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Icon 1 posted July 12, 2004 06:36      Profile for csk     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by snupy:
ooh...I hadn't thought of that!~so, who do we think she is?? [Wink]

csk ?
Not me...

Or me either...

Or me...

[Wink]

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I'm still a newbie here, can I stay? [Wink]
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I like you so, yes you can stay. [Razz]

See this is where the love is. Geek Culture the home of love peace and understanding.

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I would think so. [Wink] Disliking someone because of their habits is OK. [Big Grin]
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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by snupy:
ooh...I hadn't thought of that!~so, who do we think she is?? [Wink]

csk ?
Not me...

Or me either...

Or me...

[Wink]

or me...

or me...

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by snupy:
ooh...I hadn't thought of that!~so, who do we think she is?? [Wink]

csk ?
Not me...

Or me either...

Or me...

[Wink]

or me...

or me...

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quote:
Originally posted by ZorroTheFox:
It is reasons like these that I stopped dating normal women. girls these days have expectations that are way too high.

You think expectations for men are too high?!?! You should try being a woman sometime. Men want us to be stick thin with large breasts, wear uncomfortable clothing that shows off gotta-be-tanned skin, then not spend anytime lamenting our latest diet and take only five minutes to get ready for a date. On top of that, men want someone who will sleep with them and only them, but then they want the freedom to sleep with anyone who catches their eyes. Men want to have a woman to show off to others, but they don't want to have to deal with the emotion-related part of the package deal. Men want women who play hard-to-get for the challenge of the chase, but then they lament that "nice guys finish last" because women are waiting for them to make the first move.

Don't get me wrong; most days I'm glad to be a woman. My best friend is a man whom I love dearly and would gladly share my life with him if he just asked, but it's a struggle for us to overcome the perceived expectations and components of the "ideal."


Sometimes you gotta admit that you're a wuss and start applying yourself to meet her standards.


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Rhonwyyn - that's our Zorro. Sometimes his tongue is so firmly in his cheek that it looks like he could be trying to eat a toblerone sideways. [Smile]
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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
You should try being a woman sometime. Men want us to be stick thin with large breasts, wear ... etc.

Rhonwyyn

I agree and disagree with you. It is not just the men nor the women. Both sexes are guilty of wanting more from a mate than is even humanly possible. Personally, I cannot be sensitive, tough, a great cook, perfect father, work 16 hour days, and spend every moment with my signifigant other. Though this seems to be the general type of criteria for both sexes.

"Do (and be) everything at once, or I will find someone that can."

Drives me crazy. Last time I check I had not gained the power of "God" and neither has anyone else I've met. I don't believe I'm guilty of what you are saying. I like to think I have fairly attainable wants. And trust me if they aren't, my wife will let me know. [Wink]

Also, from what I have read of Zorro's posts, he meant that post in a more tongue-in-cheek way than in any true seriousness.

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One guy's perspective on the current image crisis

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Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
You think expectations for men are too high?!?! You should try being a woman sometime.

Men want us to be stick thin with large breasts, wear uncomfortable clothing that shows off gotta-be-tanned skin, then not spend anytime lamenting our latest diet and take only five minutes to get ready for a date.
Most men don't want girls who are sticks, I tihnk you women think that because that is what publishers put on the cover of women's magizines. If you look at magizines men oogle girls in (read: if you look at any porn), you'll find that most of the models are heavier than the cosmo girl. Men, in general, do have a fasination with breasts, but that's because we don't have them ourselves (see Sienfeld where Jerry is talking about why he's a breast man, "I got legs, I have a butt... If I want to look at those I can just look in a mirror.")

On top of that, men want someone who will sleep with them and only them, but then they want the freedom to sleep with anyone who catches their eyes.
I don't want that, and most geek males probably don't either. Meaningless sex doesn't intrest me, making love in caring and committed relationship to an intelligent woman does. I don't think I'm alone in that regard (although I realize this is the antithisis of what some one like Zorro wants).

Men want to have a woman to show off to others, but they don't want to have to deal with the emotion-related part of the package deal.
I never wanted to "show off" any of my girl friends, I would rather have their beauty all to my self. I know that men are pigs and I wouldn't want pigs drooling over my girl. Not that I'd lock her up and throw away the key, just that I would never use a girl as a "trophy."

