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Callipygous
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Hubris meet Nemesis.

Suddenly cracks are beginning to appear in the Murdoch empire in the UK, which even a week ago seemed unassailably all powerful. Perhaps the best piece I have read on this still developing scandal is from the right wing political magazine "The Spectator" here

How far this will spread is anyones guess, but it is a cheering thought that this evil man's malign influence may now be on the wane.

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Of course, per b3ta, the answer to this is still in the negative:
http://www.hasrebekahbrooksbeensackedyet.com/

Also for convenience, here's a one page version of "The Spectator" link:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/print/politics/all/7075673/what-the-papers-wont-say.thtml

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no, they havet oo much money and too many people like thier dribble.

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Sadly, I read the Spectator article as proof that this is not 'the beginning of the end'.

It's a long list of influential people, including those who had strong commercial or political reasons to pursue the story, who blatantly turned a blind eye.

Murdoch is just too powerful, if he axe-murdered one of his rivals at a cocktail party, the police would find every guest was looking the other way at the time, or had something in their eye, or couldn't be sure who it was they saw with the axe...

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I think you are underestimating the extent of the change in attitude here Druid. It really does feel like a different world now. Things that everybody knew but no public person dared say previously are now being openly expressed by politicians of all parties. In the press, It's not just The Guardian and The Independent that take this seriously, but on the right The Telegraph does too now. The hacks made redundant by the closure of The News of the World are seething with rage, and as reported by Carl Bernstein in Newsweek
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News International, the British arm of Murdoch’s media empire, “has always worked on the principle of omertà: ‘Do not say anything to anybody outside the family, and we will look after you,’ ” notes a former Murdoch editor who knows the system well. “Now they are hanging people out to dry. The moment you do that, the omertà is gone, and people are going to talk. It looks like a circular firing squad.”
Lastly underscoring all this, you should not underestimate the mood of public anger at the latest round of revelations, particularly concerning the relatives of casualties in the absurd wars we are caught up in, when the Murdoch tabloids like to portray themselves as the ones who are behind "our boys" and in particular as the News of the World conducted campaigns for better treatment of ex servicemen in partnership with the British Legion.

And according to Rebecca Brooks herself, worse revelations are still to come.

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I am really quite stunned and pleased to watch just how fast all of that happened. It was mind boggling to see public outrage reach the level where Murdoch called quits.

See when it turns out that it has been happening here for years, we will gripe, and then roll around on our couches because it is just too much like giving a damn.

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And now The Sun, and The Sunday Times are brought into the scandal, hacking the former PMs phone, and illegally obtaining his children's medical records.

There go Murdochs chances of passing this off as just a few rogue elements at NotW.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
There go Murdochs chances of passing this off as just a few rogue elements at NotW.

Actually that disappeared last week, when it became evident that this was being done on an industrial scale. Today in a parliamentary committee, the policewoman in charge of the investigation told M.P.s that thus far they had only has enough time to contact 170 out of around 4,000 potential victims. So we are only at the very beginning of this scandal.

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quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
Today in a parliamentary committee, the policewoman in charge of the investigation told M.P.s...

Call me cynical, but I don't expect much from the 'police investigation'.

Two years ago, when the 'sorry we accidentally deleted all those incriminating emails' story fell apart, and thousands of 'lost' documents were handed over, the police declared that no further investigation was justified, without looking at any of the new documents.

It's almost as if the police didn't want to find evidence of 'industrial scale' bribery of the police.

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Hello! Hello!

It looks like that mean Mr. Murdoch is in a fix. Oh boy!

All you need it to find out he killed Princess Di, and maybe Elvis too and his goose will be a flambe!

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Fascinating detailed report in the NYT on the unhealthy relationship between News Corp and the Metropolitan Police.

I think that's some real serious top quality journalism that shows why the NYT is one of the world's great newspapers.

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quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
Fascinating detailed report in the NYT on the unhealthy relationship between News Corp and the Metropolitan Police.

