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Snaggy

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Icon 4 posted October 01, 2008 20:24      Profile for Snaggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
http://fantasticcontraption.com/

very fun game! [Applause]

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GrumpySteen

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It is [Big Grin]

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Icon 6 posted October 01, 2008 20:57      Profile for Snaggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Ha ha ... at least I had a week of productivity before I saw this. [Big Grin]
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Icon 1 posted October 02, 2008 20:42      Profile for Ugh, MightyClub     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Arg, it's almost as addictive as Lemmings!

Oh, man, Lemmings. Does that game still exist? I'm going all nostalgic now...

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dragonman97

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Icon 1 posted October 02, 2008 22:23      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Grr...I suck at it so far. It doesn't help that just as I started level 2, a cute girl IMed me, and my train of thought got derailed.

P.S. Are there any good ways to delete on a Mac? Ctrl-click is right-click!

P.P.S. Ahh...finally got somewhere, but it's time for sleep.
I'll probably stick with this for mindless frivolity for a bit:
http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/Game.asp

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Icon 1 posted October 03, 2008 06:28      Profile for Stereo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I've started with Steen's recommendation, and I am 3 or 4 challenges away from winning it all.

But if you don't waste time enough trying to solve the challenges, you can see how others did on the ones you succeeded. It can be quite entertaining.

Personnally, I prefer simple solutions - the simpler the better. But many have very complex ones. Then you find one or two who have a simple, very elegant working desing: those are the ones I would like to see as mechanical engineers.

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GrumpySteen

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It's entertaining to go back and try to make the most outlandish, overly-complicated solution you can after you solve a level the 'right' way, but I don't think I want to admit how many hours I wasted doing so.
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quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
I've started with Steen's recommendation, and I am 3 or 4 challenges away from winning it all.

Care to shed some light on what this recommendation is?

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
I've started with Steen's recommendation, and I am 3 or 4 challenges away from winning it all.

Care to shed some light on what this recommendation is?
Hmmm? To give it a try? My comment just meant that I tried it when Steen posted about it, rather than Snaggy's post. So I have a week or so of experience on the little brain wrencher.

But if you want a trick, it's: don't be afraid to rework your design. A millimeter difference on the position of one wheel can make a difference. So first, solve the problem (this will do that, the other part will get to work at that point, and it should do it), then move the pieces around until it works. For some challenges, there is no way it will work on first try. (I have seen one particular saved "solution" to be "F*ck you" written with branches. [crazy] )

Oh, and don't forget friction. It can save or kill your design. (Their implementation of gravity is kinda "bouncy", thought. Too low a setting, maybe?)

Steen: I don't have the patience to work multiple solutions. Once a problem is solved, it's solved. Next! [Big Grin]

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Icon 1 posted October 03, 2008 16:46      Profile for sosumi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
This has been haunting my waking hours since Steen first posted it...but not in a bad way. I've got all but awash, tube, unpossible and big ball solved - although in most cases not very prettily! I am not cut out to be an engineer.

Thanks Steen! [thumbsup]

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Icon 1 posted October 04, 2008 22:33      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I finally got the hang of this thing!

In fact, now that I kind of understand this stuff more (the learning curve was really steep for me), something Stereo said 'clicked' for me. Don't kill me, sosumi, but I just got "Big Ball." I guess the solution is appropriate for a fan of Wile E. Coyote... [Wink]

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Wile E. Coyote? But I didn't see any Acme™ Dynamite or Jetpacks there!
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Icon 1 posted October 05, 2008 13:09      Profile for maximile   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Awesome! I love 2D physics.

Here's how I completed Big Ball - It starts off looking like it's going to be elegant, but at the end I had to hack it a bit to make it work.

Spoiler (obvoiusly): http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=2603479

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Icon 1 posted October 06, 2008 07:11      Profile for sosumi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Finally! And just a wee bit of brute force. [Razz]
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=2636881

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This was my solution to that one:
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=2637614

Similar to maximile's, but a bit simpler

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Icon 1 posted October 06, 2008 07:43      Profile for Stereo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Warning! spoiler here!

All of you going under... I went over! I didn't save it (didn't bother register), but I had it so that it climbed over the big ball, which then rolled backward until the "puck" could get into the goal.

