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Icon 1 posted October 06, 2005 03:14      Profile for Luke Skywalker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Ok, so seeing all the ads, and todays JOT, What the hell is it? I know crap about it. And I refuse to see something that I know nothing about. So enlighten me.

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quote:
Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:
So enlighten me.

It's shiny.

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quite simply it's the best Sci-Fi series, and now film, ever made. It's about a bunch of characters with somewhat dodgy intentions, living on the edge of civilisation in their transport ship, doing a bit of crime and getting caught up with pretty much every bit of trouble going.

and there are trailers for Serenity on quicktime.com [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:
Ok, so seeing all the ads, and todays JOT, What the hell is it? I know crap about it. And I refuse to see something that I know nothing about. So enlighten me.

Just fucking Google it!

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Luke, if you liked Star Wars, (the original Star Wars), I'd bet a Wookie you'll love Firefly/Serenity. [thumbsup]

It's a story centered around a Han Solo-ish character, in a universe where if you don't shoot first you're dead, with a spectacular cast, great dialogue, and no cutesy aliens.

I highly recommend the DVD's of the TV series too. [Beard of Peter Gabriel!]

Editorial: Someone over at Univeral Pictures marketing has failed miserably if Luke Skywalker doesn't know about Firefly/Serenity yet. [shake head]

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Except it's much better than Star Wars. [Big Grin]
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Maybe I'm biased, but comparing Firefly/Serenity to Star Wars isn't fair. It's apples and oranges. They're about completely different things. Firefly/Serenity is about survival and self-determination. Star Wars is an epic about redemption and Good vs. Evil.

However, if you want to compare the effectiveness with which they tell their stories, then comparisons might be appropriate.

Just my two credits. I'll go back to writing my book and knitting Jayne hats now. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
quote:
Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:
Ok, so seeing all the ads, and todays JOT, What the hell is it? I know crap about it. And I refuse to see something that I know nothing about. So enlighten me.

Just fucking Google it!
Hey Luke, you know what Google is, right?
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quote:
Originally posted by Grey_girl:
Maybe I'm biased, but comparing Firefly/Serenity to Star Wars isn't fair. It's apples and oranges. They're about completely different things. Firefly/Serenity is about survival and self-determination. Star Wars is an epic about redemption and Good vs. Evil.

However, if you want to compare the effectiveness with which they tell their stories, then comparisons might be appropriate.

Just my two credits. I'll go back to writing my book and knitting Jayne hats now. [Wink]

[Razz]

True enough - it's just that the prequels sucked! My only comparison is pretty much with the quality and overall enjoyment of Serenity vs. whatever "Episode III" is called (that's how worthless it was to me).

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quote:
Originally posted by Grey_girl:
Maybe I'm biased, but comparing Firefly/Serenity to Star Wars isn't fair. It's apples and oranges.

Quite right.
Whedon hired actors for the lead roles.

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Favorite line from Serenity: "I ain't had nothin' twixt my nethers ain't had batteries." [Big Grin]
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quote:
Originally posted by Grey_girl:
Maybe I'm biased, but comparing Firefly/Serenity to Star Wars isn't fair. It's apples and oranges. They're about completely different things. Firefly/Serenity is about survival and self-determination. Star Wars is an epic about redemption and Good vs. Evil.

I haven't seen this film yet because it only comes out in the UK next week so this is written with all the confidence of the completely ignorant, but a review I heard on the radio this evening compared Star Wars with Serenity also as political allegories. It said they both were also about how a society with absolute power becomes corrupted, with perhaps some resonance with today's world (not that I want to start another political flame fest!)

So perhaps there are more areas where you can play the compare and contrast game.

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The reason I prefer it to Star Wars is that quite simply it's Sci-Fi not Space Opera. In Serenity, it's all within the realms of scientific possibility (just about), no warp drives, hyperspace or any of that "make the universe fit the story" stuff. There's not even any aliens and even the major Chinese influence on the language is an interesting extrapolation of the current space race (I'll give you odds on the Chinese setting up a viable moonbase before the Americans).

Star Wars is classic space opera. No science or extrapolation from current ideas about science, just lots of spaceships that can go from A to B, find out B has been blown up by another giant spacecraft and go to C where they hide until they get spotted. The original Star Wars was a classic in its own right, but it was B-Movie stuff done with a decent budget and special effects.

Don't even get me started on Star Trek [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by Snaggy:
I'd bet a Wookie...

(HORRENDOUSLY OFF TOPIC)

I can never see the word "Wookie" anymore without thinking of the Bloodhound Gang..
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Yes, I'm kinda' like Han Solo, always strokin' my own wookie...
You may now resume your regularly scheduled thread, already in progress.

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quote:
Originally posted by MacManKrisK:
quote:
Originally posted by Snaggy:
I'd bet a Wookie...

(HORRENDOUSLY OFF TOPIC)

I can never see the word "Wookie" anymore without thinking of the Bloodhound Gang..
quote:
Yes, I'm kinda' like Han Solo, always strokin' my own wookie...
You may now resume your regularly scheduled thread, already in progress.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Just fucking Google it!

You know dm, sometimes one likes to get the impression of people that are familiar to oneself, rather than a random internet opinion.
Hence the popularity of internet forums.

Google is great but itís not the solution to everything.

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quote:
Originally posted by RScottV:
quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Just fucking Google it!

You know dm, sometimes one likes to get the impression of people that are familiar to oneself, rather than a random internet opinion.
Hence the popularity of internet forums.

Google is great but itís not the solution to everything.

I have no patience for ignorance. His post basically says "I don't know anything, and am unwilling to make any effort - spoonfeed me."

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by Grey_girl:
Maybe I'm biased, but comparing Firefly/Serenity to Star Wars isn't fair. It's apples and oranges.

Quite right.
Whedon hired actors for the lead roles.

Oh, Lucas hired actors. That wasn't what the problem was. As I wrote earlier, effectiveness of storytelling makes a big difference.

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My favorite quote was:

"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar."

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"I swallowed a bug."

[Big Grin]

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quote:
(HORRENDOUSLY OFF TOPIC)

I can never see the word "Wookie" anymore without thinking of the Bloodhound Gang..

"My name is Jimmy Pop and I'm a dumb white guy"

Dang it, now it's stuck in my head again [crazy]

Edit: Ahem. Pardon the continued interruption.

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I always think of Ralph Wiggum from The Simpsons:

"I bent my Wookie."

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quote:
Originally posted by Zwilnik:
The reason I prefer it to Star Wars is that quite simply it's Sci-Fi not Space Opera. In Serenity, it's all within the realms of scientific possibility (just about), no warp drives, hyperspace or any of that "make the universe fit the story" stuff.

So how do they travel from one solar system to another? Or do they? [Confused]
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quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
I always think of Ralph Wiggum from The Simpsons:

"I bent my Wookie."

Hahaha.

Dana, they don't.

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quote:
Originally posted by Danapoppa:
quote:
Originally posted by Zwilnik:
The reason I prefer it to Star Wars is that quite simply it's Sci-Fi not Space Opera. In Serenity, it's all within the realms of scientific possibility (just about), no warp drives, hyperspace or any of that "make the universe fit the story" stuff.

So how do they travel from one solar system to another? Or do they? [Confused]
They don't, they're all in one big solar system. (there's another thread around here somewhere with a stream of the first 9 minutes which explains where they are). It's a pretty cool story concept in that it allows both short and long travel times (so you can have "in-transit" storylines and you're still within the realms of reasonable science (ie a whacking great ion drive)

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