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Orpheus
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Icon 1 posted July 15, 2004 14:39      Profile for Orpheus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I am so brainfried right now, I've been shopping for a general purpose workstation for lab all day. I haven't really been keeping up on what's hot in the processor fields so I had to do a lot of research. Right now my brain is swimming with Opterons, Xenons, Athlon64 FX, MX, P4 extreme editions, and lets not even get started with all the video card options. *mumbles incoherently about Quadro 3000's and FireGL* Macs aren't really an option though because of some of the more specialized software we might need to run. I'm thinking of a dual boot XP pro / some flavor of Linux system. I've come up with a few nice single and dual processor systems that average $4K but I still need to consider all my options. Right now I'm just sort of inundated with possibilities.

Sorry for the rambling post, but if you're still reading this, you might find this next bit interesting. If you have $5K (not including montior) to spend on an absolutely beautiful system. Check out alienware's ALX line. Its pretty crazy but damn if those aren't some of the sweetest machines I've ever seen. Among other things they come with the fastest processors, video cards, and memory, plus a RAID 0 array of Western Digital's 74 GB 10,000 RPM SATA hard drives. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go have a private moment with a printout of my dream system.

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Icon 1 posted July 15, 2004 15:10      Profile for -ct-   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
a workstation for a lab for $4,000???!


YIKES
but i guess that depends on what you're gonna use the workstation for...


i'd love to get the contract to build your systems! [Big Grin] [Big Grin]


bottom line reliable guarenteed pc for general use as a "workstation" i can get to you a dozen for that price

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Xanthine

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Icon 1 posted July 15, 2004 22:51      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
You doing structure stuff, sequencing stuff, or simulations Orpheus? Those are the only biological type of things I can think of that require that much power.

*thinks about the Octanes in the x-ray core and the G4 in the lab

We really need to get Denzo and O and maybe a couple other of the crystallography programs onto that G4. The SGIs are nice, but the x-ray core is in the basement and we're on the fourth floor. CrystalClear is also a good one, but it runs on a Windoze platform, and we use it mostly just to collect data.

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Icon 3 posted July 16, 2004 01:16      Profile for nekomatic     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
We really need to get Denzo and O and maybe a couple other of the crystallography programs onto that G4. The SGIs are nice, but the x-ray core is in the basement and we're on the fourth floor.

If they're on the same network, can you not use the programs on the SGI through an x terminal type thing on the Mac? (I don't really know what I'm talking about here but the dragon will.) Of course it should be possible to install them on the Mac too, but the former might be an instant solution until you can persuade someone to do / let you do the latter...
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DigitalBill

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Icon 1 posted July 16, 2004 06:19      Profile for DigitalBill   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Orpheus:
I am so brainfried right now, I've been shopping for a general purpose workstation for lab all day.
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Macs aren't really an option though because of some of the more specialized software we might need to run.

Orpheus,

I'm not sure what this "specialized software" for the lab might be... but you might want to look at http://www.apple.com/science/.

Since the changeover to OS X, and especially Panther, Macs provide all the open-source stuff you would want a Linux-based machine for, with extreme processing power and the ability to run mainstream apps like Microsoft Office and Photoshop. Kinda like getting all the benefits of that dual-boot PC, without all that annoying rebooting (or viruses, spyware, browser popups, hijacking, and security holes big enough to drive a truck through...)

Just a thought..

=DB

...who lusts after a dual-2.5GHz G5, but is happy with his 1.5GHz Powerbook 17

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Icon 1 posted July 16, 2004 06:59      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by nekomatic:
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
We really need to get Denzo and O and maybe a couple other of the crystallography programs onto that G4. The SGIs are nice, but the x-ray core is in the basement and we're on the fourth floor.

If they're on the same network, can you not use the programs on the SGI through an x terminal type thing on the Mac? (I don't really know what I'm talking about here but the dragon will.) Of course it should be possible to install them on the Mac too, but the former might be an instant solution until you can persuade someone to do / let you do the latter...
Absolutely. They don't even have to be on the same network - they just have to be capable of accessing the required IP addresses (via routing if necessary). Basically, you could SSH into the SGI, and run any X or command line apps from a workstation somewhere else, enjoying the SGI's power. However, if it needs to do direct rendering to the screen, that's another story, but probably less likely in Xanthine's work, IIRC. BTW, while you could use a Mac (as it has X11 available, if not included by default), you can also use a Linux box (Of course!!), or even a Windows box, running cygwin, with rootless X.

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Xanthine

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Icon 1 posted July 16, 2004 07:39      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Direct rendering on a screen = huge complicated graphic? Because that is EXACTLY what we need to be doing. I don't think the SGIs are networked to anything outside the x-ray core. As dman once said, the best virus protection is complete isolation.

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Icon 1 posted July 16, 2004 09:00      Profile for Orpheus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Well, we probably don't *need* all the power but one of the things I'd like to use it for is rendering protein movies which takes forever and a day. Some of the other things we might need to run include software tools that can do force-field calculations like Spartan and others. The G5 is indeed tempting though we have a nice discount deal with Dell. Another thing is we might at some point use it as a data acquisition machine for on of our instruments and I'd need to look into the availability of a data capture card and drivers for a Mac. Oh and those $4k estimates include one or 2 LCD monitors, high end video cards and everything else.

Its nice not spending your own money [Wink] I actually discovered that the clunky old computer I have now in one lab is a dual 800 MHz with a gig of rambus ram. And when it was new cost a grand total of around $7,000. Now the fans are all squeaky and the case doesn't fit quite right. Soon when I don't have my office-mate's data backed up on it anymore I get to wipe it out and do a fresh install of fedora core 2 or something. I'll also clean the dust out of it and hopefully get it to stop being so damn noisy when it runs.

hehe yes considering all the computer clusters I know about on campus it would be a very lucrative job to sell us computers. [Smile]

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Icon 1 posted July 16, 2004 11:30      Profile for drunkennewfiemidget     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
heh. my current production webserver is a dual p3-733 xeon with 1GB of rambus ram.

When it was new, I was the envy of everyone I know, now it's just.. "Meh.. it works."

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Icon 1 posted July 16, 2004 15:48      Profile for littlefish   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
When I got my cube I was the envy of no-one. I am still the envy of very few people. However, if I was to sell my baby, I could upgrade from 450 to 1000MHz, a rage 128 to some other faster GPU and 20 gig to 80 gig as a hard drive.
OTOH, I like my toaster, and the only reason I will upgrade is if I can run doom3 with no financial outlay. So watch out on ebay if the doom3 specs for mac coincide with an emac. My cube may be going....

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Icon 1 posted July 16, 2004 19:37      Profile for zesovietrussian     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Orpheus:
Before you go out and spend $1000+ on that Quadro or FireGL, why don't you take a look at this article? IMHO, it would be a good idea to grab a $250 256meg Radeon 9800 Pro, mod it into a FireGL X2 and spend the leftover cash on a nice LCD.

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Icon 1 posted July 16, 2004 20:48      Profile for knightwhosaysNI     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
CRAY CRAY ALL THE WAY!!!

seriously, if your going for a PC, then build one yourself, it's cheaper and you have the satifatcion of your own machine. But DON;T GET A CELERON!!! you can't overclock them. If money is not a priotiy then go for apple

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