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Colonel Panic
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/08/books/08capt.html?_r=1&ref=books&oref=slogin

Pretty sad when a Super Hero is killed on your watch. Last time it happened was when Bush's father was President, just before Slick Willie took over in January of 1993.

Letting Captain America or Superman die while you are President is very sad commentary.

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Icon 1 posted March 07, 2007 19:26      Profile for Metasquares   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
You can blame Bush for a lot of things, but this is hardly one of them.
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Icon 1 posted March 07, 2007 22:06      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I agree Metasquares, you can't blame the shrub for this one.

Personally, I blame Russia, China, France, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Saddam, The U.N. and Darfur.

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And Saddam Hussein. [Wink]
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....and the food for oil program.....

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Icon 12 posted March 08, 2007 12:27      Profile for Stereo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
And Canada. Always blame Canada. We must have been guilty of something, or will, some given time. So if you blame us often enough, you'll be right at some point.

(Well, we're a country with a rising racism problem, for a start. Or at least, that's what Egypt seems to believe, because a football/soccer [muslim] refeere decided that a hidjab could be as dangerous as a necklace, and had to be removed in order to play. And there's that poll where Quebecers admitted to being racists, too. That people may have mixed up "racism" and "racial prejudice" is irrelevant. So we must have killed Captain America with our super racist powers. [Razz] [Big Grin] )

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quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
And Canada. Always blame Canada.

Not always. We frequently blame Mexico, instead. [Wink]

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Yes, immigrants really piss off European Americans! We hate 'em all!

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Let's blame Hitler.

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quote:
Originally posted by Metasquares:
You can blame Bush for a lot of things, but this is hardly one of them.

I'm falling on the side of Metasquares on that one. Do you really think Bush picked up the red phone and told DC to kill him?

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quote:
Originally posted by Just_Jess_B:
quote:
Originally posted by Metasquares:
You can blame Bush for a lot of things, but this is hardly one of them.

I'm falling on the side of Metasquares on that one. Do you really think Bush picked up the red phone and told DC to kill him?
Yes.

But don't worry - he'll be in the primaries [Big Grin]

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Guys, I hate to break it to you, but...

Captin America is a commic, not a real man. I know this will shock some of you, but it's true. I'm sorry to crush your reality CP, but Marvel killed the Hero not Bush.

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The only connection, and I think it's arguable at best, is that Marvel might perhaps feel that as the right has attempted to hijack patriotic symbols for itself that Captain America is now a rather problematic figure, and hence the decision to kill him off.

Here in the UK we never made such a big deal of our flag, maybe because the monarchy has a similar symbolic role in our national life, but in a similar way the Union Jack now has an unfortunate and rather uncomfortable association with racism and the far right neofascist parties.

You may be surprised to know that the "death" of Captain America has has fairly widespread media coverage here too.

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Calli, I was reading a quote in a different article:

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Series writer Ed Brubaker - who grew up reading Captain America comics while his father, a naval intelligence officer, was stationed on Guantanamo Bay, Cuba - said it wasn't easy to kill off the character. The 40-year-old, however, wanted to explore what the hero meant to the country in these polarized times.

"What I found is that all the really hard-core left-wing fans want Cap to be standing out on and giving speeches on the streetcorner against the Bush administration, and all the really right-wing [fans] all want him to be over in the streets of Baghdad, punching out Saddam," Brubaker said.



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That is in fact something that Capt America has been struggling with since at least the late 60's and probably before...

I recall reading the "Captain America Must Die!" story sometime back in the 70s in an annual and it seems its roots lie even futher back in the saga, in it Steve Rogers aka Captain America torments himself trying to figure out what exactly he stands for, or should stand for... left vs right, etc etc. and decides that there is no "single" America for him to stand for anymore and so Captain America Must Die!

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Cap'n Vic

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quote:
Originally posted by GameMaster:
Guys, I hate to break it to you, but...

Captin America is a commic, not a real man. I know this will shock some of you, but it's true. I'm sorry to crush your reality CP, but Marvel killed the Hero not Bush.

Dude. Seriously.
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quote:
Originally posted by Serenak:
That is in fact something that Capt America has been struggling with since at least the late 60's and probably before...

I recall reading the "Captain America Must Die!" story sometime back in the 70s in an annual and it seems its roots lie even futher back in the saga, in it Steve Rogers aka Captain America torments himself trying to figure out what exactly he stands for, or should stand for... left vs right, etc etc. and decides that there is no "single" America for him to stand for anymore and so Captain America Must Die!

America's been polarized by issues many times in the past. Early on it was the Federalists vs. the States' Rights groups, abolition, prohibitionism, and probably a number of less famous issues. It's troubling how deep the split seems to go at times, but I don't think that necessarily undermines the concept of a "single" America.

Of course, all the press and selling a lot of comic books probably had little to do with having Captain America killed. [Wink]

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I agree Sxept

Just saying that the writer's of Capt America have (on more than one occasion) had the Cap. reflect on and question what it is he stands for, what does it mean to be "American" etc.

I am not now and have never really been a big Marvel or DC comic book fan but here and there when they have penetrated my consciousness I noticed that Captain America seemed to often contain a rather deeper and more meaningful thread than the I others I have seen... or maybe I just happend to find the odd ones that had those sort of storylines? How can I tell? My sample is too statistically insignificant to draw any reasonably supportable conclusions.

[Big Grin]

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