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ARJ
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Icon 1 posted July 09, 2006 18:56      Profile for ARJ   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
OK, so I have applied for Australian citizenship. (I will also be keeping my US citizenship. Two passports. Whee!) I must attend an interview in August in which I must be able to list my privileges and responsibilities for Australian citizenship.

Fellow GCers, I am enlisting your aid. Please help me out by randomly quizzing me on this via IM or email. It shouldn't be tough to memorise if I have people spontaneously reminding me every few days until my interview.

These are the privileges & responsibilities I have to memorise:

Privileges of Australian Citizens
It entitles you to privileges of Australian citizenship giving you the right to:
  • live in Australia
  • apply for an Australian passport and to leave and re-enter Australia without applying for a resident return visa
  • seek assistance from Australian diplomatic representatives while overseas
  • vote to help elect Australia's governments
  • stand for Parliament
  • work in the public service
  • serve in the armed forces
  • register as Australian citizens by descent any of your children born overseas after you become an Australian citizen.
Responsibilities of Australian Citizens
Citizenship also brings with it responsibilities. For example, citizens are required to:
  • obey Australian laws
  • enrol on Federal and state/territory electoral registers
  • vote in elections
  • defend Australia should the need arise
  • serve on a jury if called to do so.

If you are bored and feel like quizzing me, below are my various contacts:
AIM = Roceal
ICQ = 29382707
MSN = [email protected]
Email = [email protected]

(I probably won't be on IM until next week as I'm stuck on a project where the network is completely locked down.)

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Just remember... you asked for it [evil]

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ARJ
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Icon 1 posted July 09, 2006 20:29      Profile for ARJ   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Steen:
Just remember... you asked for it [evil]

Nyaahh... Bring it on!

[Wink] [Razz]

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Katie West: Well done steak? Really?

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Icon 1 posted July 10, 2006 00:11      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So... how many tinnies in a slab ?

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So when are you moving to a better part of the country? [evil] [evil] [evil]

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How many balls must be bowled in a standard over?

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quote:
Originally posted by ARJ:
  • defend Australia should the need arise

but which side would you defend if war between the aussies and yanks broke out...
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ARJ
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Icon 1 posted July 12, 2006 02:43      Profile for ARJ   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
So... how many tinnies in a slab ?

Call me elitist, but I prefer my beer on tap. [Big Grin]

quote:
Originally posted by Infinitesimal:
So when are you moving to a better part of the country? [evil] [evil] [evil]

Whenever WeirdArms finishes his blankety blank PhD. [Big Grin]

quote:
Originally posted by Astronomer Jedi:
How many balls must be bowled in a standard over?

I don't do cricket. [Razz]

quote:
Originally posted by maybe.logic:
but which side would you defend if war between the aussies and yanks broke out...

That's a silly question. A) It's not particularly likely. B) How should I know? Why are they fighting? Who started it? What's the historical context? [shake head]
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Icon 1 posted July 12, 2006 11:19      Profile for garlicguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ARJ:
Call me elitist...

You're elitist.

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quote:
Originally posted by ARJ:

quote:
Originally posted by maybe.logic:
but which side would you defend if war between the aussies and yanks broke out...

That's a silly question. A) It's not particularly likely. B) How should I know? Why are they fighting? Who started it? What's the historical context? [shake head]
Based on those questions, the answer would inevitably be "australia". [Wink]
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Mac D
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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
quote:
Originally posted by ARJ:

quote:
Originally posted by maybe.logic:
but which side would you defend if war between the aussies and yanks broke out...

That's a silly question. A) It's not particularly likely. B) How should I know? Why are they fighting? Who started it? What's the historical context? [shake head]
Based on those questions, the answer would inevitably be "australia". [Wink]
[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

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ARJ
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Icon 1 posted July 13, 2006 16:16      Profile for ARJ   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by garlicguy:
quote:
Originally posted by ARJ:
Call me elitist...

You're elitist.
Now that's what I like, a man who takes orders. [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
Based on those questions, the answer would inevitably be "australia".

You're likely right. But why go to the effort of invading Australia when the Australian gov't will just bend over and take a "Free Trade Agreement"?

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quote:
Originally posted by ARJ:

quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
Based on those questions, the answer would inevitably be "australia".

You're likely right. But why go to the effort of invading Australia when the Australian gov't will just bend over and take a "Free Trade Agreement"?
Nono, you got me backwards. I'm saying the answer as to which country would he likely side with? Because based on past history, the United States is known to be the aggressor putting its nose where it doesn't belong in such events -- except ones they should get in on, they sit around and do nothing until almost too late.

Thanks for ruining the joke. [Wink]

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What we do depends on who's in power at the time and ou overall position in global politics. THe US was not exactly a super power at the onset of WWI or II. Things have changed since then.

We can't win. We go isolationist, people get pissed at us. We get involved, people get pissed at us.

