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I stayed up until 4am, until they officially called it. I had tears in my eyes-I really thought when it came down to it, America would not elect a black man. I'm so glad I was wrong...and so incredibly proud.

[hearts]

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quote:
Originally posted by snupy:
I stayed up until 4am, until they officially called it. I had tears in my eyes-I really thought when it came down to it, America would not elect a black man. I'm so glad I was wrong...and so incredibly proud.

[hearts]

I was surprised how quickly it was called, though. It wasn't even 9pm here when I was driving home and turned the radio to a news station hoping to get an update on how things were going. Instead, I caught the beginning of McCain's concession speech. I wasn't expecting that for at least another hour or two.

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They called it as soon as the West Coast polls closed. I was surprised too.

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Rhonwyyn: I don't really give a flying fsck what your [seemingly] racist husband† thinks. If you have an opinion, let us hear it - but don't espouse your spouse's views here. It's an utter waste of your education if you've abandoned your free thought for the ideas of your husband. If he wants to express those views here, let him sign up for an account and exercise his free speech‡. In the meantime, I'd much rather hear *your* opinion on this election.

† A presumption, I realize...but it's my view that most people who give weak excuses for disliking Obama are quietly hiding their real opinions.

‡ Of course, if they involve hate speech, don't be surprised if someone clicks "Report this post to a Moderator."

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Dman,

Not sure if I can totally agree with your post. Who knows how Rhonwynn's husband feels.

Honestly I have the same concerns. While yes, Obama did win by majority vote. There are certainly pockets of people that would kill rather than have a black man as a president.

Me and T were just discussing that ourselves this morning.

And I guess it boiled down too, "Is everyone ready enough to have a black president?"

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The short answer is no, but that's why Homeland Security basically foisted Secret Service protection on him before they even offered it to any other candidate.

Not only is he black, but he's going in as a reformer. Reformers the world over have a history of violent deaths. We can only hope Obama remains protected.

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quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
And I guess it boiled down too, "Is everyone ready enough to have a black president?"

Everyone is not ready to have a black president. In fact the 57,286,790 people who voted for McCain and the other candidates are not ready since they did not vote for Obama. I wouldn't call Rhonnie's husband racist for his remark. In fact, I can't remember where, I myself made the comment on this board that I feared for Obama's safety should he be elected. Now that he is elected, I am quite certain there are quite a few hate groups who are not happy and will not be happy unless he is dead. I am also quite sure that some of them would be willing to die if they could take him with them, all the while thinking they are doing the American populace a favor.

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quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
It's a new day, a new dawn, and I'm feeling gooooood!


Thanks, Calli-that really made me smile-LOVE that song, and it sums things up perfectly.
[Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
The short answer is no, but that's why Homeland Security basically foisted Secret Service protection on him before they even offered it to any other candidate.

Not only is he black, but he's going in as a reformer. Reformers the world over have a history of violent deaths. We can only hope Obama remains protected.

"They're expecting a landslide, and if that doesn't get him, the CIA will have to find some other way". -- Ian Hislop.

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Actually...it's not the murder speculation that elicited that remark from me...

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What was it then?

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I don't think there was anything in Rhonnie's post in this thread that could directly lead to the dragon's conclusion, but in another thread halfway through a political discussion Rhonnie bowed out rather shyly, claiming that she found politics far too difficult to understand and that in such matters she deferred to her husband's greater understanding. Some of us found this hard to understand, as in most matters Rhonnie does not come across as a "don't bother your pretty little head about it" type, but it seems to be part of the "traditional" relationship she has negotiated with him, which I fear may be connected with their flavour of Christianity, and I have a hunch, but no more than a hunch, so I may be wrong, that he isn't even comfortable with her discussing politics with third parties.

I might be completely wrong, but this is the impression I have, which dragon shares.

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Obama's announces new team

Barack Obama has announced his new cabinet team, and a number of terminology changes, for his new administration.


Barack Hussein Obama al Jihad: Grand Caliph of the Socialist Islamic Caliphate of America: .

Members of the Islamic Revolutionary Council
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Kholin bin Powell: Caliph for Jihad - with special responsibility for the destruction of Israel.

Michael Moore al Flint: Caliph for Culture:
Comrade Moore will be compiling a list of approved film-makers. Any film-makers not on the approved list will become the responsibility of...

