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Ashitaka

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Icon 1 posted January 29, 2009 00:06      Profile for Ashitaka     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
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Disgraced evangelical Christian leader Ted Haggard sought drugs from a young male volunteer at his Colorado church and masturbated in front of him in a hotel room, apparently believing himself "invincible," the former volunteer says.

These are not the actions of a man that believes himself invincible, it is the actions of a gay man who wants to escape from his troubles.

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First he denied having done anything when Mike Jones, the male prostitute, came forward. Later, when evidence came out, he admitted to buying the drugs, but said he didn't use them and that there was no sex. The more evidence came out and he admitted that there was sex.

The church fired him but paid his salary for the next year, yet he sent out a plea for donations to support him and his wife and claimed they were moving with their two kids into a one bedroom apartment despite the fact that he owns a five bedroom house valued around $750k.

Then he claimed he was cured and completely heterosexual after three weeks of therapy provided by the church.

During all this, the church claimed that it was a one-time thing and there were no other offenses, but now Haas, a volunteer for the church, comes forward to tell his story and the church admits that an "overwhelming pool of evidence" pointed to an "inappropriate, consensual sexual relationship" that "went on for a long period of time ... it wasn't a one-time act."

And we also find out that the church reached a legal settlement to pay the man for counseling and college tuition, with one condition being that none of the parties involved discuss the matter publicly.

But hey... "It wasn't at all a settlement to make him be quiet or not tell his story." And since it's a pastor saying that, we should just blindly trust that it couldn't have possibly been hush money no matter how painfully obvious that it was.

This isn't a gay may running from his troubles. This is a sleazy con artist who got caught and denied as much as he could. The church cooperated and helped him hide the extent of his deeds, as churches are wont to do, because they have to justify their position as a moral authority by appearing to be moral... even if it means lying to everyone to do it.

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There is a tendency for people to make the most noise, and be the most self-righteous, about things that are their weak points (which is why whenever I see a vehement homophobe my first thought is "closet case"). There is also a tendency among the powerful to see how much they can get away with. Combine the two and you get Haggard.

I wish he'd just slink back into the hole he's been hiding in.

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Originally posted by Xanthine:
There is a tendency for people to make the most noise, and be the most self-righteous, about things that are their weak points (which is why whenever I see a vehement homophobe my first thought is "closet case").

After fours years of religious school (the last three in a Lutheran school) I can't help but agree 100 percent. There's this kid (named, X for undeserved, but fair, privacy) who, especially during the election season, was vehement about gays and Muslims.

Every sentence was about either how horrid and evil Muslims were, and how gays should move to some other country "where they are freaky enough to except freaks like that". He cursed the lazy Liberals who wouldn't work for their money (I asked him what kind of work he, a hard working Republican did, to the response of "Well...you know...I help around the house, WELL WHAT DO YOU DO?").

He spoke with an obnoxious lisp to the tune of a valley girl. Now, I for one do not immediately assume someone is homosexual based on such characteristics. Mostly because there is no matter whether its true or not. But in this case I just wanted to say "YOU ARE SO CLOSETED GAY YOU DON"T EVEN WANT TO ADMIT IT".

Personally, I believe he spent so much time watching Fox News with his father, hearing how horrible gay people were that he has denied his own orientation to the point of hatred. Saddening really.

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