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Colonel Panic
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They say ... Homeschooling is where kids get closer to Jesus.

The truth is it's where adults get way to close to minors.

Sorry folks the "Good Book" ain't found in the Kiddie Porn section of the dirty book store.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/07/texas.ranch/index.html

Religious Kooks and Homeschooling don't mix.

Stop child pornography. Stop child abuse. Make homeschooling illegal now!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/07/texas.ranch/index.html

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Hi. Sigh, hang on, rolling up the shirtsleeves.

Stop child abuse? Check, with you on that one.

Stop child pornography? Check, side by side col.

Homeschool illegal? Gotta admit I am taking a left and walking a different path on that one Col.

And yes, beforeyou ask I did follow the link and read the article. Good for that girl and her strength for tipping off the cops/soc services and whoever else. The whole story is vomitous and outrageous.

I dont know the percentages, and if I find time tonite I may google, but how many homeschoolers are fundie freaks vs regular people concerned with the dumbing down of public american education?

The majority of anecdotes I come across were parents dismayed at the lack of academic rigor rather than cockamamie religious mumbo-jumbo.

I do not homeschool because I recognize my limitations regarding patience and teaching ability but others are capable. Why should they pay for fundie fools?

I say put the men in jail and let them be 'forced brides' for a few years. eye for an eye and all.

Thanks, and see you for round 2. heehee

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And CP. Those kooks aren't reading the bible as you and I have read it. They have a version of their own. So it isn't just the regular Christian kooks. This is a full on Morman sect that shot away from the main church in Utah. They have their own prophet and everything,

So I guess we just have to ban religion altogether. It is the only way we can be safe, right? I figure we can burn the books and churches. Preferably with the congregations inside. Since their is no book like the good book, we can use that as kindling. Maybe we can also start rounding the stragglers up and putting them away for the good of society. Maybe we can use them for Arctic digging.

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CommanderShroom wrote:
Maybe we can also start rounding the stragglers up and putting them away for the good of society. Maybe we can use them for Arctic digging.

You're thinking far too small. What you do is tell them that you're going to make it possible to live in land that is completely free of the sins of this world. Once they get all excited about that, you ship them to the newly constructed moon base to mine helium, solving another of our problems.

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There's always the Soylent Green factory...

(how many other threads can we link to?)

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quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:

So I guess we just have to ban religion altogether. It is the only way we can be safe, right?

Sounds good to me.
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I've long felt that home schooling is totally contrary to the concept of growing up. No one should do it unless the child has extraordinary educational needs.

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Friends of mine are currently in Great Britain. Dr. Sellers is the head of the undergraduate math department at Penn State, and he's doing a semester of research/lecturing at Cambridge University. His children are homeschooled, which has made the trip to Great Britain possible. Every Tuesday they go on a field trip. It's been really awesome reading Mrs. Sellers' blog and seeing the pictures of their adventures. I totally wish I could be one of the Sellerses right now.

As far as not growing up, homeschooling actually places a lot of responsibility onto the students. They have to keep detailed records of their academic progress, and they have to get good at time management.

Contrary to what many people may think, homeschooling today is not an isolated environment for students as it may have been years ago. Homeschool groups or co-ops are popular because parents can combine resources and expertise. A group of homeschoolers in my area just put on "The Sound of Music." Also, homeschooling allows students to go on more field trips than they would in a typical school setting, which broadens their horizons and adds depth to their education.

And that's not even talking about the fact that homeschoolers have a greater opportunity to get the personal attention they need, the ability to work at their own pace, and curriculum flexibility (can choose a different book/author to learn a concept if the original isn't helpful).

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So that's what those clean-cut young men in the dark suits meant by 'family values'. [Eek!]

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
Contrary to what many people may think, homeschooling today is not an isolated environment for students as it may have been years ago. Homeschool groups or co-ops are popular because parents can combine resources and expertise. A group of homeschoolers in my area just put on "The Sound of Music." Also, homeschooling allows students to go on more field trips than they would in a typical school setting, which broadens their horizons and adds depth to their education.

so... like school.

Only run by amateurs.