William Ayers al Tehran: Caliph for re-education.
Comrade Ayers will be responsible for the administration's "No Infidel Left Behind" policy. A network of re-education camps will teach Christians, Republicans, and other America-haters proper submission to Allah.

Ellen bin Generes: Caliph for destruction of the family.
Comrade bin Generes will be in charge of making gay marriage compulsory, encouraging promiscuity in teenagers (within a strict Islamic framework of course) and the new compulsory-abortion policy.

Hugo Chaves al Caracas: Caliph for Energy and Transportation.
Comrade Chaves will oversee the dismantling of the oil industry, and the distribution of camels to all Americans.

Warren bin Buffett: Caliph for wealth re-distribution.
Comrade Buffett will conduct a full inventory of the nations wealth. Any left over after the mosque-building program will be distributed equally to all Americans not in the custody of the Bureau of Re-Education.


William bin Clinton: Caliph for Internal Security.
Comrade bin Clinton will be in charge of the Secret Police, including the new SVUs (Sneaky Video Units), who sneak into peoples homes and tamper with their video collections when they're not looking.


That's it guys, it looks like ASM was right.
He tried to warn us, but we just wouldn't listen. [Frown]

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(I just got home from work, so I'm only now responding to posts.)

Nah, that's not right, Calli. We've had plenty of political discussions with all sorts of people. Actually, I dropped by Jonathan's work to see him on my way home, and one of the servers asked if I voted for Obama. Ryan quickly added, but then, Jonathan wouldn't have let you. To which Jonathan replied, "Oh, she would have if she wanted to."

There are definitely gaps in my knowledge about politics, which is why I am not very vocal. I read, but I usually don't have too many opinions about things. I posted Jonathan's question because I thought it was interesting. It wasn't an original thought, so I gave credit where it was due. We don't want Obama to be killed, so I hope nobody thought that, but there are plenty of nutsos out there who don't feel the same way.

Re: the socialism comment. I work for a small business. If I work hard, I receive a bonus. From what I understand, Obama's platform of ideas says that he wants to cut taxes for employees and increase taxes for businesses. So while I may get a $1000 tax cut, I'll lose out on a $1000 bonus from my employer because they got taxed heavily. It's a lose-lose situation. Also, you need to have wealthy people in the world, because it's those who have money who employ people. As someone from some Wall Street investment firm said, "Poor people never employed anyone."

I don't think McCain would have been much better. I didn't vote for him in the primary. Given the choice between two scary people (McCain's ideas about health care are frightful), I went with the one whose stance on values (abortion, sanctity of life, traditional marriage, etc.) most closely aligned with mine.

Granted, Obama can't make all the changes he wants to because he has the House and Senate to contend with, but since both have Democratic minorities, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of them go through.

I hope I'm wrong about all this and that Obama will be a great president and have an overall positive term in office, but I doubt that will be the case. Only time will tell.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Obama's announces new team
-bucket of lulz follows-

OH TEH NOES!

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
( As someone from some Wall Street investment firm said, "Poor people never employed anyone."

Which might be why no one's working on Wall Street anymore. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
Also, you need to have wealthy people in the world, because it's those who have money who employ people. As someone from some Wall Street investment firm said, "Poor people never employed anyone."

Well, I'm sorry Rhonnie, but that's bullshit. Look at the numbers, and it's small and medium business who creates the most jobs.* Big companies grows by buying other businesses (and often downsize them to maximize profits). The bigger one grows, the less chances one takes. That's what greed is about.

But hey, that's what rich want the people to believe in order to keep winning more and more money, while the poor grows poorer from all those things they can't afford, like higher schooling or health care. (Believe me, as long as your company doesn't make obscene profits, your bonus is probably safe.)

And there I thought the American Dream was all about starting poor and growing rich...


*At least, that's what I learned in my high school economics class, and was repeated in my economics for engineer course. If someone has greater knowledge about that, I'd love to hear it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
while I may get a $1000 tax cut, I'll lose out on a $1000 bonus from my employer because they got taxed heavily. It's a lose-lose situation.

Um, no it's not.

I'd happily take a $1,000 cut in before-tax income in exchange for a $1,000 tax cut, I'd come out several hundred dollars ahead.