If FDR had had his way we would have entered WWII long before we actually did, but the rest of the county was feeling pretty isolationistic at the time. That changed overnight after Pearl Harbor.

Canada, of course, had no choice about when it entered the war. You can be smug about that if you want.

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As one who has gone through a naturalisation process, it can be long and tedious, but in the end worth it.

So anyway you are now going to have to remember that Football does not refer to Gridiron [Wink] . That an innings consists of 10 wickets or until declared. You are going to have to learn the difference between League and Union.

How is the accent going by the way?

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Icon 1 posted July 13, 2006 21:08      Profile for ARJ   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:

Nono, you got me backwards. I'm saying the answer as to which country would he likely side with? Because based on past history, the United States is known to be the aggressor putting its nose where it doesn't belong in such events -- except ones they should get in on, they sit around and do nothing until almost too late.

Thanks for ruining the joke. [Wink]

Um. You're welcome? Maybe I should be less linear next time. But then, I've always been good at ruining everyone's jokes, including my own. [blush]

Since the joke was already ruined: the question was "Who would you defend?" You answered "Australia"; subtly implying that the US would be aggressor. My point was that why would the US even bother to be an aggressor toward Australia when they've already got the economic advantage and the gov't here is thus far fairly happy to give that advantage up. It's not like John Howard is much of an analogue to Saddam Hussein, being all defiant with his rifles and big moustaches and whatnot. Sure, the US is good at sticking its nose in where it doesn't belong-- but only when it can't get what it wants. I see no real reason for that situation to arise anytime soon since Australia has already given up the goods.

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ARJ
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Icon 1 posted July 13, 2006 21:15      Profile for ARJ   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Swiss Mercenary:
As one who has gone through a naturalisation process, it can be long and tedious, but in the end worth it.

So anyway you are now going to have to remember that Football does not refer to Gridiron [Wink] . That an innings consists of 10 wickets or until declared. You are going to have to learn the difference between League and Union.

How is the accent going by the way?

The long and tedious part is already mostly over. From what other people have told me, once you're a PR and have lived in the country the required amount of time, the citizenship process is fairly easy. Basically I just have to do the interview, have someone sign a piece of paper declaring they know I'm me, and go through the ceremony. It may not happen instantaneously, but that's OK. For now, I'm not going anywhere.

Someone already told me the difference between League & Union and I promptly forgot-- mostly because I'm too big a geek to spend a lot of time watching sweaty men running around with balls, so my sports fact retention level is pretty low. And cricket only sounds somewhat appealing as an excuse to sit outside on the grass with an esky full of beer.

My American accent comes out for phone calls home. Other than that, it sits on a quiet dark shelf more and more while I say things like "tomAHto" and "cheers." [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by ARJ:
And cricket only sounds somewhat appealing as an excuse to sit outside on the grass with an esky full of beer.

Ah well I see that you got that bit totally correct [Wink] [Big Grin]

Most, okay all, of my sunday afternoons at cricket matches involved a freezer box full of beer [Roll Eyes] [thumbsup]

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Icon 1 posted August 28, 2006 22:32      Profile for ARJ   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Update: my interview went swimmingly. Now I just get to wait for my application to finish processing & to attend a citizenship ceremony.

Hooray for navigating bureaucratic hoops! [Applause]

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quote:
Originally posted by ARJ:
Update: my interview went swimmingly. Now I just get to wait for my application to finish processing & to attend a citizenship ceremony.

Hooray for navigating bureaucratic hoops! [Applause]

Congratulations.

btw - the easy way to navigate aussie bureaucracy is .... give 'em a slab.

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quote:
Originally posted by ARJ:
Update: my interview went swimmingly. Now I just get to wait for my application to finish processing & to attend a citizenship ceremony.

Hooray for navigating bureaucratic hoops! [Applause]

Let me add my congratulations to that too! Citizenship ceremonies are possibly the least interesting thing on the planet though (maybe it's less interesting if you already are one though...)

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Congratulations on your citizenship! You are now entitled to b*tch-slap Paul Hogan any time you feel the need to work off some stress [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
btw - the easy way to navigate aussie bureaucracy is .... give 'em a slab.

I'll post one to Canberra-- three months is so long [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by Steen:
Congratulations on your citizenship! You are now entitled to b*tch-slap Paul Hogan any time you feel the need to work off some stress

It's not official yet. I'm not a citizen until I've attended the ceremony. WeirdArms' mum forgot to take him to his when his family first moved here, and he had to re-apply when he was 18 and start from scratch [Eek!]

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quote:
Originally posted by ARJ:
And cricket only sounds somewhat appealing as an excuse to sit outside on the grass with an esky full of beer.

Blasphemy! Cricket is the only game.

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ARJ wrote:
It's not official yet. I'm not a citizen until I've attended the ceremony. WeirdArms' mum forgot to take him to his when his family first moved here, and he had to re-apply when he was 18 and start from scratch [Eek!]

Ouch!

On the bright side, he was probably the best prepared person taking the test the next time around [Smile]

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