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... in our house. And it is awful. [Mad]

In the walls, in kitchen, they set up a clubhouse under our fridge, and in most the rooms. I suspect they are also using the heating vents to move throughout the house.

We think that's what caused NitroKitty's intestinal blockage... she was stalking something the night before getting ill.

I'll killed two with traps... one with a glue trap, (frig those things are inhumane, I'll never use one again.) another with a snap trap, that only did half the job, I had to finish it off with a shovel. yuk.

I'm a little worried about using poison because of our cat, but I may have to go that route. Any advice would be most appreciated.

YUK! [cry baby]

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Poison might not be a good idea - you don't want the rats to die in some out-of-reach place and stink up the whole house while they're decomposing.
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The geeky thing to do would be to trap a few in a non-killing method, set them with a tracking device (you could put them asleep before), folow their signal to find their entry point, close it - and check for similar places they could get in. Then bait the ones stuck inside into the trap, and drown them.

But the faster way would be to call a pest exterminator. They know how to handle that kind of problems.

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Too bad Kerry's too far away. Being part terrier, she's just right for the job. I'd go the pro route too, they would probably be able to get rid of them all. Those guys multiply like...well...rats, so it'd be hard to kill them all and keep them from returning.
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Snaggy, these work like a charm, involve no poison and will not accidentally trap your cat. They are listed as for mice, but I've frequently used them for the types of rats that bother most home/ranch owners with very good success. I prefer the Tin Cat model myself.

Good luck, especially since success in this endeavor may keep Nitrokitty healthy too!

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My boss lived in a rat-infested apartment in Boston for all six+ years of grad school. He has a deep-seated aversion to poison, so he's a big fan of the snap-traps. But I don't think he ever managed to end the problem.

We had a rat problem for a few years. Eventually the exterminator got them all but it was a fairly drawn out affair. Rats aren't stupid. You need to take multiple lines of attack.

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This is gross, but it usually works.

Rats and mice will usually abandon an area if it smells like cat urine. If Nitrokitty is using a litter box, take tablespoon sized amounts of the urine laced litter and tie them up in nylon hose (keeps the mess down) to make urine bombs. Place these under the fridge, in cupboards, vent pipes, corners and so forth.

Your whole place will smell like cat pee for a couple days while you do it (which may be worse than having the rats, depending on your opinion), but usually the rodents will leave. Once they're gone, you can remove the indoor urine bombs and justleave some in the basement/crawlspace and around the edges of the place to keep them out (although they do dry out and lose their smell, so you have to replace them with fresh ones every week or so).

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Snaggy____________If you can stand the smell and can keep it away from the cat. You could use moth balls, the old naptha kind just put them far enough under things that the cat can't get to it

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Step 1: Get a goodly-sized python.
Step 2: Let it loose in the house.
Step 3: Profit!

I'd let you borrow Sif, but she's still a baby and too small for full-sized rats. [ohwell]

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I have a friend who just went through all this with mice. While not as horrendous as rats, still, it was enough to drive him full scale batty for a while. He chronicled the story over on his LiveJournal.

Mouse Part 1

Mouse Part 2

Mouse Part 3

Mouse Part 4

Mouse Part 5

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quote:
Originally posted by Demosthenes:
Step 1: Get a goodly-sized python.
Step 2: Let it loose in the house.
Step 3: Profit!

I'd let you borrow Sif, but she's still a baby and too small for full-sized rats. [ohwell]

But then you have to bring in Bear cubs to take care of your new found snake problem.

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Posted by Nitrozac, via Snaggy's Pismo....

"One night at 3:30am, last week, I walked into the kitchen with a flashlight and I saw this big black thing between the fridge and the cupboard, and I thought "what is that? is that the dust pan brush, back there?" Then I made out its shape, it's black eyes met mine. I didn't scream, I was so shocked, and I shuffled backwards a bit, and it ran behind the fridge. That thing was really big and it looked exactly like those fake rubber rats.

I'm totally freaking out that NitroKitty might eat another one, I don't know if she could make it. So, it's really stressful around here. I'm thinking moving would be the best idea. [Frown]

So, do you think that even with the exterminator, that might not get rid of the rats permanently? I was thinking that might be the case."

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The problem with poison is that your cat may get into it either by direct contact or by indirect contact (via one of the rats that has been in contact with it). Most exterminators use a combination of traps and poison baits. If you go the exterminator route, make certain you tell them of your desire to avoid poisons for your cat's and your own sake.