Men want women who play hard-to-get for the challenge of the chase,
Bull, I'm tired of games. I don't want anyone who thinks they need to "play" anything. Anyone who "plays" games isn't looking for a longterm serious relationship and isn't worth the trouble. Trust worthiness, honesty and communication is what I am looking for, and games cause problems in all three of those.

but then they lament that "nice guys finish last" because women are waiting for them to make the first move.
Nice guys don't finish last... I had my share of luck in love, and while things haven't worked out the way that I wold have liked, doesn't mean that I am losing the "game" of love. I know I am still relitivly young, and while I may moan and complain about being single, I'm not going to admit comming in "last" or anywhere near the back of the heat.

Don't get me wrong; most days I'm glad to be a woman. My best friend is a man whom I love dearly and would gladly share my life with him if he just asked, but it's a struggle for us to overcome the perceived expectations and components of the "ideal."
And you've never drempt of "Mr. Right?" Why don't YOU ask? What is stopping you from the gusto, after all, "[i]Sometimes you gotta admit that you're a wuss and start applying yourself to meet her standards.
" Cuts both ways doesn't?

You seem to have a lot of ideas about what "men" are and what "women" are... It's silly really, the differences between the sexes are no where near as great as they seem. Everyone is just human, with feelings, emotions, expectations and dreams. If we stopped thinking like men are from Mars and girls are from Venus, then we all can start talking to eachother as individuals, and start having real relationships.

The only sainity I enjoy in this life comes from two basic ideas: everything always works out in the end (though it may not be the way you expected) and the only thing worth regretting is the chance not taken.

But don't listen to me, as I'm just a college kid who is single and lonely... what could I possbily know about the subject of real relationships, eh?

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I have been seeing the Playboy Bunny everywhere. The bunny goes through cycles in popularity so itís really no surprise to see him return to the cultural limelight. What is freaking me out is where I keep seeing him. I see him on hats, on shirts, on bags and made into rhinestone studded necklaces, all being worn by girls. The wearing of the bunny was cool in the past, as I remember it, when it was worn by guys. Girls wearing the bunny is not only offensive on many levels but a good marker of a few things in our culture, and especially the culture of teens.
Hello? The wearing of the Bunny on girls is offensive, but the wearing of it on guys was "cool?" Huh?

Icon & Visual Culture

The age of words and text as the primary communication in our culture is gone.

In an age when most people are literate, which in centreies past wasn't the case. When an e-mail is faster than a phone call, and everyone and their grandmother has the internet... Text is here, and it is here to stay. The language has been losened by spell-check junkies and people who could care less (lile me) about "standardization" (esp. given that even shakespeare had 3 ways of spelling his own name -- but that is a different post).

We are a visual culture. America has evolved into an Iconographic culture, and in such an environment any graphic that is easily recognizable is plastered on anything that it can be.
America is a capitalist country, and the majority of people in any era are sheep. Catch phrases, logo and fads have been around for eons... This isn't anything new to the times or even unique to the western civilizations.

Instant recognition is the goal. Iím pretty sure it takes you less than a tenth of a second to see and recognize logos like Coca-Cola,
Which contain's the text "Coca-Cola"

7up,
Which is the string "7up" with a red dot in the middle...

Gap,
Which is text in a black box saying "GAP"..

Kodak,
Errr, don't think I know the Kodak symbol, but then I use my SONY digital all the time... SONY by the way is just "SONY" in white text.

or Chevrolet.
Alright, but the logo is typically near the company name for branding purposes... but not always.

In our culture the Playboy Bunny is instantly recognized and easily sold. In a market sense this explains why I canít go a day without seeing the long eared logo, but why would a girl wear that design?
Ask them, Mr. Joel K, before answering your own question.

Girls/Women as objects

Walk through the mall or watch TV for 30 minutes. What do you see? Everything is sold by women of rather unnatural proportions and dimensions. Impossibly thin models hawk everything from clothing to music to cars to toothpaste.

And what of the men with unrealistically large muscle? Or the Abercromie and Fitch modles. Moreover, what impact does the model really have on us?

