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Colonel Panic
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Icon 1 posted June 04, 2008 18:51      Profile for Colonel Panic         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
If you think the kind of "clear-headed" redneck thinking that lead America to war with Iraq is dead and gone, you're wrong.

Just look at how the cops in good ol' boy Texas are trying to "get tough" with car thieves.

They're giving cars away to crooks and letting them run over little old ladies!

True!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/06/04/whitely.bait.car.death.wfaa

(You know the link is gonna be cool when it includes "bait.car.death" in it.

No wonder the Lone Ranger wore a mask.

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CP, you're being unfair to the Dallas cops, they're much smarter than GWB.

If they were following GWB's example, they'd have let the car thief go, arrested all of the residents in the street, tortured confessions out of them, then torched their homes.

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Icon 1 posted June 04, 2008 19:43      Profile for DoctorWho     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
CP,

The thief probably would have stole another car along the same street if the police wouldn't have planted the bait car there. The end result would have been the same. Your argument is the same as blaming gun manufacturers for murders that people commit. The police are not at fault at all for planting that car. It's what the thief did with it that caused the tragedy.

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Icon 1 posted June 09, 2008 19:45      Profile for Colonel Panic         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CrawGator:
CP,

The thief probably would have stole another car along the same street if the police wouldn't have planted the bait car there. The end result would have been the same. Your argument is the same as blaming gun manufacturers for murders that people commit. The police are not at fault at all for planting that car. It's what the thief did with it that caused the tragedy.

This comment is silly, ignorant and borders on stupid and vile.

The operative legal concepts here are "willful blindness" or "depraved indifference." Both are criminal acts of homicide; the former being manslaughter, the latter being second-degree murder.

The question here is it reasonable to consider that a criminal may kill somebody while driving a stolen car away from pursuing law-enforcement officers?

Yes! You bet it is!

Next, did law enforcement officers place this danger in hopes a crime would be committed with it?

Yes! They did!

In fact their actions showed either a "willful blindness" or a "depraved indifference" to the consequences of their actions.

Most people, with the exception of dumb rednecks can see this.

It's like throwing a cinderblock off a bridge.

You, CrawGator, might think its really cool thing to do (after all you think letting a crook speed around in a stolen car is cool) and you didn't mean to kill anybody, but it did. And you should have known that could have happened.

Also, your attempt at associating me and this argument with a tired NRA rant has no merit and is an insult. Unless, you are suggesting that gun manufacturers give away loaded guns to criminals because they think they can stop bullets once they are fired.

The crook is a crook. Calling the cops crooks, doesn't let the first one off the hook. Saying Bonnie is guilty doesn't let Clyde off the hook.


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CP,

If you can blame the police for the death of that woman then you must blame someone for murder whose gun was stolen from them and used to do so. It could have been any car parked there. It happened to be the bait car that was stolen. The only reason the police are being blamed is because it's the police. If this would have been "Joe Average's" car we would be feeling sorry for the guy. However since it's the police they are being vilified because they were doing their jobs, trying to catch thieves.

As for your name calling, I thought better of you. Besides I am a Cajun, not a redneck, sir.

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quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
In fact their actions showed either a "willful blindness" or a "depraved indifference" to the consequences of their actions.

You, ______, might think its really cool thing to do <snip> (killing somebody)

Ok ... so you're still a lunatic. No change there ... making a rather nasty personal attack after someone disagrees with you, well, that's just "icing on the cake."

Some things that you probably can't comprehend:

Killing other human beings to avoid theft charges is "generally" unexpected (but things may be different where you live).

Attempting to activate a "disable vehicle" device isn't called "depraved indifference."
 
 
Hey!!! Let's look at a different criminal case: A woman is beaten by her husband.
  • "Willful Blindness" ... Hmmm, you would probably have to say so.
  • "Depraved Indifference" ... You would probably have to say so.
     
    Evidence: It only happened ... BECAUSE SHE WAS "THERE" (and she could have chosen to be so many other places).
 
CP, your extremely vindictive behavior and willingness to attack are indicators of serious "issues."

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quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
making a rather nasty personal attack after someone disagrees with you, well, that's just "icing on the cake."...

...CP, your extremely vindictive behavior and willingness to attack are indicators of serious "issues."

Bravo ASM, this is one of your best efforts yet. [Applause] [crazy] [Applause] [crazy] [Applause]

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<offtopic>

I read this today, had to share, and don't thkn it is good enough to start my own thread, so this fire fight is as a good of place as any to post this.


They're not called warrantless wiretaps - it's called Freedon Listening now. [Big Grin]

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But if it happens in Detroit, I guess it is just an unfortunate accident?? I mean only southern redneck cops would do such a stupid thing, right?

I hate cops as much as the next three people combined. But this was shit luck, nothing more.

Now if they set up a bait car with a gunman nearby, I would have called it Texas justice.

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Apparently bait cars are also commonly used in British Columbia. So this event could just as well have taken place in Canada. So I wouldn't exactly say this could only happen in the south CP.

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And those damned California, Washington and Minnesota rednecks are using them too.

Guess it is the way states are handling overpopulation??

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I think I've discovered why cops sometimes do dumb things [crazy]

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___________________ TFD ______

That was TOOOOOOO Funny.


So when is it intrapment, and when is it not.

Lets say that you cut a farmers fence to trespass and become injured, would or could you sue for damages? Some Judges say so.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
So when is it intrapment, and when is it not.

If they left the car with the door unlocked, the keys in the ignition, and a large bag of cash on the front seat, that's entrapment.
There's nothing in TFA to indicate that happened.

I actually think the 'bait car' ploy is a good one, but if you're going to do it, you need to have a plan for what you'll do when the car gets stolen, one that doesn't endanger innocent passers-by.
And then you frakin' need do it right.

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________________ CP & TFD _ Rig the car with a remote kill switch that activates if it loses the signal from the chase car.

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MoMan,

The bait cars are set up with a remote kill. This article says "an error message came up when they tried to
disable the vehicle," though they think that it was possible the car crashed before they could disable it.

Again, sounds like shit luck.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
________________ CP & TFD _ Rig the car with a remote kill switch that activates if it loses the signal from the chase car.

That sort of thing is considered unsafe -- it's why car companies are forced to send safety recalls on cars that have issues that can cause them to stall.
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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
________________ CP & TFD _ Rig the car with a remote kill switch that activates if it loses the signal from the chase car.

That sort of thing is considered unsafe -- it's why car companies are forced to send safety recalls on cars that have issues that can cause them to stall.
I imagine that's why they say in the article that the cops have to be in sight of the bait car before they kill the engine, so it doesn't end up in the middle of a freeway or busy intersection.

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