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The Famous Druid

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J.K. Rowling has said now that she's finished the Potter books, she's going to rest a spell before starting any new projects.

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Why does everyone always compare HP to LOTR? With the exception of being in the fantasy genre and written by Brits, they are completely different. (Okay, okay, and they both employ the "good vs. evil" plot device.)

- Both brits.

- Both "good" vrs "evil" with the main charater having the source of all evil talking in their head.

- Neither shy away from killing or death.

- Neither is Allegorical.

-Good is the underdog.

-Both have Evil defeated and making a come back, and follows the hero on a quest of risking life, and limb to overcome.

-Both place great emphasis on friendship, loyalty, courage and valour.

- Both are episodic in their adventures, where you can drop pieces and the main plot is unaffected.

I finished the last book on Sunday. I didn't like it (or the 6th book, actually) as much as I liked the earlier ones. I think the first three or four were the best in the series. I don't think J.K. Rowling writes older teens as well as she does younger characters.

A lot of people didn't like the stuff after Cedric dies, because it's a lot darker and Harry and friends don't really change that much through the
process of their adventures. The later books were also written with the movies in mind, and she made concessions to the actors and actresses and just the feasibility of the scenes. That said, I really like HP:OotP, HP:HBP and HP:DH

And for all the complaining adults: They're kid's books. Get over it.
The first books and the main story line were written without an audience in mind. It wasn't meant to be either a children's book or adult fiction. The later books also cater to the fact that the younger audiences found favour on the story.

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I can think of another similarity or two, but I won't list then becasue they would be spoilers.

However, you dig around enough and you'll find yourself being able to compare any given epic to any other epic. For one thing, many epics have this in common: The Hero's Journey. The whole pattern repeats in all sorts of classic, epic tales, all the way back to the ancients, as anyone who's done enough reading will notice (hell, I think you even see it crop up a few times in the Bible). Given that writers are also readers, I'm sure Tolkien and Rowling were more than aware of the pattern. They may not have pasted the nice little "Hero's Journey" label on the pattern, but I'm absolutely positive they knew what it was.

As to why people like to draw comparisons between LOTR and HP in particular, and not LOTR and some other epic and HP and some other epic, well, HP and LOTR both got popular simultaneously (well, in the case of LOTR, more like re-popular but you know what I mean), so of course people started connecting the obvious dots. You could do similar with HP and Star Wars, and LOTR and Star Wars (and, in fact, that also happened).

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I love the fact that people spend so much time end energy trying to over analyze a set of children's books.

They weren't meant for people to write their doctoral thesis on. They were meant to entertain fifth graders.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chesty:
I love the fact that people spend so much time end energy trying to over analyze a set of children's books.

They weren't meant for people to write their doctoral thesis on. They were meant to entertain fifth graders.

I have a suspicion most authors don't write their books, even those that have become classics, with intentions to be something analyzed. Most books are meant to be enjoyed, plain and simple. But they are all written by humans. I guess what amazes me about literature is the fact that there are so many common themes. Writing is itself an art and pulls out of the human collective conscious. So why sure, they may not be meant to be overanalyzed.But that certainly doesn't exclude them from it.

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The first three books were the best. The only really good part of the seventh was the Epilogue which was probably the best single chapter in the whole series.

Let's face it. Rowling is not a very good writer. But even so, she managed to hit on these awesome characters and a truly great setting, which you have to love even though the writing ain't that hot

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quote:
Originally posted by alfrin:
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Originally posted by Chesty:
I love the fact that people spend so much time end energy trying to over analyze a set of children's books.

They weren't meant for people to write their doctoral thesis on. They were meant to entertain fifth graders.

I have a suspicion most authors don't write their books, even those that have become classics, with intentions to be something analyzed. Most books are meant to be enjoyed, plain and simple. But they are all written by humans. I guess what amazes me about literature is the fact that there are so many common themes. Writing is itself an art and pulls out of the human collective conscious. So why sure, they may not be meant to be overanalyzed.But that certainly doesn't exclude them from it.
I agree. There are a lot of things people create that they never intended to have analyzed, but that doesn't make those works unworthy of it.

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quote:
Originally posted by NervousWreck:
Let's face it. Rowling is not a very good writer. But even so, she managed to hit on these awesome characters and a truly great setting, which you have to love even though the writing ain't that hot

I think you need to differentiate between not being a "good writer" and not being a writer of great literary or artistic merit. Her books are obviously entertainment. Her writing is clear and easy to read and doesn't detract or distract from the story she's trying to tell. I don't think she ever set out to be classed with Shakespeare or Hemingway. Her writing is fine. It serves its purpose: to tell a story.

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Dunno about Potter, never read any, watched the first film on a plane.

Tolkein on the other hand is dull. Boring dull childish rubbish. And the films were crap too.

But then again, maybe he's a great writer and I'm a crap reader. I also thought that ulysses was awful. (One of the few books I've not finished - along with the hobbit).

And I don't like star wars either. And the matrix was drivel of the worst kind (invoking perpetual motion as a reason to keep humans alive - ridiculous). But hey, if you like that sort of thing, go ahead.

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There is a much better Series of books by a much Better Writer, if that's what you want...
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I remember that from a few years back. My wife became a harry potter fan. Now she has seen this photo and is wanting togo see the new fillum

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