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uilleann
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Icon 3 posted August 29, 2006 06:53            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Just things you've pondered...

  • Has anyone ever proposed a Unicode code point for the backwards 'B' in ABBA?

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With the exception of referencing a fading band, what else would you need a backwards B for?

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Icon 1 posted August 29, 2006 07:51      Profile for littlefish   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So you could write in code for kiddies books.

Remember the hidden messages that you had to hold up to the mirror?

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Icon 1 posted August 29, 2006 07:58      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Bizarre - I actually thought of the same thing a while back - not sure why... (cue Twilight Zone music)

While we're at it, what about Prince's squiggle character, or the Led Zep 'runes'?

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Icon 1 posted August 29, 2006 08:51            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
A malfunction in the Mutex?
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Icon 1 posted August 29, 2006 08:56      Profile for Mac D     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
You could just use a graphics program and turn things all you want. Then save it as a .jpg or something.

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Um ... I guess that works ... A  - BA ... Not so good in an e-mail or in IRC though... (yeah, UBB fucks it up)

And another question:

  • If holodecks became real, how long would Western civilation last?

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Icon 1 posted August 29, 2006 09:20      Profile for littlefish   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
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That's spelt wrong. The B's are the wrong way round!

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Icon 1 posted August 29, 2006 09:42            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Good point. Looks even weirder now.

[rant] I was more annoyed about the crap presentation. fs, if you are reading this, this is the sort of reason why I demand full control over generated HTML on a site instead of the crap that wikis and BBSes generate [Smile] Wikis and BBSes also don't permit pre-defined width and height (huge rendering benefits), title, alt ... Wikis are too geared towards dynamic sites, whereas a decent CMS would at least determine the width and height and store those in the cached HTML. (Why BBSes can't do this, too, I have no idea. Clueless pillock developers) [/rant]

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Icon 1 posted August 29, 2006 10:48      Profile for Ashitaka     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by uilleann:
Um ... I guess that works ... A  - BA ... Not so good in an e-mail or in IRC though... (yeah, UBB fucks it up)

And another question:

  • If holodecks became real, how long would Western civilation last?

It would last, it would just change, maybe so mucvh that it is not thought of as "western civilization" anymore.

The more damageing inventio would be the replicator. Anyways, how many people already live in the artificial reality that is the internet? And this phenominon is not just related to Western Civilization.

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Holodecks *are* replicators...
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quote:
Originally posted by uilleann:
Holodecks *are* replicators...

No they are not, The objects cannot leave the holodeck. If you made a bunch of food, to feed starving people, the food would disapear outside the holodeck. IT is based on the same imaginary technology, but they are not the same. The holodecks came first, it requires greater imaginary technology for a replicator.

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Surely a more likely scenario is the 'internal holodeck', i.e., if one can interpret alpha waves (or whetever they're friggin' called), the obvious corollary is to go the other way, to implant thougts - that is, internally generate hard hallucinations, so to speak. Then you could holo-pork holo-Winona Ryder until you're hollow, without leaving the comfort of your own dungeon^H^H^H^H^H... home. I just hope she ain't got holo-crabs...

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Just so long as it doesn't result in a physiological manifestation of things...

Likewise, the holodeck might require a transporter/replicator/reclamation function...otherwise the running joke about some very unlucky star-schmuck-in-uniform still applies. Just saying...

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I quote:

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13.7 Holographic Environment Simulators

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The Holodeck utilizes two main subsystems, the holographic imagery subsystem and the matter conversion subsystem ... The matter conversion subsystem creates physical "props" from the starship's central raw matter supply ...

Objects created on the Holodeck that are pure holographic images cannot be removed from the Holodeck ... Objects created by replicator matter conversion do have physical reality and can indeed be removed from the Holodeck, even though they will no longer be under computer control.

(Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual pp. 156-157)

The section also goes on to explain that stimuli such as smell and taste can be achieved by replicator techniques.