Slim Fast ads even use ultra thin people to sell their products. Women have been told that they are on par with men (and rightly so) thanks to the women's liberation movement. However, the underlying theme in America today is that thin, sexy, hot women are better than normal women of natural shape.
Men in society typically don't think so! I sure don't. Foxheart is a sick looking twig, as are most of the models in advertisments.

Girls are bombarded by images of anorexic and unrealistic models daily in a rapid fire manner through TV, video games, magazines, movies, mall window displays, and music.
As men are bombarded with images of Buff men with full heads of hair, no glasses and perfect teeth... So what?

Itís not hard to see why a lot of the girls I know only know how to identify themselves in relationship to these stereotypes. For most of them they fall short of the Playboy Bunny image and their self-esteem takes a beating.
Most of the girls that I know also have the same self-esteem problem, but I don't think that you can blame every woman's issues on advertising. Men are bombarded with the same "perfect man" image... But, you don't see us all wanting to look like Fabio and Gov. Arrnold.

Self-Esteem at an all time low

I sat and had a discussion with two of my best friendsóone of them a Parachutes (the teen center where I work) volunteer. He offered his analysis of many of the girls at Parachutes. He believes that many of them have no idea how to be feminine without exposing 90% of their breasts. My friend and I agree.

Age is important here... Note that acceptable dress has changed a great deal over a great many years. Also note that the amount of skin showing may also have to with the climate. We here in the midwest don't take the little bit of heat we get here very well (nor do we take our cold winters very well either)... And so we are apt to wear less clothing when it gets hot... We only have one nude beach in the state (never been ,not planning on going), but typucal swim wear is the bikini for girls and shorts for the guys... This look permeates our fairs and festivals all summer long because we can't stand the heat. Although I am sure that isn't the only reason for the amount of skin some girls show... But sluts have been arround since the down of man.

Granted that acceptable these days is a far cry from an eon ago, but there were times when public bathing (nude) was a norm.

Many girls we see are trying so hard to feel good about themselves. They look for it in their sexual identity. "If a boy is having sex with me or, at least, checking me out, I must be OK", they think. Sadly many of them are selling out to the Playboy Bunny image and reducing themselves to nothing but flesh and sexuality.
To look is human, you girls check us too, and there is nothing wrong with the ego boost of being looked at. Taken to the extream, with the clubbing and outfits and makeup and alchol and guys who are creeps and girls who are sluts... But alot of these things aren't new, they have just come to surface from the "underbelly" of society.

(There is a whole group of girls who are bucking this trend by working hard at looking like guys or wearing ďpunkĒ and ďgothĒ style, but that is a subject for another time.)
Indeed it is... but I've stated somewhere else my thoughts on the goth look.

Wisdom from a long way off

In addition to all this thinking about the Playboy Bunny, I have been spending every week eagerly awaiting each edition of the radio program from BBC radio Ulster in Northern Ireland Rhythm and Soul. I was introduced to the show by reading the host, Steve Stockmanís, books, about popular music and Christian faith. I recommend that you check them out. Two weeks ago he fired up a CD by an artist named Kendall Payne. I donít know where I was in 1999 when this CD, Jordanís Sister, was released, but five years later Iím a big fan. The song he played is called Supermodels and frankly itís the exact message I want to share with the bunny-wearing girls at Parachutes. Here are the lyrics:

"The summer sun has come to stay. Bikinis, tans, outrageous legs.
They're all retarded and they all look the same. And Barbie's bodies melting down.
On her face a big fat frown because "Mr. Cellulite" just moved into town.

(Chorus) Well me and B, we hate supermodels. It's not that we know anyone personally.
It's just that I'm tired of being compared.

The boys they come here. With expectations for the summer.
And I refuse to take any part of this barbaric ritual Because God has given me a mind.
That I will use from time to time.
And I got more on my head than what's made by Paul Mitchell (Repeat Chorus)

(Bridge) Was it worth the tears you cried to fit the size?
Think it over once or twice - What lasts the longest in this life? Character or rock hard thighs?
And in the end do you believe that beauty lies in what you see?
Because if you do then baby - You've been deceived."