But I must say Steen's design is simple, swift, and efficient, making it elegant.

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Icon 1 posted October 06, 2008 16:21      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sosumi:
Finally! And just a wee bit of brute force. [Razz]
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=2636881

Nice one!

My solution was a bit squishy:
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=2575390

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Good one! I couldn't get any "slider" type rigs to go fast enough.
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What amazed me about this game was just how interesting looking at other solutions was afterwards... from the bizarre to the elegant or just plain "different".

I found my preference was to try to make "vehicles" and (usually fairly simple ones, if occasionally a bit "lumpy") but when you look at other people's solutions you are astounded by the range of ramps, trebuchet/catapult/slingshots, walking machines, sliders and the like... some elegant and "why didn't I think of that" and some just "wow - crazy but it works for that no matter how oddly"

Oh yeah and I liked the saved solution early on called "Funny" where the guy just hadn't joined the stuff up properly and it all just fell apart! (Perhaps because I had one or two of them myself... sometimes things that seemed to be joined just hadn't "taken")

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Originally posted by Serenak:
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What amazed me about this game was just how interesting looking at other solutions was afterwards... from the bizarre to the elegant or just plain "different".

No kidding...I saw another solution to 'Four Balls' that kind of blew my mind...it was like a juggling act! I was happy enough with my solution, but 'twas a damn clever one that I saw. Still, I'm not really looking at other solutions, as I'd rather muddle my way through it myself. [Smile]

Still, sosumi's "Back and Forth" is fscking ace...and I have to admit that my solution was slightly inspired. I'm sure I would have gotten one half of it, but another piece of it broke in such a way that made me think "why don't I take advantage of it, and use it! Also, I'm not sure I would ever had come up with the locomotive style propulsion in her design above (Big Ball), and that helped with my solution to Unpossible.

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I found my preference was to try to make "vehicles" and (usually fairly simple ones, if occasionally a bit "lumpy") but when you look at other people's solutions you are astounded by the range of ramps, trebuchet/catapult/slingshots, walking machines, sliders and the like... some elegant and "why didn't I think of that" and some just "wow - crazy but it works for that no matter how oddly"

See above...and it makes me ponder 'how the heck did anyone solve "Tube," but I suppose when I have more free time, I'll get to tackling it. I have some pieces put together, but I'm not quite sure that they'll work!

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Oh yeah and I liked the saved solution early on called "Funny" where the guy just hadn't joined the stuff up properly and it all just fell apart! (Perhaps because I had one or two of them myself... sometimes things that seemed to be joined just hadn't "taken")

Well, that's the damning bit...I had a chain of 'rivers' in Unpossible *broke.*
They were connected...but apparently all bonds are not permanent? Also, certain things about the game tick me off, namely the crappy UI...which does not make the links at all clear! Furthermore, I'm not sure how other Macbook users managed, but I found it a royal PITA to switch between 'resize' and 'delete.' I really don't know why keybindings couldn't exist... (It works fine on Windows, but isn't so cross-platform friendly). A simple 'x' would suffice for 'delete.' A 'select' tool would also be awfully handy, but that might be a stretch.

Still, it's very cool, and has been a fun challenge. "Tube" is still a /challenge/...ugh....

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
quote:

I found my preference was to try to make "vehicles" and (usually fairly simple ones, if occasionally a bit "lumpy") but when you look at other people's solutions you are astounded by the range of ramps, trebuchet/catapult/slingshots, walking machines, sliders and the like... some elegant and "why didn't I think of that" and some just "wow - crazy but it works for that no matter how oddly"

See above...and it makes me ponder 'how the heck did anyone solve "Tube," but I suppose when I have more free time, I'll get to tackling it. I have some pieces put together, but I'm not quite sure that they'll work!

I got stuck on the Big Ball puzzle, and decided to take a break and work on some others. Tube was too much for me to resist. It took a while, but I finally worked out a solution. I did eventually work out a solution to Big Ball pretty similar to yours, dman.

(spoiler, of course: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=2769505 )


Edit: Dang. I just finished the last of the freebies. I think I should probably avoid shelling out $10 for the upgrade just to avoid wasting too much more time.

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