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TheMoMan
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Icon 1 posted June 20, 2008 07:25      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
____________________ Hi All ____ Those warrant less wiretaps that The Shrub claimed he needed to fight terrorism will be swept under the rug. So how much does the US Government know about you? Even you non US Citizens, Damn am I getting angry with my own Government.

Sorry about the rant but it makes me feel like a liar in that I defended the Constitution, and this almost draft dodger violates it with this violation of the Fourth & Fifth Amendments.

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Icon 2 posted June 20, 2008 09:31      Profile for Snaggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
...and don't forget the self-granted amnesty to Bush and all staff with regards to any war crimes since 9/11.


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Icon 5 posted June 20, 2008 20:07      Profile for ASM65816   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
June 20, 2008 07:25
Congress gives in on wiretapping

[Geek]   Hmmm ... don't the Democrats have the majority now?
 
 
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Maybe I'm just bad with names, what's the name of that Democrat in Congress?

You know the one that wants to publicly crucified after a terrorist attack succeeds. He's the one that wants to be labeled an idiot that didn't think terrorists were dangerous, and looks forward to hearing testimony from Intelligence Agencies that "yes, we were wiretapping the terrorist that killed those people, but we were stopped a few months before the attack because Congressman _____ said we couldn't spy on him."

Don't you people know about THE CONSPIRACY? There hasn't been a "real" Democrat in like a hundred years. Of course, since those days, there hasn't been a "real" Republican or "real" US President either.

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Icon 1 posted June 21, 2008 06:27      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Of course there isn't a real election...Diebold is involved:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks

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Republication and Democrats are alike. There are not very much difference for those two parties.
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Icon 1 posted June 24, 2008 06:16      Profile for drunkennewfiemidget     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by iNoles:
Republication and Democrats are alike. There are not very much difference for those two parties.

Thinking like this is why idiots run your coutnry.
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Icon 1 posted June 24, 2008 08:58      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
There really isn't a lot of difference between most republicans and most democrats. They are mostly career politicians out for re-election. I've been e-mailing my senators and my congressmen about it, and I only got a single response.

My senator basically said:
"Thanks for the e-mail, but I disagree with you."

He was the republican. The democrats didn't even bother to reply. I'm checking voting records, and remembering this for when their seats come up for re election. Then again, one of them lost my vote before I could vote by voting for the DMCA.

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I guess it's time for the US to give up the two-party system. The lack of actual choice (People making their choices based on the dislike to a candidate) is a big threat to democracy.

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For iNoles and Gamemaster

There has seldom been a time in the last 100 years when the Republicans and Democrats were more sharply divided. IMHO saying all politicians are the same, or they are all crooks, or that they are all just out for themselves, is both wrong and just a lazy justification your unwillingness to take responsibility for your vote.

Just remember democracy only works if voters get involved. Under a democracy you get the government you deserve, (hint - look at the last 8 years).

Mind you your media doesn't help much.

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quote:
June 25, 2008 04:40
There has seldom been a time in the last 100 years when the Republicans and Democrats were more sharply divided.

Yep, they're different......
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Republican: Yeah, I'm voting for wiretaps.

Observer: You scare me.   [Frown]

Democrat: Well, I'm AGAINST Wiretaps!

Observer: But you just voted FOR wiretaps. You lied to me.....   [Frown]

 
Democrats -- Willing to go the extra step with the bigger, better lie to get your vote.   [thumbsup] [Big Grin]

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I like this speech by Senator Chris Dodd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEDgtIdemZo

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Icon 1 posted June 27, 2008 04:36      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
______________________ Hi All Again _____ A very Conservative former coworker sent me this I guess he did not see his own Irony.


Catching Wild Pigs
A chemistry professor in a large college had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government. In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on t he g round. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socia lism an d keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.

One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself. Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government 'help' is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America , you might want to send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help you when the gate slams shut! In this 'very important' election year, listen closely to what the candidates are promising you. Just maybe you will be able to tell who is about to slam the gate on America .


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Well, if we continue the thoughts of the text your co-worker sent you, MoMan. I have to come to the conclusion that Germany is a socialist state. And has been since 1876! Even under Hitler! And under the Emperors!
However, as a matter of fact the only actual socialist state on German territory was the German Democratic Republic in Eastern Germany from 1949-1989. (unless of course you count communist Poland, which was partly on territory that was considered German territory under polish administration until the 1970s, the same goes for the territory under soviet Administration - that would make three socialist states^^) .

As for iWanToUseaMac, I am a strong opponent of two party systems and for pluralistic democracy. But in pluralistic democracies there's always two parties, the "people's parties" that cristallize themselves out as the strong parties (In Germany, the Social Democrats and the Christian Democrats). They are, just like Dems and Reps, often very much alike, though they try hard to look different. The other parties have it hard to fullfill their aims, they can do it, because they are mostly needed for coalitions, but they always can only fullfill parts of their programs.

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TheMoMan
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_____________________ Night Q. Hand __ I used to get to the conservatives at work by bringing in a quote from Ben Franklin, or Thomas Jefferson and leaving them about. I was often told that Ben or Tom never said that, I would then bring out the lists, and prove the quote, often followed by them walking away in disgust.

____Conservatives can't take a joke on them.

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Icon 1 posted July 25, 2008 10:37      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Now in the aftermath, I'd like to point out that Senator Obama voted for the bill after saying repeatedly he wouldn't, and issuing a statement afterward saying something along the lines of: the good of the bill outweighs the bad, and that he plans to vote for the Fiengold-Dobbs Amendment. McCain, on the other hand, didn't bother to show up.

All in all, I think both parties candidates are unworthy of the presidency.

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