Uh, o.k. And again... The song is being song from the point of veiw of a LOT of guys in this culture. It is supprising how many men prefer women who present them selves as respectable people, don't hide behind masks of painted color (makeup) and show the world everything...

Kendall Payneís CD will be on the stereo a lot at Parachutes in the months to come. Kendall is preaching a message straight from God that the girls wearing the Playboy Bunny need to hear.
- Joel K

God has nothing to do with it... That debate is in another thread.... ;p

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quote:
Originally posted by GameMaster:

The age of words and text as the primary communication in our culture is gone.[/b]
In an age when most people are literate, which in centreies past wasn't the case. When an e-mail is faster than a phone call, and everyone and their grandmother has the internet... Text is here, and it is here to stay. The language has been losened by spell-check junkies and people who could care less (lile me) about "standardization" (esp. given that even shakespeare had 3 ways of spelling his own name -- but that is a different post).

Perhaps I'm going off on a completely different tangent, but I have a really big problem with today's society, and its inability to grasp the English language.

I can wholeheartedly understand if someone makes a typo, or an honest-to-god mistake whilst typing.

I can even handle missing commas.

What I can't handle, is university graduates who still can't quite distinguish to, too, and two.

To this day, and even in broadcasted public ads, I still find people spelling 'lose' with two o's.

And then there's the apostrophe on the possessive form of its.

I'm sure it happens in other languages too. We all make silly spelling mistakes. We all miss commas, or are guilty of run-on sentences.

I try and write everything I do, including meaningless e-mails, properly spelled, properly capitalised, properly punctuated, and everything. I don't expect that from anyone else. I know I'm weird. (And the fact that I suffer from obsessive-compulsive disorder doesn't help.)

One of the main reasons I stopped IRCing, would be because some slackjawed 25 year old moron would join a channel in an effort to find A) a quick lay B) quick drugs or C) ask help in something he has no place being anywhere near. Then, when I suggest they go elsewhere because they're just trolling, they begin to lay into me verbally. Unfortunately, their thoughts and statements are mostly lost on me because I can't decipher their bad spelling, awful sentence structure, and inability to distinguish homonyms.

When you point out to them that they've made such hideous, glaring errors, they all have the same response: "Who cares its the internet!"

No, wait, what they actually say is, "io dont care wut i spell on the internet".

One would think the advent of the Internet and a digital age might cause us to get a little smarter when it comes to expressing our thoughts and emotions in words.

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You think expectations for men are too high?!?!
Not really. I do, however, think there's a hideous double standard. As I said (half jokingly) to an ex-gf, "Alright, so I'm supposed to do what you tell me to, but I'm not allowed to be a gentleman?" There are a lot of girls who are really mature about this, but on the other hand there are a lot of girls who get offended when a guy does something polite or pays them a complement. Did it ever occur to these chicks that our mothers (or girlfriends, as the case may be) tought us some manners and we're not just hitting on to them?

You should try being a woman sometime.
I don't think any comment's required here.

Men want us to be stick thin
Um, no. Like GM said, watch porn sometime. For one thing, girls who are rail thin tend to have very little in way of a figure, and for another, the ones who are underweight but have very large breasts (because of surgery, more likely than not) are not attractive. The boobs look hideously fake and completely out of proportion.

And, on a more personal note, I'm about 5'8" and 120lbs (which is very thin), and I can't say I've ever gone out with a girl who didn't weigh more than I did. At the same time, I can't say that I've ever gone out with a girl that was even close to being overweight.

with large breasts,
I've always been curious as to whether that many men actually have a thing for really large breasts or if it was just something the media banged into our heads over the course of a few decades. Among my girlfriends, the average bra size is a C cup, which I a quite happy with. Bigger breasts tend to lose their shapeliness and firmness, which is bad. And if a girl gets breast implants that are too much bigger than her natural size, they don't look so good.

wear uncomfortable clothing that shows off
What do I like to see girls wear? Short shorts and tank tops? Ah, sure. But I'd much rather see them dress up a little. Yeah, skirts and dresses are uncomfortable, but (depending on your choice in skirts) nobody will mistake you for a streetcorner protitute.

