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TheMoMan
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Hi All

I wonder how much money he sees in Alt energy, or is he trying to become the next Energy Czar, but lets be truthful he does know oil. If he
is throwing his money into Alt Energy he may be right.


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quote:
From TFA:
America is in a hole and it's getting deeper every day. We import 70% of our oil at a cost of $700 billion a year

USA trade deficit (2007) 794 billion.

Conclusion: eliminate your oil imports and you could (approximately) eliminate your trade deficit.

Step 1: Drive like aussies.
Aussies use 38% less oil per day than Americans. America could halve it's oil imports simply by reducing oil use to what's typical in Australia. Of course, some people would have to give up driving the kids to school in their Hummers...

Step 2: ???????

Step 3: Profit!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Of course, some people would have to give up driving the kids to school in their Hummers...

Wait a sec...do you mean that maybe some of these kids might take the...bus?!
(BTW, this is already paid for by taxes!)

Or, like in some .eu countries I know of...walk?!

You dirty filthy commie!

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Of course, some people would have to give up driving the kids to school in their Hummers...

Wait a sec...do you mean that maybe some of these kids might take the...bus?!
(BTW, this is already paid for by taxes!)

Or, like in some .eu countries I know of...walk?!

You dirty filthy commie!

My wife walks our son to school every morning (when school's in, of course). There are parents that drive their kids in who live less than half as far from the school we do. It's un-fucking-believable.

What's worst is many of them drive huge SUVs, and they're also rude in the parking lot, park in people's driveways without asking, and are generally douches.

People suck.

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________________________ Hi Y'All again, well most people do not multi-task a trip, it took a long time to teach the Mrs that going to the drug store did not have to be a different trip than the supermarket, or Post office, just multi-task trips and fuel costs will go down. The superslabs are not always the fastest way to a destination some times the back or seldom used routes are easier and less fuel hungry.

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Regarding trips to school, I'm also amused by local stories that in June, kids around here were trying to be *rebellious* by riding their bikes to school instead of taking the bus or rides from their parents. If this becomes 'cool,' I say all the more power to them!

Still, uncool as it may be, the school bus isn't there for no reason...it is a pretty efficient means of transporting large numbers of students.

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_______________________ Well the biggest problem is that most of the people below us on the intelligence list don't have a clue, if I can afford the gas, I can afford to waste it as I see fit.

Maybe we need to go back to rationing as per WW2 and coupon books, use up your stamps and you walk.

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I don't know if you guys get them in the states, but we've been having a rash of these big box store 'super centres' where it's like a mall, but outdoors.

The downside to this is that it can be up to a kilometre from store to store in these massive things, which is fine if you're willing to walk upwards of 3-4km just to do your shopping. Realistically, you might say, "walk around, fatty!" but these are big box stores in which you're likely carting around more stuff than you'd like to be hauling -- especially in our current weather which is about 100f with the humidex.

In all, it's mostly stupid.

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Your whining fails to impress me. [Razz]
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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Your whining fails to impress me. [Razz]

I rarely go to them anyway. Aside from the fact that I refuse to shop at Walmart, most of the stores are overpriced nonsense designed for the lowest of the low of society: trailer trash and soccer moms in their SUVs. The only store in the one nearest my house that I use is Rona, which is a Canadian big box hardware store. And I have to drive there because I often cart away large quantities of hardware/lumber/whatever.

*hugs his Toyota Matrix*

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My family lived in the suburbs for quite a while, but after my father died we couldn't afford such a expensive lifestyle, so we moved to a pretty central area, just next door to my former Elementary and less than a mile away from the High. My sisters just have to cross a street to go to school and my brother can get to his in a couple of minutes. There are plenty of establishments near so the need of a car is almost non existent, or we just use public transportation when going to more distant places.
Bucaramanga rocks! [thumbsup]

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A closeup pf the city map, the white lines represent the main streets, and I made a typo, it's SISTERS' oopsie [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Regarding trips to school, I'm also amused by local stories that in June, kids around here were trying to be *rebellious* by riding their bikes to school instead of taking the bus or rides from their parents. If this becomes 'cool,' I say all the more power to them!

In 1964 50% of kids rode [bicycles] to school and the obesity rate was 12%…in 2004, 3% rode to school and the obesity rate was 45%.

Did a cursory Googling and didn't find any other source for that, but interesting anyway; if you can't appeal to their pocketbooks appeal to a) what's trendy and b) their vanity.

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______________________ Lets see. The Shrub wants to open more leases for drilling, The tree huggers say use all the land you have under lease first. The Governator says not off Calif. and a man that has made more money on oil than the shrub and his dad says that "this is one problem we can not drill our way out of."

I hope reason prevails.

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Phew!
We can all relax now, one of the great minds of our time has a solution.

quote:
GWB:
there's some easy steps people can take. You know, if they're not in their home, they don't keep their air conditioning running

Problem solved.

