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Callipygous
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Icon 1 posted October 06, 2009 18:32      Profile for Callipygous     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Just when you thought they couldn't get any further out, this gets beamed in from planet crazy..... ( via Fake Steve )

Beyond Satire.

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As you read the quotes, keep in mind that our founding fathers thought slavery was okay, saw blood-letting as a cure for many ailments and occasionally burned 'witches' at the stake.

They had some good ideas, but they weren't right about everything.

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That's just silly.

Everyone knows that the American Revolution was a heretical rebellion against The Divine Right Of Kings

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WOW, roll your mouse over the flag!!!, considering the picture is titled "one nation..."

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Icon 1 posted October 07, 2009 06:31      Profile for DoctorWho     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by GrumpySteen:
As you read the quotes, keep in mind that our founding fathers thought slavery was okay...

Actually, a major point of the Revolutionary War was to put an end to slavery in America. Granted it took over four score years and another war but it was finally managed.

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quote:
Originally posted by GrumpySteen:
As you read the quotes, keep in mind that our founding fathers thought slavery was okay, saw blood-letting as a cure for many ailments and occasionally burned 'witches' at the stake.

They had some good ideas, but they weren't right about everything.

The ancestors of our founding fathers burned witchs, though they did believe that violence was a good solution to some problems.

/nitpick

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GrumpySteen

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DoctorWho wrote:
a major point of the Revolutionary War was to put an end to slavery in America. Granted it took over four score years and another war but it was finally managed.

First, the fact that some of the founding fathers were against slavery does not support the conclusion that the Revolutionary War was an attempt to put an end to slavery. Many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence owned slaves and one was part owner of a ship that brought slaves to the United States.

Second, slavery was not imposed on the US by King George III. The fact that we were an independent nation for 90 years and had to go through a civil war where over 600,000 were killed before we abolished slavery makes it clear that this was not something forced upon the poor, innocent colonists by England.

"The improvement of the blacks in body and mind, in the first instance of their mixture with the whites, has been observed by every one, and proves that their inferiority is not the effect merely of their condition of life." - Thomas Jefferson (source)

This is from the man who wrote "all men are created equal" in the Declaration of Independence and it was written after he wrote the famous preamble.

So, are we really going to pretend that the founding fathers were right about everything? As I said before, they had some good ideas, but even the best among them wasn't right about everything.

*edited to use tinyurl since UBB didn't like the real one*

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quote:
Originally posted by DoctorWho:
quote:
Originally posted by GrumpySteen:
As you read the quotes, keep in mind that our founding fathers thought slavery was okay...

Actually, a major point of the Revolutionary War was to put an end to slavery in America.
Not true.

Slavery was not imposed on the colonies by Britain, there was no slavery in Britain at the time, and any slave-owner from the colonies foolish enough to take his slaves to Britain found them freed on arrival.

Slavery existed in the American colonies because the colonies were, in most things, self-governing, with their own locally-elected parliaments that decided local laws. It was British interference in the affairs of colonies that were long-accustomed to running their own show that sparked the revolution.

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Thomas Jefferson was also an opponent of slavery throughout his life. In his first draft of the Declaration of Independence, he condemned King George III for waging "cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere". These words were removed because of Georgia and South Carolina as they were pro slavery. Furthermore, in 1806 in his annual message he condemned those "violations of human rights which have been so long continued on the unoffending inhabitants of Africa" and urged Congress to take advantage of the end of the constitutional limitation of 20 years to abolish slave traffic absolutely. While I do admit that yes there were some founding fathers who were slavers by choice, many wanted to end slavery.

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Picasso treated women appallingly. Churchill was a pretty useless peacetime politician, subject to deep depressions, and practically an alcoholic. Great men have faults too, and often in proportion to their greatness, though of course this is irrelevant because, as the painting shows, the constitution was actually drafted under the direct supervision of the Almighty. [crazy]

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There wouldn't be a procedure to amend the document if the framers believed they had all of the answers.
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quote:
Originally posted by DoctorWho:
Thomas Jefferson was also an opponent of slavery throughout his life.

It's a pretty big leap from "some of the revolutionaries wrote against slavery" to "a major point of the revolution was to abolish slavery" - especially when so many of the revolutionaries were slaveownrs themselves.

Nobody held a gun to Jefferson's head and forced him to own slaves, and he continued to own slaves until his death, long after the revolution, so it's hard to believe that "a major part" of his motivation to rebel against the government of the day was his passionate opposition to slavery.

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Just to show that Conservatives aren't the only ones who've got religion, here's one for the Lefties (Warning: could be bad for your sanity)

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Callipygous
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Following the news that Jesus has admitted that He wrote the US constitution, conservatives have decided to set Him right on certain matters in His Gospel. All that turning the other cheek, and judge not stuff can't really reflect God's real views, as a registered Republican. [crazy] [crazy]

BTW the comments thread to that blog post is worth reading, a good giggle.

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