriented, you can't just electronically 'remap' which side of the converter sends light ( la autodetect w/copper) and which side receives. Plugging them in backwards means 'do not pass go, do not collect $200.')

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Cable TV here would be nice. We keep hearing "NEXT YEAR" five times.

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Singlemode fiber for your wavelength might also be more expensive, or was when the original fiber was put down.

Anyway, my fibers are part of an optical tweezer system. The necessity is arguable; we have them in there partially because we can't fit all our lasers and optical components on one table, partially to make the system relatively modular so when we don't have to completely realign everything when we swap out a laser, and mainly because by shoving the light into a single-mode, polarization-maintaining fiber, any bad behavior hopefully (seen this fail...hell, my entire post-doc has been about seeing everything fail) gets converted into intensity noise that we can servo out. While all these features are nice, if you don't need a super-quiet instrument with angstrom level precision, you can probably skip the fiber.

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I'm not old enough yet to need fiber.

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DO NOT BET THE HOUSE ON THAT . fibre serves many uses in the human body. The best known being reducing transit time of the bowel.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Yeah...um...no. [Razz]

I know some folks who /might/ be yarn geeks, but I really don't think they call themselves as such. [Wink]

Were this a dietary forum, I can imagine another likely use of the term, but around these parts, the networking sort is in fact the most likely one. [Big Grin]

The first time I went on a fiber retreat, DH had a fun time telling people at church where I was. Most definitely thought it was of the edible sort and were confused why I'd do such a thing.

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