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TheMoMan
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________________________ Lets see if I got his right. Who is better suitted to run the USA? We have one party labeled as tax and spend. We have another that esposes fiscal responsiblity.

Business men claim to know how to run the country, Lets see Brokerage houses going broke, Banks in deep DooDoo, the National debt has risen to huge ammounts and the working class are getting screwed, all of this during the rein of business men. They are afraid of Universal Health care while this Country is dead last as far as infant mortality. Emergency rooms have become clinics for the underinsured. Now a major pharmicuitical company with held data that their top seller was no better than a generic.

Maybe I don't want a business man running the country.

Any one else ready to comment?

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We need someone like "Ike".

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Icon 1 posted January 17, 2008 13:34      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
CrawGator ___________________ I have to agree. There has not been a true Statesman since the days of Givum hell HST or DDE. A lot of wannabees but no true statesmen.

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Ron Paul. [thumbsup]
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_______________________ Ron Paul!!! He is part of the problem, he votes lock step with his GOP buddies, No we need an outsider not someone that created the mess.

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No, Snaggy that is obviously a self-portrait of George W. Bush, In the USA a President is limited to two terms, so he can't run the country any more -- that is if he ever did.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
_______________________ Ron Paul!!! He is part of the problem, he votes lock step with his GOP buddies, No we need an outsider not someone that created the mess.

Where in the world do you get THAT idea? Or are you unaware that the mainstream media is in league with the GOP and the Democrat Party and the financial moguls?

Ron Paul is the only one who doesn't go along with those clowns, wants to end our murderous foreign policy and reduce the size of the Federal Government back to within the limits set out by the Constitution.

Good grief!

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___________________________ As to his voting record here is where I got my info.


http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296

His votes show me that he is anti abortion, promilitary, pro NRA and in bed with the Dog Racing lobbists, The only vote of his I favored was on Michigan Cherries.

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The problem is that people who probably make the best candidates don't want to troll through the mud and sell themselves for the money needed to run these days. I was a political science major and politics just fills me with disgust. The last national campaign I was willing to work on was Jimmy Carter's. I do like to be active in local politics. I think there is more accountability when you have to stand in line at the grocery store with the voters. [Smile]
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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
___________________________ As to his voting record here is where I got my info.


http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296

His votes show me that he is anti abortion, promilitary, pro NRA and in bed with the Dog Racing lobbists, The only vote of his I favored was on Michigan Cherries.

Mo-Man,

I checked out your link on Ron Paul and kept on checking. Ron Paul is not just part of the problem – He’s Scary, Racist, Anti-Semite, Neo-Nazi, and Anti-Child.

Here are some fun links

Racist anti-Semite from CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/

This from a Neo-Nazi website:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=63682

Another reputable site discusses Neo-Nazi ties:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html

One way Neo-Nazis raise money is through Kiddie Porn (Just Google the terms and puke).

His votes are in line with this:

Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids. (Apr 2003)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm#Families_+_Children

Voted NO on H.R. 3132 [109th]: Children's Safety Act of 2005:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2005-470
This was part of the history of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act

(For non USA readers, Adam Walsh was murdered by a sex pervert and as a result Adam's father, John, lobbied for a child protection law and started a TV show called “America’s Most Wanted”. The law is intended to stop child murder and child pornography: http://dying.about.com/od/suddendeath/a/adamlaw.htm)

Of course, Ron Paul is also Soft On Crime with only an 11% rating by the National Criminal Justice Association:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm#Crime

He speaks sweetly about protecting property rights. Here’s a quote from his website:

Elected Officials Threatening Property Rights
by Ron Paul, Dr.
It’s clear that many political and business interests are only too willing to drive people literally out of their homes to make way for the grand schemes of those in power. This is why every American needs to understand that property rights are the foundation of a free society. Without property rights, all citizens live subject to the whims of government officials. When government can seize your property without your consent, all of your other rights are negated.

But he voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border because of “security” concerns:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/?tag=Property%20Rights

The fence is a HUGE Federal land grab.

So much for Ron Paul.

Thanks for the heads up Mo-Man.

CP

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He also voted YES to the war in Afghanistan, and NO to every appropriation for veterans benefits.

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quote:
Originally posted by garlicguy:
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Originally posted by TheMoMan:
_______________________ Ron Paul!!! He is part of the problem, he votes lock step with his GOP buddies, No we need an outsider not someone that created the mess.

Where in the world do you get THAT idea? Or are you unaware that the mainstream media is in league with the GOP and the Democrat Party and the financial moguls?

Ron Paul is the only one who doesn't go along with those clowns, wants to end our murderous foreign policy and reduce the size of the Federal Government back to within the limits set out by the Constitution.

Good grief!

In theory it should not be necessary to discuss a politician with views as eccentric as Ron Paul's, but given how extreme the people running the Republican Party are already, perhaps his ideas deserve some attention, in case they start to leach out further into the mainstream. My views on his political philosophy are summarised by the famous Mencken quote in my sig.

He is commonly portrayed as a kindly grandfather figure who apart from his religious convictions on the abortion issue, is socially liberal and fiscally conservative. While I grant that he seems a sincere and moral man, I think the socially liberal part is misleading and fiscally conservative understates it. He is at the very extreme right of movement conservatism, that wants to move the US back to the era before FDR and the New Deal. He would cut most federal government expenditure and abolish all federal income tax. That kind of social liberalism grants benefits only to the rich, and great benefits only to the super rich.

GG you always appear to be someone whose Christian beliefs place some value on community and your society as a whole. Do you really think that the rich in the US are overtaxed and companies over regulated, that people need more encouragement to get off their backsides and be entrepreneurial? Do you think that the growing divide between the rich and poor in the US should become a chasm? Do you think that you would actually benefit from an even more divided society? I find it hard to understand how a concerned caring person like yourself, who I respect very much because you do not just talk the talk, but put your Christian beliefs into practise, could imagine any good created by such policies. To me its like saying what the US needs is a much more extensive and downtrodden underclass. Well whoop di doo!

As to the "clowns" running the two big parties now, I agree that they aren't particularly inspiring, but worse they aren't even very funny. Perhaps it would be better if the US elected a real comedian. This could be a good campaign song. [Wink]

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