I think that's some real serious top quality journalism that shows why the NYT is one of the world's great newspapers.

Hmm...I was wondering why I hadn't seen that yet, but realize now that it's in tomorrow's paper. [Razz] Just a little bit ago, I was reading about how Sir Something-or-Other (of the Met) was going to be in hot water, and how Rupert apologized with head in hand over voicemail hacking.

I'm very glad to hear that politicians are finally standing up to the press - it's quite the other way around here, and it's good to see you lot catching up. [Wink] The thing that disturbs me most about the rags over there (Rupert's Sun chiefly among them) is how they'll *pay* for their scoops. Few widely read papers around here would stoop to that level (though I don't know about the NYP).

The Times is a great paper, despite what some right wing nutters say, and despite what I routinely see on /., where people seem to deem it a mouthpiece for the gov't. (I find that a truly astounding idea, given how critical they are at times...)

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The story is the traffic accident I can't look away from. I'm not sure what will happen to ole Rupert. He is so willing to throw everyone under the bus to save himself.
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well, it looks like he threw the redhaed under the bus!

And since she was formally charged with the hacking crime right after she was fired I am guessing M told his cop buddies he wouldn't protect her anymore and they needed somebody to scapegoat.

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Even now the momentum of events is accelerating, Brooks not just gone, but under arrest, the head of the Met resigns, and the Serious Fraud Office is now involved.

For the first time I doubt whether Murdoch himself will survive, and if he goes News Corps will disintegrate shortly afterwards. The most damaging thing as far as he is concerned is not that he seems ruthless or devious, but rather the extremely odd statements he has made, make him look out of his depth, out of touch, and simply old and tired.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
well, it looks like he threw the redhead under the bus!

Never a good thing. [Roll Eyes]

And since she was formally charged with the hacking crime right after she was fired I am guessing M told his cop buddies he wouldn't protect her anymore and they needed somebody to scapegoat.

Or he was tipped off she was going to be arrested, and decided it was better if a former employee was arrested than the current CEO.

I'm starting to come around to Calli's way of thinking on this.

Murdoch has made a lot of enemies. Even on the side of politics he supports, there must be many politicians who didn't appreciate having to tug the forelock to their Lord And Master. Now he's looking weak and vulnerable, this could be their opportunity to put the knife in.

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Not everyone is sticking the knife in, though...

This will make your jaw drop

The bigger issue is really hacking and how we as the public going to protect our privacy and deal with it. I would also say, by the way, Citigroup, great bank. Bank of America, great bank. Are they getting the same attention for hacking that took place less than a year ago, that News Corp is getting today.

You would think that they didn't understand that there's any difference between being the one who committed a criminal act and being the the victim of a criminal act.

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That's outrageous.

Apparently that 'Bob' fellow is a PR flack of some sort -- because if he was a 'hacking' expert, I'm either stupendously good at technology, or have no chance at getting a kickass job, as the market for technology experts has been completely filled.

I do love his claim that this news is from a 'decade ago.' Again, my math skills must suck if the initial VM 'hacks' from 5 years ago (which were sat on and ignored by "the Yard") is actually a decade ago.

FAIL.

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Good to see the Murdoch Empire giving such 'Fair And Balanced'™ coverage of their own wrongdoing.

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Oooh...and as to those claims that "Why are we focusing on an issue in England when we have pressing issues here?" -> Uh oh - "News America" has also been accused of hacking (but swept it under the table):
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/business/media/for-news-corporation-troubles-that-money-cant-dispel.html

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The plot thickens...

Not making any accusations of course, I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for the mans death, totally unconnected to the fact that he was a key witness against the Murdoch Empire...

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Thicker and thicker

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Inside the belly of the beast

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Did you see he got pied in court?
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What a surprise, the police commissioner urged The Guardian to drop the story.

Of course, he was just trying to stop them wasting their time on what he believed was a non-story, covering up police corruption never even crossed his mind...

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