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Xanthine,

50k sounds a bit too optomistic. 25-30 I could pretty well guarantee. 50 would depend on the treatment from it P O's (previous owners).

Stay away from Escorts, both kind, though the Ford one is probably worse. At the price you are looking at it would be a P.O.S. Never buy a 4 cyl Ford. I am not biased against Fords either I have owned quite a few. The American car industry only in the last 8-9 years has reached a point that I would trust them building a 4 cylinder.

Save some cash and use the Subaru as a trade up when you can afford to. Remember, don't sell the car broken or you will absolutely lose on it. Also, if after this clutch work it is no trouble then run the wheels off it.

Even though I said it is at the end of its life I have seens cars that should not even pull out of the driveway go further than some new cars. The 200 dollar beater I have, has a computer case side screwed down to the floor so nobody falls through. But, I get in it every day and drive 30 - 50 miles in it and I have only given it a tuneup. Also this is a 42 yr old car.

Good luck X

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AUTOMOBILE From Eng. ought to, and Lat. moveo, to move. A vehicle which ought to move, but frequently can't. (source: The Foolish Dictionary.)
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The general rule of thumb (at least IMHO) is that imports are better cars once they've exceeded the 150k km (100k mi[ish]) range. Toyota, VW, Honda, (NOT Hyundai or Daewoo though). Generally though, their used prices reflect that.

Old VWs generally behave themselves. I have a '94 VW Golf with 320,000km (200,000mi[ish]) on it, and I've driven the crap out of it for the last 3 years, and spent relatively little money on it. I know that's anecdotal data, but from what I've heard, seen, and read, that's the most common scenario.

I drive too fast.
I take off too quickly.
I make it drive when it's really cold.
I don't do oil changes as often as I should.
It looks like crap (rusting out).

But it still starts every time I put a key in it, and gets me home.

I'll be getting myself a brand new car once one of the 3 speeding tickets on my record are eradicated (I said I drive too fast. [Embarrassed] )

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quote:
The general rule of thumb (at least IMHO) is that imports are better cars once they've exceeded the 150k km (100k mi[ish]) range.
(my emphasis)

SI prefixes please! 100Mm!

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hehe. Sadly, my post is more coherent with non-standard abbreviations. Million? Miles? Millimetres? [Razz]
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Hey Xanthine,

Any word on your ride, yet?

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The word came in about 15 minutes after I wok up this morning...my clutch was slipping and I need a new one. They're also replacing a gasket on the transmission (not the whole transmission, just a gasket thank god) and a fly wheel. It'll be ready this evening, but I'm not gonna get out of here until after they close so I told them to hold onto the sucker until tomorrow am. The repairs are pretty damn painful to my pocketbook, but at least the bastards are being quick about it.

If anyone can tell me in very simple words what a slipping clutch is I'd be very much obliged. I'd be even more obliged if you could tell me what happened to make it slip and how I can prevent a future occurence.

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Sounds like the disc is simply worn through - it's a bit like a brake pad losing its bite (and if it has no bite, it will slip). I assume it's an automatic? I know on manual cars if the previous owner was fond of riding the clutch it can overheat and fail after a while.

edit: They're replacing the flywheel? I would have thought that was less likely to fail than the clutch itself...

edit, part 2: just did some reading - apparently if the flywheel is reasonably worn, then bunging a new clutch in without fixing the flywheel can trash the new clutch. Makes sense I suppose.

Ah, the joys of motoring. [ohwell]

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Here is a reasonable description on how a clutch works. Basically, a clutch disconnects the engine from the rest of the drive train while the driver is changing gears. As can be seen in the lame graphic on the above link the two 'plates' are normally held together by springs and friction, as you press the clutch the plates seperate and you are freewheeling, both on the engine side and on the drivetrain side. Rookie shifters tend to 'ride' the clutch, as spungo eluded to, causing the plates to grid against each other....over time this will lead to the kind of damage your putt putt is experiencing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
The word came in about 15 minutes after I wok up this morning...my clutch was slipping and I need a new one. They're also replacing a gasket on the transmission (not the whole transmission, just a gasket thank god) and a fly wheel. It'll be ready this evening, but I'm not gonna get out of here until after they close so I told them to hold onto the sucker until tomorrow am. The repairs are pretty damn painful to my pocketbook, but at least the bastards are being quick about it.

If anyone can tell me in very simple words what a slipping clutch is I'd be very much obliged. I'd be even more obliged if you could tell me what happened to make it slip and how I can prevent a future occurence.

Usually, what causes a slipping clutch, is when the driver rides the clutch, or rests their foot on it. So, don't do that! As you may already know, you use your clutch to change gears right? Well, if your clutch is slipping, to put it in simple terms, that doesn't go so smoothly. Best to get that fixed as soon as you find out, it'd be much worse later on otherwise.

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Replacing the flywheel?