gotta-be-tanned skin,
Fair skin with a good complexion beats trendy tan in my book any day. Particularly if I end up spending the rest of my life with the girl. I've onyl got two things to say about that: "melanoma" and "snap crackle pop."

then not spend anytime lamenting our latest diet
If a girl's fat, then let her go on a diet. But I'm tired of having to listen to my friends who are at a perfectly healthy weight swear off four food groups because they think guys want to be able to count all of their ribs that aren't covered by silicon.

and take only five minutes to get ready for a date.
As long as you're ready by the time we agreed on, I really could care less how long it took you. If we're going some place that requires you to dress up, then please do so, but you don't need to schedule an hour long appointment at your hair stylist's before we go to the movies.

On top of that, men want someone who will sleep with them and only them,
Yeah, we do. Polyamory has its virtues and casual sex has its place, but is fidelity too much to ask from your girlfriend??

but then they want the freedom to sleep with anyone who catches their eyes.
I sure do. But I'm too much of a hopeless romantic to let myself get away with it, and I'm entirely too faithful to cheat on a partner unless excessive amounts of alcohol or some other drug are involved. And I'd still feel guilty as hell in the morning.

Men want to have a woman to show off to others,
No more than girls want a hot peice of ass to show off to their friends.

but they don't want to have to deal with the emotion-related part of the package deal.
If I want a girl to show off with no strings attatched, I'll find an escourt service none of my friends will ever use and rent a new girlfriend every week. My girlfriend should be a close friend of mine before (and hopefully after) any romantic relationship gets off the ground.

Men want women who play hard-to-get for the challenge of the chase, but then they lament that "nice guys finish last" because women are waiting for them to make the first move.
Some guys like the hard-to-get act. Most of the like it because they're very competetive and they approach everything in life that way. I, on the other hand, don't get into that. I flirt. A lot. But I do it with my friends in a joking, Hawkeye Peirce sort of way. Why does the guy always have to make the first move? If you want him, go get him. Deal with it. I'm tired of seeing my friends drop the guy who spent a few weeks courting her with flowers and compliments so they could have the guy who hand his hand on her crotch within three days of meeting her and brags about his sexual exploits.

Oh, and I hate it how some girls (not all or even the majority, thank God) will lead guys on. It's worse when they do it without having any interest in the guy, of course, but it doesn't hurt any less if they can't be bothered to tell him how they feel and end up giving up on him. This is a serious problem with shy, female-phobic geek guys who don't have much experience with women.

Don't get me wrong; most days I'm glad to be a woman. My best friend is a man whom I love dearly and would gladly share my life with him if he just asked, but it's a struggle for us to overcome the perceived expectations and components of the "ideal."
That's your relationship, and I'm not going to pretend to know what's best for you when I don't even know the particulars. But I will ask if you're talking about what you two perceive to be ideal or what others around you think ideal means. You don't have to be a teenage slave of fashion to get screwed over by social pressures (and there are plenty of classic psychological studies to back that up).


Sometimes you gotta admit that you're a wuss and start applying yourself to meet her standards.
Yeah, and sometimes you've got to admit that you're a bitch and lower the bar to reasonable levels. And that doesn't just go for the girls, either. Even if they aren't in the majority, there are too many guys who fit Rhonwyyn's description.

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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
Perhaps I'm going off on a completely different tangent, but I have a really big problem with today's society, and its inability to grasp the English language.

I can wholeheartedly understand if someone makes a typo, or an honest-to-god mistake whilst typing.

I can even handle missing commas.

What I can't handle, is university graduates who still can't quite distinguish to, too, and two.

To this day, and even in broadcasted public ads, I still find people spelling 'lose' with two o's.

And then there's the apostrophe on the possessive form of its.

I'm sure it happens in other languages too. We all make silly spelling mistakes. We all miss commas, or are guilty of run-on sentences.

I try and write everything I do, including meaningless e-mails, properly spelled, properly capitalised, properly punctuated, and everything. I don't expect that from anyone else. I know I'm weird. (And the fact that I suffer from obsessive-compulsive disorder doesn't help.)

