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Elder Geek
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Icon 3 posted February 25, 2008 10:47      Profile for Elder Geek         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Are we truly witnesses to history in its ‘unfolding’? I have observed, and I do not believe that I am not alone, that the technology exists currently to ‘hurl us to the stars and beyond’. The old axiom states that people fear change, and those that are not capable of fully understanding the emerging technologies seem to fear the changes that those of us, ‘Technologists’ (Geeks), know must come forward. Orwellian nightmares have for so long marred American society in such a way that I, too, am very uncomfortable with the thought of the FBI assembling a biometric database on all Americans.

Is this, combined with the still rather recent societal memories of the horrors of the coming of the Industrial Age in the mid 19th century preventing us, as a society, from what geeks know should be our entry into the ‘Technological Age’? Geeks, in my humble opinion, seem to rather lack the qualities of guile and greed that characterize the ‘good old fashioned conservative industrialist capitalists’. Geeks also tend to understand the need for ‘de-urbanization’ that would bring forth smaller and more diverse, environmentally friendly and energy efficient communities that can effectively utilize abundant, available and renewable resources. Such thoughts are absolute anathema to the industrialists and the media, among others, seem to play public fear to its fullest in order to maintain the status quo.

Does something of an ‘Industrial Counterrevolution’ have to take place to usher in the ‘Age Of Technology’? In this case, with the avoidance and reversal of US government interventionist policies that also began to take shape at the dawn of the Industrial Age, such as the ‘un-Civil’ War, Sherman Anti-Trust Act, New Deal and Great Society. Each of those examples have led me to believe that each generation, in turn, comes to the realization that the previous generation’s legislative attempts to ‘fix the problem’ have failed to provide an effective solution, and that we ‘urgently need’ another dimwitted, visionless government program to ‘do the job right this time!’ No matter how hard they try, government cannot truly regulate progress; they only seem to be capable of halting it in its tracks.

Is it not inevitable that the Geek will in turn replace the Industrialist in the place of primacy?

Is the age of Homo Sapiens nearing an end?

Could this be the dawn of Homo ___________ at hand?

(Technophilius / Geekus / Advancicus – help me out here, guys and girls)

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Icon 1 posted February 25, 2008 12:38      Profile for Ashitaka     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
hmmmm.

Your post seems very north american centric. America really hasn't ever had an orwellian nightmare compared to other places.

Same thing with the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, New Deal and Great Society. Other countrys have made socialism work.

ANd what is your definition of "geek". Are we not just early adopters? If so, we will not replace the industrialist, they will simply adopt and use the new technology as it comes, as they always have.
I think you need to consolidate your argument. IT does not work well. (I do not see the flow between your observations and conculusions).


and welcome.

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Icon 1 posted February 25, 2008 13:49      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Yeah, what he said.

Oh, and Welcome, ...err ... dude of big words. [Wink]

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Icon 1 posted February 25, 2008 19:29      Profile for Elder Geek         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I'm a charter member geek all the way back to the slide rule, punch card and magnetic core days... when we didn't know what to do with all of that 12k of memory! (prbly tru 4 me 2) And obliviously continuing a fine tradition of non-linear thinking (What can I say, retired POTS/PBX guy with way too much time on my hands!) and I did not think to address myself globally. (And, besides I'm the 'new, old guy!', first time up! ;-)

What got me started on my 'rant'(sorry, all) was this recent post by Steen about toaster bacon

To me, the future was supposed to be here, I admit that some of that is funny, but we were 'all' supposed to be utilizing modern technology to its fullest by now! It seems to me that progress is more or less stalled by people being afraid of technology.

You are correct, Ashitaka, and that's part of what I'm trying figure out here, while much of Europe is making great strides in the right direction, all I seem to hear in the US, mainly from conservatives is how 'globalization' threatens our 'national identity!' And while I don't think that the US lends itself to socialism, at least not in the classic sense, the entire world needs to undo the urbanization of the industrial revolution and return to those smaller, more efficient communities of two centuries ago and as they are built, they should be engineered with a mindset toward collectivization, it only makes sense. And again, speaking globally, an examination of Asia would seem to support my point of view, as that part of the world was the least industrialized, it has been the most ready to 'technologize'.

It just seems to me that among most of my older USA non-geek counterparts, modern technology is just like fire was to the Neanderthals, they are afraid of it and they do not understand it! Big Brother and the inability to do a simple c'n'p, but they do seem have a 'heavy industry' mindset along with all the changes that came to be along with it and as a result of it, proudly proclaimed as the 'conservative' point of view.

So my fine young geekTNGers across the galaxy,

Do you find the same thing to be true with your non-geek counterparts,

Are these people living in the stone age or what?

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quote:
Originally posted by Elder Geek:


What got me started on my 'rant'(sorry, all) was this recent post by Steen about toaster bacon

To me, the future was supposed to be here, I admit that some of that is funny, but we were 'all' supposed to be utilizing modern technology to its fullest by now! It seems to me that progress is more or less stalled by people being afraid of technology.

The Future is here, who would have thought 30 years ago that almost everyone would be able to contanct anyone they know instantly, anywhere in the civilized world (cell phones). Don't get me started on the internet and the easy access to information. Or Virgin galactic. THe future is here, it is just that a few of us tend to adopt first, then the rest follow (if it is good tech). I guess I am lucky my parents decided to buy thier forst computer in 1982.

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Originally posted by Elder Geek:


You are correct, Ashitaka, and that's part of what I'm trying figure out here, while much of Europe is making great strides in the right direction, all I seem to hear in the US, mainly from conservatives is how 'globalization' threatens our 'national identity!' And while I don't think that the US lends itself to socialism, at least not in the classic sense, the entire world needs to undo the urbanization of the industrial revolution and return to those smaller, more efficient communities of two centuries ago and as they are built, they should be engineered with a mindset toward collectivization, it only makes sense. And again, speaking globally, an examination of Asia would seem to support my point of view, as that part of the world was the least industrialized, it has been the most ready to 'technologize'.

I have to agree with you there, I love being in walking distance of everything I need, and not haveing to own an auto. I grew up in the'burs and agree these zoned communities where you have to drive 20-30 minutes to get to a shopping center is a huge problem for the almost certainly energy lacking future of america. as for Asia being an example of how to engineer a city I disagree, India and China are making cities with huge urban sprawl and long commutes and getting away from thier former agrarian decentralized cities.
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It just seems to me that among most of my older USA non-geek counterparts, modern technology is just like fire was to the Neanderthals, they are afraid of it and they do not understand it! Big Brother and the inability to do a simple c'n'p, but they do seem have a 'heavy industry' mindset along with all the changes that came to be along with it and as a result of it, proudly proclaimed as the 'conservative' point of view.

So my fine young geekTNGers across the galaxy,

Do you find the same thing to be true with your non-geek counterparts,

Are these people living in the stone age or what?

As for old people not adopting, that doesn't matter, they will soon be dead and will be replaced with the young who have never lived in an age where thier parents cannot call them 24 hours a day and ask them where they are and what they are doing.

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