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Rhonwyyn

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Icon 1 posted April 05, 2005 21:31      Profile for Rhonwyyn   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
This is from my dear sister in response to my offer to sell her my beautiful acoustic viola in order to buy an electric-acoustic 5-string violin:

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Are you smoking something? I do not wish to purchase an instrument of torture-- the sound of which terrorizes myself and others. No! If you heard me play you wouldn't want to even offer me thesale of yourviola. I'm supposed to play with vibrato for the final!Can you understand having vibrato after 6 weeks of the instrument and only 12 weeks of string instruments ingeneral? I don't know what I'm goingto do, because Ican't do any vibrato at all yet. Hopefully that willchange verysoon.


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Icon 1 posted April 05, 2005 22:35      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Believe me, if she's nervous, vibrato will come easily. Very easily. Her big concern will be to not be playing spiccato as well.

/bad audition memories

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Icon 12 posted April 06, 2005 10:24      Profile for MTB Babe   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Wow I've always wanted an electric violin.

I can play vibrato, but only using bad form; I bend my wrist. I was always getting in trouble with my instructor for that [Frown]

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Icon 1 posted April 06, 2005 14:04      Profile for Spiderman     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
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I can do vibrato....but I play flute [Razz]

Previous singing experience further backing up said vibrato capabilities...
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I still would love learn violin, just so I can use one of the electric variety [Wink] . I highly doubt I'll ever find time in my schedule to pull that off though [Frown] .

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I can do vibrato....but I play flute [Razz]

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Did you ever go to band camp? [Wink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Black Widow:
quote:
Originally posted by Spiderman:
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I can do vibrato....but I play flute [Razz]

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Did you ever go to band camp? [Wink]
Hehe, as a matter of fact, yes...about 5 years ago. Nothing quite like *that* band camp though... [Wink] [Razz]

Edit: Where ya been? I haven't seen you on IRC for awhile...

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Does music camp count? I went for piano and sang in the show chorus. Incidentally, I met a really nice (i.e., talented, intelligent, friendly) Mormon trumpet player there who ended up transfering to my school the next year.

Turns out my semi-best friend (whom I met at PSU three years ago--OSG to some of you), a flute player, went to the same music camp the year after I went. Small world, huh?

And yes, MTB, you're not the only one who bends her wrist while playing vibrato. I think it's a result of how my teacher taught me to play.  -

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I could never play vibrato, and was always jealous of those who could. I did go to one band camp, but only stayed there for part of a day, not overnight.

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quote:
Originally posted by Spiderman:
quote:
Originally posted by Black Widow:
Did you ever go to band camp? [Wink]

Hehe, as a matter of fact, yes...about 5 years ago. Nothing quite like *that* band camp though... [Wink] [Razz]

Edit: Where ya been? I haven't seen you on IRC for awhile...

I too am a flautist, and went to band camp for five years also, and no, I never did anything like that!

In re: edit
I have been busy. [Wink] [Wink] [Razz] [hearts]

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LOL.. i play the saxophone, the clarinet and guitar.
I can't really do a vibrato on the clarinet, unless I use a very soft reed (even softer than those intended for jazz- which are already quite soft, compared to those "classic-music"-ones)..
But on the sax, it's very easy- use a rico royal select jazz 2h reed, and just playing a little with the pressure of your lower jaw, and voila, you did it.. Thats cool..

And on the guitar.. well... californiarockr- I guess you know that this is an easy one *gg*.
I either do string-bending (which I cant really do, because my fingers are too weak), or I use the tremolo system.. Technically, tremolo is the wrong word, but its common, and its the same I guess-
If its not, please correct me!

Please let me know for how much you have sold the viola then!

Thanks,
thomas

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I like to play a lot of AC/DC on my guitar, and to be able to pull of Angus' solos, you have to be able to do bends and vibratos at the same time.. insanity. But it sounds good. [Smile]
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Quick question: how much costs an electric violin? I play with the idea of adding a new instrument to my list, and this would be a good one, as I wouldn't "torture" [Wink] my neighbours while learning by myself. I've done a few internet searches, but they either don't give price, or they don't give the info I'd like. (What good is it to know that an electric violin for professionnals can cost up to many grands? I won't pay that much just for fun. And I guess the lowly priced ones aren't of the silent kind, but rather traditional ones with a mic plug.)

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From my research, it looks like only Yamaha makes silent violins. They have a microphone jack so that you can plug in and practice wherever/whenever.

If you really want info on electric violins, check out Fiddleforum. There's a list of sponsors on the left side. Emily carries some good inexpensive violins. Gianna violins and Jordan violins are really good, but out of my price range. I'd really like a Jordan, but Emily has a G-clef -shaped electric 5-string for sale on eBay that I might bid on closer to the ending date.

In addition to the sponsor pages, the forums have anything and everything you'd want to know about electric violins and fiddle-playing in general: teaching advice, lessons, mp3s, advice on buying, bargain classifieds (people even advertise paying gigs!), etc. Definitely worth checking out. Membership lets you download and see threads hidden from the general public, but it's free. [Smile]

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Depending on why you want it, you might also consider getting pickups for your viola, if it's just because you want to hook up to an amp. I have some for my violin and they work great. I've always been partial to the acoustic sound, myself.

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Yeah, I've thought about add-on pickups, but I really want the range of a 5-string and the flashiness of an electric. I'm a glutton for attention! [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
From my research, it looks like only Yamaha makes silent violins. They have a microphone jack so that you can plug in and practice wherever/whenever.

What about MIDI violins, is that pretty much the same thing? Well, I guess most MIDI violin's would also be able to be connected to an amp.

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Correction: Juilliards apparently makes silent electrics too. They have about 10 different violins on eBay right now.

I've heard of MIDI violins... where the sound produced when you play doesn't sound like a violin but of vocals or Darth Vader or whatever you program it to play.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
I've heard of MIDI violins... where the sound produced when you play doesn't sound like a violin but of vocals or Darth Vader or whatever you program it to play.

Umm, sort of. Have you come across MIDI in general before? Basically, it's sort of like sheet music in digital format, it records what notes are played, how long, etc, etc. Whatever you use to play back the MIDI file has the responsibility of what it sounds like. If you want realistic sounding instruments (especially things like piano and violin which are hard to get right), then you have to store actual recordings of a piano and a violin playing notes at a range of frequencies (called samples), and then calculate what a given note will sound like when asked to play it. I've heard some good things about timidity, which is an open source MIDI player. If you're into music, it's fun stuff to play around with.

/has a MIDI keyboard at home
//but no sound card with MIDI input in my PC, at present [Frown]

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