One of the main reasons I stopped IRCing, would be because some slackjawed 25 year old moron would join a channel in an effort to find A) a quick lay B) quick drugs or C) ask help in something he has no place being anywhere near. Then, when I suggest they go elsewhere because they're just trolling, they begin to lay into me verbally. Unfortunately, their thoughts and statements are mostly lost on me because I can't decipher their bad spelling, awful sentence structure, and inability to distinguish homonyms.

When you point out to them that they've made such hideous, glaring errors, they all have the same response: "Who cares its the internet!"

No, wait, what they actually say is, "io dont care wut i spell on the internet".

One would think the advent of the Internet and a digital age might cause us to get a little smarter when it comes to expressing our thoughts and emotions in words.

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stfu n00b. ppl w/ ballz r 2 bizzy w/ hott chix 2 leanr 2 tipe.

Translation: Go away person whose opinion obviously doesn't matter because I don't know them. People with testicles (which you obviously don't have, because only a woman or castrated man (probably a homosexual) would have the time to articulate that sort of post) are too buzy have sex their every waking moment to bother with education, and thus have not yet surpassed a third grade reading level.

Trust me, if they can't be bothered to articulate it better than that, the opinion they're (not) expressing isn't worth listening too.

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I gotta go with the rest of the replies in here. Perhaps the geek crowd is vastly different from the rest of the world (I doubt it.)

I would suggest that the stereotype you're referring to is the one that is conveyed by magazines, movies, etc.

Men want us to be stick thin with large breasts,

Other than the few friends I have who randomly have sex with everything that movies, every self-respecting, half-decent guy I know only likes a woman who looks healthy. Stick thin is absolutely disgusting. As are large breasts. Anything larger than a C, I find rather disgusting. And fake boobs feel like friggen basketballs. Gross.

You should try being a woman sometime. wear uncomfortable clothing that shows off gotta-be-tanned skin

Non-naturally tanned-skin looks absolutely DISGUSTING. It looks unhealthy and waxy. Ew.

and take only five minutes to get ready for a date.

... I don't know a single guy who even gives a REMOTE crap about that.

On top of that, men want someone who will sleep with them and only them, but then they want the freedom to sleep with anyone who catches their eyes.

I disagree. I think guys want the same from a woman that they give. If I'm banging everything that moves, I don't expect any of those woman to be faithful to me, but if I'm in a relationship, I'm not going to be putting any of my parts in any other woman. It just doesn't work that way.

Men want to have a woman to show off to others,

I gotta go with the last response to this one. Women show off their men too. Like trophies.

but they don't want to have to deal with the emotion-related part of the package deal.

I think they just call that 'fsck-buddies'. If you're in a relationship, the emotion part comes with it, and that's just how it's gonna go. Otherwise, there is no relationship.

Men want women who play hard-to-get for the challenge of the chase, but then they lament that "nice guys finish last"

I like women who play hard-to-get, but I still need to know she's interested. There's a difference between hard-to-get and just flat out not interested. The only time I've heard a guy say "nice guys finish last" is when she's genuinely not interested. They're mutually exclusive.

because women are waiting for them to make the first move.

Once again, gotta go with the last post. You want a guy? GO FSCKING GET HIM. I've had women randomly give me their phone number before -- albeit, it's a rare and scarce occurence. There's nothing wrong with that.

Sometimes you gotta admit that you're a wuss and start applying yourself to meet her standards.

If I'm not up to her standards when I meet her, I don't want her. I'm not changing myself for anybody.

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Thanks, men, for shoring up my (hoping-against-hope) belief that decent men do exist. Thanks, too, for asserting that perceived ideals are just that--perceived--and may not be fact.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
Thanks, men, for shoring up my (hoping-against-hope) belief that decent men do exist. Thanks, too, for asserting that perceived ideals are just that--perceived--and may not be fact.

Thanks for a good debate that didn't degenerate into a petty flame war.

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That's what I like about this forum: practically everyone's thoughtful and respectful. It's so refreshing after some of the boards I used to read. [Smile]

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Well, everyone else has dispelled the myths, my turn next [Wink]

quote:
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You think expectations for men are too high?!?! You should try being a woman sometime. Men want us to be stick thin with large breasts,

Well, you got that last bit half right [Wink] . Actually, stick thin doesn't matter (but obesity to the point of being a health risk is not good), and large breasts are a "nice to have, but not essential" (gee, sounds like a job description). Besides, someone I know went from size A to size C from before marriage to after, so things can change anyway.