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Have you seen the way the "professional" schools are run lately? Sometimes I think amateurs couldn't do much worse. I originally intended to homeschool Kaitlin, but where we're living right now is supposed to be one of the best public school districts in the country.

Homeschooling is one of those things that is considered weird and unusual so any time something goes wrong it is used as evidence that the whole thing is a bad idea. Take notes people, that is called a "hasty generalization". Bad stuff happens at public school too. Not just school shootings, but six year olds getting arrested for kissing a classmate, and just the regular teasing and fights that happens everywhere. Nothing is going to be perfect and there isn't one solution that will be right for everyone.

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quote:
Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
Have you seen the way the "professional" schools are run lately? Sometimes I think amateurs couldn't do much worse. I originally intended to homeschool Kaitlin, but where we're living right now is supposed to be one of the best public school districts in the country.

I live in a supposed "best district in the country" also. Moved here specifically for the schools in fact. But we ended up home schooling for a couple years.

I think TMBWITW,PB and I are in the same part of the country so I would suggest checking out California Virtual Academies (CAVA) before giving up on the homeschool idea. CAVA is the best of both worlds. It's actually a home-based on-line public charter school. Completely state funded, state approved curriculum, state testing. The funniest part is we actually get reimbursed for our ISP bill since Internet access is required. So, while my local public school is selling cookie dough to raise money, my on-line public school is sending me an ISP reimbursement check.

It will give a nod to CP and say that some of the things that my fellow homeschool parents say scare me but then some of the things my child's "real" teachers have said scare me too.

The nice thing about homeschool is that I have complete control over how I screw up my own kid. [Smile]

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Home schooling can work, but I unfortunately have relatives who kept the kids home to shelter them from "bad ideas" like evolution and science. Then they went to colleges with similar viewpoints. When one of their kids were in he equivalent of high school he sent out a magazine he had made. The grammar and spelling errors that pervaded it depressed me. I wasn't Mark Twain in high school, either, but I could form a sentence, a plural, and use a comma. Unfortunately I've forgotten it all since then. [Razz]

Nonetheless, home schooling can work. It depends on the parents.

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Colonel Panic
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quote:
Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
Have you seen the way the "professional" schools are run lately? Sometimes I think amateurs couldn't do much worse.

Take a look at the link that started the thread. I think taking over 400 kids into protective custody is a lot worse than what the anti-public school hysteria crowd is pointing its fingers at.

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Well Col (and Im honstly not trying to be a contrary pain) prehaps because it is such a horrifying atypical example?

Everyone (except,obviously, the adults living in that compound) agrees that it is vomitous and evil.

What I was trying to say is not everyone who homeschools is a child molesting, wife beating religious wingnut. Why remove something from responsible people for the actions of a few? Those few are evil though.

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quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
They say ... Homeschooling is where kids get closer to Jesus.

The truth is it's where adults get way to close to minors.

Sorry folks the "Good Book" ain't found in the Kiddie Porn section of the dirty book store.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/07/texas.ranch/index.html

Religious Kooks and Homeschooling don't mix.

Stop child pornography. Stop child abuse. Make homeschooling illegal now!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/07/texas.ranch/index.html

Colonel Panic

Yeah, because, you know, I'd want to be forced to send my kids to a school that insisted on teaching "intelligent design" and protecting them from the dangers of atheism.

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quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
quote:
Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
Have you seen the way the "professional" schools are run lately? Sometimes I think amateurs couldn't do much worse.

Take a look at the link that started the thread. I think taking over 400 kids into protective custody is a lot worse than what the anti-public school hysteria crowd is pointing its fingers at.

CP

Sorry, it's got nothing to do with homeschooling and everything to do with being a creepy cult. If homeschooling were illegal, they'd just have established a "private school" for their community and then invoked religious freedom to send their kids to it. The people that suffer in your home-school ban aren't the religious psychos out there with a doctrine of oppression and abuse, it's the people who just want a better, more rounded education for their children than would be available in public schools in their area. (And you know, there are plenty of abused children that go to public schools too. Probably more than the total number of homeschooled students.)

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