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Snaggy

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Icon 1 posted December 16, 2009 21:44      Profile for Snaggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
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Hey, Nitrozac and I are doing it, why don't you? [Big Grin]

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sounds great but who will may the last people social security. wh wil produce the food the last generation eats. fix the cars, make everything run.

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____ Snaggy, and Nitrozac. Are you sure you are both on board. There comes times that those ideas don't fly. While it may appeal now, it may not in a few years.

____ Look up the Sect. Shakers their religion forbade procreation. While your cause may seem very valid I seem to think that the view may change.

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Here's the issue with this movement. Guess who is gonna continue to breed like rabbits? That's right, all the toothless WalMart trolls.

Yes, smart people of the world, quit popping those puppies out. That way the mullet wearing, Camaro driving, trailer part denizens of the world can get some of those highly valuable resources.....

Not a pretty picture.

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quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
Here's the issue with this movement. Guess who is gonna continue to breed like rabbits? That's right, all the toothless WalMart trolls.

Yes, smart people of the world, quit popping those puppies out. That way the mullet wearing, Camaro driving, trailer part denizens of the world can get some of those highly valuable resources.....

Not a pretty picture.

Yes, but without the smart people to look after them they'd pretty much wipe themselves out within a couple of generations.

I'm of the feeling that if the talks in Copenhagen don't come up with anything solid (which is looking likely to be the case at the moment) we'll have missed our last chance of preventing a global disaster and might as well shift to protecting what bits of the biosphere we can and looking after ourselves.

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This is one of the things most wrong with the environmentalism movement, IMO. It's faulty logic, moralizing nature as if there were some independent morality in the natural world.

"Then we developed agriculture, and have become parasitic, depending on exploitation of Nature for our survival, but giving nothing back."
Here's one example of bad logic, IMO. Parasites are a part of the natural world, and are neither good nor evil in that context. We are the ones that place a moral value on parasitism.

"When every human chooses to stop breeding, Earth’s biosphere will be allowed to return to its former glory"
The "glory" of a world without people does not exist, as it's our definition, not an objective reality. Something can only be beautiful to an observer. Massive extinction events have happened before, and they weren't a bad thing: they just were. Life continued and changed.

There are good reasons why people should reduce reproduction, but it's not a moral argument on behalf of the planet. It's in our own self-interest. Until environmentalism is recognized for what it really is, a selfish movement to keep the world beautiful and livable for ourselves, it's going to continue to have trouble gaining real traction with the public. When it comes down to it, we can destroy the environment all we want, and in the end it would only result in the end of us, while life on this planet would most likely continue in some form or another.

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CommanderShroom wrote:
Here's the issue with this movement. Guess who is gonna continue to breed like rabbits? That's right, all the toothless WalMart trolls.

Yes, smart people of the world, quit popping those puppies out. That way the mullet wearing, Camaro driving, trailer part denizens of the world can get some of those highly valuable resources.....

Not a pretty picture.


No, but it was an entertaining movie

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GrumpySteen... that movie is a gem... although unfortunately way too scarily real!
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____ Me thinks, that some people here have been watching too much "Blue Collar Comedy Tour" and or "Larry The Cable Guy"

____ Now what is wrong with trailer parks, those trailers need rest and recreation too.

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ahem

But Idiocracy was still a very entertaining movie that I highly recommend. Particularly the intro.

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Icon 1 posted December 17, 2009 21:37      Profile for TMBWITW,PB     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I've seen these guys before and even mentioned them in a paper on overpopulation for my Social Demography class. They have a classically Malthusian argument that I largely agree with, though I support more of a stabilization of the global population back at 1960's levels rather than total extinction. I'm already helping--we've taken surgical steps to make sure we're not having any more biological kids.

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TMBWITW,PB wrote:
we've taken surgical steps to make sure we're not having any more biological kids.

So robot babies aren't out of the question?

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OMG a kid with an actual off button. I would be in heaven.

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I used to get all philosophical and moral about this discussion. Now that I've grown older, I've figured out how it works. You should have the optimal number of children to increase the probability that your gene line survives. That probability is a complex function of income, time to give attention to the children and just plain ability to cope with the world.

There is a trade off between having lots of spawn which have to fend for themselves vs. fewer, to which parents can invest more preparation effort. So, someone who has 4 or 5 kids but few resources is trying to crowd out the genes of those who have fewer kids but try to give them the most advantages going forward. Not that people make this calculation constantly. Our genetics are selecting for it. I just hope the strategy that mine picked for me pays off.

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I'm pretty sure that not only do some people not make this calculation 'constantly,' but perhaps not 'consciously' either.

I used to have a very, *ahem*, Catholic coworker. [And not the brightest of fellows.]
Sheesh...in ~3 years I'm pretty sure they had around 4 kids. (I'm pretty sure she was pregnant w/first when he was hired, and w/4th or had 4th when he was fired.)

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No matter what one thinks of the theme of their movement, I think we can all agree that they need a new website...

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