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wear uncomfortable clothing that shows off gotta-be-tanned skin,

Nope, not here. Prefer pale skin (I hate the over tanned look), and clothing choice isn't a really big deal (apart from being appropriately modest, of course).

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then not spend anytime lamenting our latest diet and take only five minutes to get ready for a date. On top of that, men want someone who will sleep with them and only them, but then they want the freedom to sleep with anyone who catches their eyes.

Yeah, some men are like that, I'll agree. Anyone who has a reasonable level of respect for the opposite sex will shun that sort of internal paradox.

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Men want to have a woman to show off to others, but they don't want to have to deal with the emotion-related part of the package deal.

If they do, it's often because they are insecure, and want to impress people through the partner they have. Besides, both sides of the relationship have emotions (not necessarily equally strong), and a one sided emotional drain of a relationship is probably not going to survive long term, one way or another.

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Men want women who play hard-to-get for the challenge of the chase, but then they lament that "nice guys finish last" because women are waiting for them to make the first move.

Definitely not here. I'd rather women throw themselves at me, I've only ever asked a girl out once, and that's when her brother suggested it would be a good idea (since he had the inside info).

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Don't get me wrong; most days I'm glad to be a woman. My best friend is a man whom I love dearly and would gladly share my life with him if he just asked, but it's a struggle for us to overcome the perceived expectations and components of the "ideal."

Hmm, what do you mean by that last bit? I don't quite understand. If they are only perceived expectations, then what are your real expectations? What are his? This may be difficult to find out from outside a relationship, though...

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
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Don't get me wrong; most days I'm glad to be a woman. My best friend is a man whom I love dearly and would gladly share my life with him if he just asked, but it's a struggle for us to overcome the perceived expectations and components of the "ideal."

Hmm, what do you mean by that last bit? I don't quite understand. If they are only perceived expectations, then what are your real expectations? What are his? This may be difficult to find out from outside a relationship, though...
What do I mean by that? Hmmm... something like this: I'm pretty much the antithesis of what I've been told people like: thicker rather than thinner, blond (but not an airhead), more studious than carefree, fun-loving (but not constantly inventive); definitely not the typical co-ed at the major university from which I graduated.

My fear is that my friend compares me to the girls he sees everyday (the ones whose hip bones stick out enough to point eyes downward to you-know-where) and is aroused by them to the point that he forgets the modesty that he endorses.

Am I horribly insecure about my physical appearance? Obviously yes. I am confident that I am a daughter of God and thus a beautiful young woman (fearfully and wonderfully made), but it's hard sometimes to balance God's wisdom against the world's knowledge. I've been questing to overshadow my physical weaknesses by developing my knowledge, skills, and talents but more often than not, men are intimidated by what I know or else look down or me for what I don't. 'Tis turning out to be a lose-lose situation.

Someone's probably asking, "Why are you trying to be what you think guys want you to be?" It's really more like what my mother wants me to be. [Razz] Really, though, I love learning, reading, messing around with my computer, kayaking, biking, making music, talking with friends, beating Ken Jennings at Jeopardy!, etc. I'd just like to have someone with whom I could do these things.

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quote:
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[QUOTE]... beating Ken Jennings at Jeopardy!, etc.

Don't lie. Nobody can do that. [Wink]
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
[QUOTE]... beating Ken Jennings at Jeopardy!, etc.

Don't lie. Nobody can do that. [Wink]
Hmph. I beat him to the answer almost every time when I'm in my living room, but I'm sure that in person I'd only stand a half-decent chance.

(How'd I know that of all the things I said in my previous post, Ken Jennings would inspire the most response?! [Razz] )

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quote:
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Men want women who play hard-to-get for the challenge of the chase, but then they lament that "nice guys finish last" because women are waiting for them to make the first move.

Definitely not here. I'd rather women throw themselves at me, I've only ever asked a girl out once, and that's when her brother suggested it would be a good idea (since he had the inside info).


Amen to that.

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