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I think Rhonnie is making the trickle down argument, the one which says that a rising tide lifts all ships, a favourite theory since the Reagan years. Unfortunately there is no economic data to support this, and that which we have tends to indicate the opposite effect, that society (like the world) is becoming ever more divided, and a huge underclass has been created which sees none of the fruits of economic growth. Indeed in the last few years in America only the very wealthy have seen any increase in their income.

I am curious as to why Republicans see Tax cuts which benefit only the wealthy as desirable, while any attempt to redress the growing imbalance they have created is that scary S word - shh musn't frighten the children - whisper "socialism". [Eek!]

I am also at a loss to understand why the idea of any kind of state run medicine is such anathema too. We all accept that the Police and Military are funded by the state, not even ASM thinks the Military should be disbanded and replaced by mercenaries. So why not doctors and hospitals? Medicine is a vocation, and most Doctors are not profit driven, or they would all be plastic surgeons. The results they seek are also not easily translated into cash incentives either. In addition the US spends more on medicine per capita than anyone else without actually getting better results so private enterprise is not even efficient at this.

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Others have alredy commented that McCain was gracious in defeat.

Not so Ms Palin.

I just heard her on aussie radio, pointing the finger of blame in all directions, and denying any responsibility for "John McCain's defeat".

Classy broad.

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quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
Indeed in the last few years in America only the very wealthy have seen any increase in their income. I am curious as to why Republicans see Tax cuts which benefit only the wealthy as desirable,

I say, cut taxes for the lower and middle classes because they need all the help they can get, don't increase taxes on the upper classes, and see what happens. Don't decrease taxes, but don't increase them.

TFD, maybe the bonus thing was a bad example. In my company's industry, we're hurt by other businesses being hurt. As the company's bottom line shrinks, my paycheck may not decrease, but my raises will. If enough small businesses get hurt, my job may disappear altogether (which is a niggling concern in the back of my mind).

If we give everybody handouts by leveling off the socio-economic statuses, will anyone want to work? When there are no incentives to work hard and perform effectively, why will anyone want to invest themselves in anything except selfish pursuits?

These are just random thoughts I've had. Who knows if they make any sense at this hour of the night.

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From the outside of this thread (seen enough new guy vs. the well entrenched 6 or 10 posters), it sure appears that lizard and mono's reactions to Rhonwynn has more to do with their inner-monologue than with the actual words used in her posts. I was accused of hijacking a simple "Yay go vote" thread for calling Obama "pro-death", and of course some of these same vultures swooped in to feast on the carrion, err, lend their support. I chose to just ignore the thread from that point...But to call someones spouse racist based on some unfathomable subtext you see in their post...grow up. Really.
Racism exists. In fact, I believe it exists in everyone to some degree. You cannot live in this world, in this time, without coming into contact with racism in one form or another, and not be affected by it. To be affected by it is to be changed, and your perceptions to be forever altered.
By the way, to all of the Obama supporters...congratulations. Most of you have conducted yourselves in just the way I would expect. Here's hoping I am surprised in the future, by you and by our next president.

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Please stop arguing and making inflammatory statements in this topic.

For once, I would like us to set aside our tendancy to be assholes towards one another and simply celebrate what is probably the most historic election result any of us will see in our lives.

If you can't do that, please start your own topic to bitch and whine.

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A hearty number of times that I've heard bunk like 'socialism' brought up in regards to Obama, it seems like the people talking about it don't even *know* what socialism is...let alone know whether or not this is a valid claim. It certainly seems like certain people will come up with any excuse possible to dislike Barack Obama, and to /me/ that reeks of latent racism.

In this day and age, it's awfully hard to speak up and say "I won't vote for him because he's black." However, it's super-easy to say "I won't vote for him...because he's going to bring us socialism!"

Also...Pro-Choice does not mean Pro-Death. I would like to think that the same people who speak about being deeply Pro-Life would ask Mr. McCain and Mr. Bush why we are in Iraq, killing thousands of people, innocent or otherwise, and why these numbers have come to be:
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As of Monday, Nov. 3, 2008, at least 4,190 members of the U.S. military have died in the Iraq war since it began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.
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As of Monday, Nov. 3, 2008, at least 554 members of the U.S. military had died in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan as a result of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001, according to the Defense Department. The department last updated its figures Monday at 10 a.m. EDT.

(source)

Are those lives not sacred, too?
(It also goes without saying that John McCain was pro-choice until he wanted to be elected into office by conservative voters....lalalalalalala....)
Edit/P.S. Ooops...maybe not.

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