For example, if you fall into water on the holodeck (*grins at dragonman*) you don't suddenly dry out as you leave the environment threshold, you remain soaking wet after you exit. There is real matter used on the holodeck.

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Why don't you all just go to the holodeck and find out?
It's in the William H Gates Building, at MIT.
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quote:
Originally posted by uilleann:
If holodecks became real, how long would Western civilation last?

I think the invention most devastating to Western civilization would be something along the lines of what spungo so graphically articulated. [Roll Eyes] I once read a novel describing exactly this sort of scenario: "The Big Ball of Wax" written in 1954 by Shepherd Mead (who 2 years earlier penned "How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying"). From the book's back cover:

Molly Blood: Evangelist with a gimmick! Her revival meetings outdrew the World Series, the Miss America contests and everything else you could name. True, she had the figure of a burlesque queen (which she was, once), but there had to be something more to it than that. Lanny Martin, dynamic Madison Avenue-type account executive, set forth to find out what it was. He knew that Molly Blood's secret, whatever it was, posed the most terrible threat the business world had ever faced, for Molly's followers had found complete happiness without buying any consumer goods at all! How could that be? What did it mean? The answer was... just out of this world!

The idea being, once you can satisfy your psychological needs internally, where's the motivation to do anything externally? Western civilation (based so much on materialism and commercialism) collapses. But "thankfully" the book's main character hits on an ingenious way to thwart this invention by instead turning it into the most powerful advertising tool ever conceived (a case of the cure being worse than the disease). It's brilliant satire -- both humorous and thought-provoking -- and the world of 1992 (as envisioned by Mead back in 1954) is...well, in many ways a bit too close to the truth.

Oh, and BTW: the nickname for this devastating invention is..."XP". [Eek!] (I kid you not!)

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I dunno, I was thinking of it as if you could just buy a holodeck from a shop -- the same way you can buy a television and DVD player now -- and fit it to your house or garden; if you're going to holo-pork holo-Winona Ryder alone, you don't need much space inside, just enough to lie down. Spungo's suggestion ... I am not sure. Speaking for myself, I like the idea of physically walking into an environment that looks real via an entrance, it feels more real if from your perspective you never left real life. You know thus that the sensations you feel are real to some extent. I presume though that a headset variety would end up just as addictive. It's just splitting hairs as we were thinking about the same thing ultimately -- what if you could lose yourself outside of reality?

Anyone got any more questions?

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Tech Angel: sounds like the plot from Being John Malkovich.

This entire thread is mysteriously similar to one over @ Ambrosia Software titled "Earth: 30 years from now, The Future: Industry, Society, The World" which contains the quote:

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I also envision Unicode will include a backwards B in their character sets so I can type "ABBA" the proper way.


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quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
With the exception of referencing a fading band, what else would you need a backwards B for?

There're unicode characters for more obscure things.
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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
With the exception of referencing a fading band, what else would you need a backwards B for?

There're unicode characters for more obscure things.
I have never understood the arguement; "other people do stupid things so therefore I should"

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quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
With the exception of referencing a fading band, what else would you need a backwards B for?

There're unicode characters for more obscure things.
I have never understood the arguement; "other people do stupid things so therefore I should"
Don't think I'm rationalising, condoning, or suggesting it should be in there. I was merely making a point. The point is, there's characters in unicode for fucking jrr tolkien's elven, and klingon. A backwards b is likely in there somewhere.
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I read something a year or two ago. Can't remember where, Maybe CNN.com. But someone made some theroies to how a holodeck would work.

His ideas included Nano Technology. Trillions of little robots that could change there color and space themselves appropretly to create different softness or strength. So they could form close together to make a rock or farther appart to create a soft blanket.

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Some guy printed the entire unicode chart out.

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quote:
Originally posted by Steen:
Some guy printed the entire unicode chart out.

Cool!!!

Edit/P.S. Since this is a 'random' thread, here's something random and amusing:
http://www.bookofratings.com/dangersymbols.html
http://www.bookofratings.com/dangersymbols2.html

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