Poisonless traps work and can eliminate all the current population - it may take some time. Also, part of the purging process is to thoroughly assess and then seal off all points of entrance and egress to the building, including roof and eve areas. Rats are great climbers and often enter via wires or overhanging trees. Then they live in the attic and climb down the insides of the walls to forage. They use the same methods when approaching from crawl spaces, basements, etc.

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Snaggy & Nitrozac_________________If you are going to be out of town for a few days. Go to one of those large pet stores, and buy a whole house flea bomb, those things have the same componets as nerve gas. Calculate the square footage of your house, buy three times as many as the cans call for. You don't want to miss any. Seal up the place as well as possible, set them off as you are leaving, come back from your trip air out the place and pick up the bodies.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
Snaggy & Nitrozac_________________If you are going to be out of town for a few days. Go to one of those large pet stores, and buy a whole house flea bomb, those things have the same componets as nerve gas. Calculate the square footage of your house, buy three times as many as the cans call for. You don't want to miss any. Seal up the place as well as possible, set them off as you are leaving, come back from your trip air out the place and pick up the bodies.

Those things work too. They will kill anything.

Um, otherwise, exterminator will be ure best bet. Its going to take time. Start putting all food in plastic containers (eg, become VERY good friends with ure local Tupperware consultant). Keep using the traps, as every little bit helps. And hope for the best. Most likely, the rats/mice/rodents ate something that was mildly poisonous (have any fertilizer in the garage?) and the cat got it. Normally though, cat should be ok. But yes, precautions with it are wise.

Good luck.

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Yep, all of our stuff is in plastic containers, silverware, food, etc. what a headache. [shake head]

Traps caught two last night. [thumbsup]

One was dead (good old fashioned spring trap), the other wasn't (new fangeled plastic spring trap) . [ohwell]

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Snaggy___________One of the problems with traps is that the dead rodent leaves behind some aromas that the other rats can smell so it is a good idea to continue to buy new traps as then you can air the used ones out.

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Don't get too carried away with bug bombs - that is, if you're not planning to re-create Mythbusters episode 23 [Smile]
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quote:
Originally posted by alfrin:
But then you have to bring in Bear cubs to take care of your new found snake problem.

Well, honestly, I'm trying to powerfeed her so that she'll grow into her tank.

Anyway, if you end up with snakes all over the house, just turn down the heat and wait for a cold snap, and boom! Problem solved. (Not that pythons are a problem; the little critters eat all kinds of things that you don't want around, won't raid your fridge, aren't poisonous, don't destroy your property, and are cute, friendly little things.)

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Nitrozac and Snaggy, I hope that you can get your rat problems resolved soon and that kitty doesn't get ahold of any more.


My dad and I saw a rat the other night that was the size of a cat. We thought it was a cat at first, but then it started to cross the street, and, from the silhouette, we then thought it was a possum. However, as it continued to cross, it came under the street lamp and we got a better look. We've both seen plenty of possums before, and this was definitely not a possum. It was the biggest rat I'd ever seen in my life. So disgusting!! We have lots of rats here on the island. You can always see them running through the trees at night. A baby rat once fell from my parents attic, through the ceiling and into their sink. Imagine their surprise that morning when they went to brush their teeth!

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Unfortunately with rats you have to be pretty extreme to get rid of them if you've got a full infestation. It might be safer to move NitroKitty off to stay with friends for a while and generally make the place as rat toxic as possible.

I thought you guys rented btw ? If so, doesn't your landlord have an interest (or even obligation) to help make the place pest free?

At the extreme end of rat control, one city council's rat catchers found that if you caught a few rats and sewed up their bottoms, the intestinal build up caused them to go crazy and kill large numbers of other rats before dying. Very very nasty method of rat control, but like pigeons, you have to use pretty extreme methods to control a serious infestation as they breed so fast.

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Zwilnik wrote:
one city council's rat catchers found that if you caught a few rats and sewed up their bottoms

Well I'm horrified.

At what point after catching a rat do you say to yourself "Hmm... I wonder what would happen if I sewed this thing's ass shut?"

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Zwilnik, yep we rent, and the landlord finally decided to do something about it. Tomorrow someone from pest control is coming over to do something, but he says he'll only be here for 15 minutes. [ohwell]

regarding sewing a rat's butt shut... that's gotta be an urban legend. Good grief!

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But remember, there's a group of people that do strange things with duct tape and gerbils (I think?)...

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quote:
Originally posted by Steen:
Zwilnik wrote:
one city council's rat catchers found that if you caught a few rats and sewed up their bottoms

Well I'm horrified.

At what point after catching a rat do you say to yourself "Hmm... I wonder what would happen if I sewed this thing's ass shut?"

That seems to occur usually after about the 6th Guinness...

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