Did they say why? Most times you can get them resufaced instead. Unless the flywheel is a multilayer piece. You might want to see if they can resurface or at least find out why they are replacing it instead.

I recall that you said the clutch came with the car so that isn't too bad. A lot of clutches only last about 70k miles.

I am going to assume this is a full clutch job, right? Clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing and the input shaft seal (That must be the gasket they are replacing). Make sure they don't skimp on these pieces. Last thing you want is to have them go into the clutch works for another related piece that wasn't done the last round.

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Ooh a chance to go gearhead.

The clutch is in basic theory a friction point between the revving engine and the transmission. What is does is seperate the spinning of the engine from the rest if the drive train in order to changes gears. The clutch disk itself sits between the flywheel and a pressure plate. It is coated with many types of material. The pressure plate is what does the major work. When you push on the clutch pedal it pushes the throwout bearing into the pressure plate ( think of a lever system). The pressure plate relieves pressure from the engine and the trans to allow them to spin free of each other.

Clutches wear out over time some faster than others. As TCTQ said resting your foot on the clutch will speed up the process. It allows there to be some movement between the two then the forces of friction kick in. Though at the milage you have on it I would say it just got tired.

Boy I love useless knowledge.

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The transmission in my car is shot. The 3rd and 4th gear slider rail broke, and as such, no matter how you shift, you grind into 3rd and 4th.

Sadly, I don't even care. I'm going to drive it until it refuses to move anymore, and then buy a new one.

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spungo, it's a manual. A very old manual.

They left a message on my machine. Another $45 for a goddammed bolt. A bolt. A fscking bolt.

Is there a mechanic in the audience who'd care to explain to me why a mother-fscking bolt is worth $45????????????????????????

Sorry about the swearing, but I think this is one of those times when it's appropriate. Don't you?

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Supply and demand, Xanthine.

The bolt is probably a specialized part, perhaps particular to older models of your car, and is therefore in limited supply, and rare demand. Ergo, limited production, hard to find, and as such, rather pricey. The very unfortunate fact is that you are the one suffering this sad reality :-/.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
They left a message on my machine. Another $45 for a goddammed bolt. A bolt. A fscking bolt.

Is there a mechanic in the audience who'd care to explain to me why a mother-fscking bolt is worth $45????????????????????????

Why do they charge $45 for a bolt?
Because they can. [Frown]

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Supply and demand, Xanthine.

The bolt is probably a specialized part, perhaps particular to older models of your car, and is therefore in limited supply, and rare demand. Ergo, limited production, hard to find, and as such, rather pricey. The very unfortunate fact is that you are the one suffering this sad reality :-/.

Not so rare they didn't have it in stock though.

Bloody hell.

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I know you can't see this, X, but I'm praying to the capricious dieties of internal combustion that the XanthWagon (TM) will be spared further hobblings and dramas, for I too remember days when you just cannot believe how much more the goddammed piece of crap keeps costing. [ohwell]

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
They left a message on my machine. Another $45 for a goddammed bolt. A bolt. A fscking bolt.

Is there a mechanic in the audience who'd care to explain to me why a mother-fscking bolt is worth $45????????????????????????

Maybe because you are a girl. I've read an article not too long ago stating how some things are overcharged when the client is female. They gave the example of a hairdo, drycleaning, and auto repair, among others.

Ask to get back the parts they remove. Identify them by part and serial numbers, and check the price with someone else. Even show the pieces to another mechanics, or someone you know who knows something about it. And prepare to argue on the final invoice.

Or maybe that 45$ includes the time to remove the old and install the new... If it takes 10 minutes or more, it could be that.

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I think Stereo's the right one on this one. While the bolt itself might be special and specific, the labour involved in removing the old bolt (which may very well be seized, stripped, or head its head broken off, and require drilling out) could EASILY eat up $45 once the labour involved in getting the old one out is added in.

Yay cars.

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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
the XanthWagon (TM)

I think the X-Mobile has a nicer ring to it.
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X-mobile is a bit pretentious for this job. XanthWagon or RatCar might be more in line with how I feel about my own personal p.o.s. right now.

Stereo - I know about the women's clothing thing. That (and also my eternal frustration with the low-rise, hip-hugger style that's so popular right now) is why I buy most of my every-day sort of stuff from the men's section. TO bad tey don't have his and hers auto parts. [Razz]

Okay, back to breakfast. THen I can go get the damn thing.

Edit: Got it back. They forgot to charge for that bolt (it was on the exhaust line somewhere) but I'm not saying anything. Bad dishonest lab rat I know.

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Yay!! Stick it to the man X!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:

Edit: Got it back. They forgot to charge for that bolt (it was on the exhaust line somewhere) but I'm not saying anything. Bad dishonest lab rat I know.

Eh, when they're charging you $100 an hour for labor, they can throw in a bolt at their expense.

Glad you got it back. [thumbsup] Here's to many kilomiles of trouble-free roadtrips. [Smile]

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