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I remember in Jr. High and high school the bus stop was a mile from my house, some friends had even longer walks to the bus stop. No one blinked an eye about kids walking on the side of the road, no sidewalks, no adults etc.

This day and age if i expected/allowed that behaviour for my children someone somewhere would blow a gasket about child endangerment.

I do not support the suv moms droppin' the darlins at the door, but in many communities the thinking is letting children walk to school is like sticking a note on their back "abuse me"

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Phew!
We can all relax now, one of the great minds of our time has a solution.

quote:
GWB:
there's some easy steps people can take. You know, if they're not in their home, they don't keep their air conditioning running

Problem solved.
Wow. You mean the same advice we heard from our parents and their parents before them? He's ahead of his time, I tells ya!

Next up: GWB's advice for traffic safety: "Look both ways before crossing!"

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
What's worst is many of them drive huge SUVs... and are generally douches.

you should meet my dad, you would probably get along pretty well.
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quote:
Originally posted by YaYawoman:
I remember in Jr. High and high school the bus stop was a mile from my house, some friends had even longer walks to the bus stop. No one blinked an eye about kids walking on the side of the road, no sidewalks, no adults etc.

Yaya ...

Yaya ...

Sigh ...

Yaya ...

Are you going to tell us now how deep the snow was, about the sister you carried on your shoulders, and how you had to get up two hours before you went to bed to make the trip?

L'Oreal doesn't make "the gray look" for a reason.

Can you say, "Whippersnapper"?

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Phew!
We can all relax now, one of the great minds of our time has a solution.

quote:
GWB:
there's some easy steps people can take. You know, if they're not in their home, they don't keep their air conditioning running

Problem solved.
So what you're saying is the solution is more hot air?

We have enough of this from Republicans anyway.

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Hahahaha col panic. I know it sounds like that old line about walking to school uphill both ways, but honestly it was that far from the bus stop. Mass. had just had the tax revolt and passed prop 2 1/2, and many many things were cut. Busses were one of them.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Phew!
We can all relax now, one of the great minds of our time has a solution.

quote:
GWB:
there's some easy steps people can take. You know, if they're not in their home, they don't keep their air conditioning running

Problem solved.
Wow. You mean the same advice we heard from our parents and their parents before them? He's ahead of his time, I tells ya!

Next up: GWB's advice for traffic safety: "Look both ways before crossing!"

That might work if you're out vacationing. But, anyone here ever live in Florida? Knew a guy who was on the road all the time. Would leave the AC off, come back a few days later, and the inside air would be 95F. He'd turn the AC on, down to 80F, and wonder why he'd have a $300/month electric bill. Once he started keeping the place at a constant 80F while gone, his bill was almost always less than $100 (single guy, didn't do much cooking).

Meanwhile, we kept our place at a constant 80F for a one-story, 4 bedroom, 1800 sq ft home, all appliances electric and our bill was, at the highest, $130. Otherwise, it was normally around $80 during the cooler months.

One more example of thermodynamics and it's insatiable energy usage, well, because I feel like sharin'. The place we're renting is 1200 sq ft, loft space, ceilings that slope up from about 9 ft to 20 ft. With the heat or AC running on the colder or hotter days (< 70 F or >= 82 F inside) our electric bill has so far been no higher than about $45 (gas cooking). In the previous place, which was a 2 bed, 960 sq ft condo conversion with carpeting everywhere our electric was consistently higher. The difference? The thermostat here trips in what looks like 0.5° steps while the previous place's thermo was tripped in 2° steps.

This just goes to prove that not only does Shrub Jr. there have no grasp on how to actually conserve energy, he's got no grasp on simple, basic physics. And we let him have the keys to the big bombs?

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quote:
Originally posted by tweety:

This just goes to prove that not only does Shrub Jr. there have no grasp on how to actually conserve energy, he's got no grasp on simple, basic physics. And we let him have the keys to the big bombs?

Silly tweety...you call yourself an American male? That's the *football.* [Wink]

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quote:
Conclusion: eliminate your oil imports and you could (approximately) eliminate your trade deficit.

Step 1: Drive like aussies.
Aussies use 38% less oil per day than Americans. America could halve it's oil imports simply by reducing oil use to what's typical in Australia. Of course, some people would have to give up driving the kids to school in their Hummers...


Hmmm... don't they have road trains down there for overland transport of goods? While up here we burn a bunch more diesel shipping stuff in individual tractor trailers? That would account for much of the difference, i'd bet. A HUGE chunk of our oil consumption is used up by diesel for trucking.

Of course we used to do most shipping via REAL trains, before the teamsters used their clout to shut down a good part of our railway infrastructure. Good for job security for the truckers, bad for everyone else.

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quote:
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Hmmm... don't they have road trains down there for overland transport of goods? While up here we burn a bunch more diesel shipping stuff in individual tractor trailers? That would account for much of the difference, i'd bet.

Nah, the road trains do exist, but they're used in remote areas of Australia, mostly to transport livestock. I don't have figures to hand, but I'd wager they account for less than 1% of total road freight.

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