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Kinguy
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Where's hate? Hate, in my opinion, is a base emotion. Is the complete opposite of Love.

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quote:
Originally posted by alfrin:
Where's hate? Hate, in my opinion, is a base emotion. Is the complete opposite of Love.

I thought that was apathy? Or nothingness? [Razz]
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Oh - do grow up for all our sakes...

(edit: rest of post removed on grounds of decency, sense, and thinking better of it...)

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GameMaster
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Icon 1 posted January 23, 2006 16:50      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Serenak, I wish I knew what the rest of your the post was. Anyway, The thread starter was... interesting.

In regards to base emotion, what exsactly are you asking? And, can you please deop the "ze"'s?

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quote:
Originally posted by Demosthenes:
quote:
Originally posted by alfrin:
Where's hate? Hate, in my opinion, is a base emotion. Is the complete opposite of Love.

I thought that was apathy? Or nothingness? [Razz]
Quite true, for if love and hate are opposites there are certainly many shortcuts to get from one to the other that do not seem to include passing through apathy.

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Icon 1 posted January 23, 2006 18:06      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Ah. I get it now.

Personally, I don't think there is a base emotion, then. I vaugly remember hearing/seeing something that says that a person's brain is active in different regions with different emotions, and some of the most unrelated (read: diametrically opposed) emotions are often connected very strongly. I think that there are "primary" emotions like there are "primary colors."

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How dare yoo uze ze mighty rushan aksent, yoo dorty kapitalist pig! [Razz]
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I believe the generally recognized ones are: sadness, happiness, anger, fear, surprise, disgust (see The Science of Emotion )

From my own experience I would say if one must distill them to their essences there are reinforceing and deinforcing emotions. Or put another way associative and disassociatve emotions. Let me try one more time... Emotions that make you want to experience an event again or avoid it. The rest are just flavors.

Or if you want to look at it another way there are emotions about self, others, actions, objects, and events (subdivided into future and past). If positive they make you want to have more of the same and on the negative side less of it. For yet another view see Emotion Categories

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It's all about fear and love

Then you burn down the motivational speaker's house and they find a pile of child pornography when they put it out.

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Ahh,

The thread is somewhat clearer now... and so is my head. [Smile]

Basic emotions? Hmmm - to me this means very raw and primal ones and their flipsides...

Love/Hate (to me you cannot hate something that you did not once love).

Fear/Anger (to me inexricably linked - and well documented in the fight/flight responses)

Happy/Sad (need I say more? and possibly a secondary function of the above...)

Make a crossed matix of those first four and you could make a fair approximation of the old D&D Good/Evil Law/Chaos Alignment chart that would cover a pretty good range of the human condition (make happy/sad a z axis and I reckon you wouldn't be far off a simplistic measure of where most people are...)

For those who care the deleted section of my previous post never got past the preview stage. More of a rant prompted by my own personal condition than anything coherent or worthy of this exalted board... Benefit of a BBS - you can read, consider and edit...

[Smile]

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GrumpySteen

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I don't think you can tie fear and anger together. Take, for example, someone who is afraid of heights. Love of heights, not anger at them, would be the opposite.

At first glance this might suggest a connection between fear and hate, but you can hate a particular food without being afraid of it.

Although I have seen some mighty scary brussel sprouts....

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I'd hesitate to list love and hate as emotions. They get triggered by emotional responses, but they linger far longer than the emotions that triggered them.

I'm with Serenak on the fear/anger link. You can certainly feel one without the other, but the adrenaline dump is still the same.

I'm not sure what the opposite of fear is. Comfortable maybe. People who aren't afraid of heights aren't necessarily in love with them either. They just aren't bothered by them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
I'd hesitate to list love and hate as emotions. They get triggered by emotional responses, but they linger far longer than the emotions that triggered them.

At the moment I may have to disagree with you. Love is perhaps one of the most powerful emotions experienced by a human. It can create insanity, delusions, and hate.

The feeling that things will be OK even when you know that they never will be. The devastation at the realization of love gone wrong. Love is primal. And love is dangerous.

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Shroom, the reason why I don't want to call love and hate emotions is because they last too long and have too much power. Remove the stimulus and things like fear and happiness and anger will subside. You can control things like fear and anger and happiness. That isn't the case with love or hate. They go deeper than emotion. You hate someone or something today and you'll most likely still be hating next day, next week, next month, next year. Same with love. They wash over you and drown you and you can't control either of them. They're more like states of being. Climate as opposed to weather, if you will.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Climate as opposed to weather, if you will.

I like that analogy. It does get right to the bone.

And I must admit you have a good point.

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