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Colonel Panic
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/11/iraq.main/index.html

An attack on a foreign embassy or consulate, by international law, is considered an invasion of that nation. It is an act of war.

Conservatives like Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan are up in arms on the conservative news.

Republican Senator Hagel from Nebraska is in a state of outrage. And he is not alone. Eight Republican Senators have already broken ranks from the President, leaving the Senate one vote away from taking George W. Bush from lame duck president to dead duck president.

Bush is an outlaw.

It is time for impeachment.

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Oh silly Colonel. The US doesn't recognise international law.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
Oh silly Colonel. The US doesn't recognise international law.

Unless they are on the right side of it for a change [Wink]
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CP______________________Did you also notice that none of the other networks covered this raid, but they were right there in Greece, when our embassy took a hit from a shoulder fired weapon. Maybe a little creative licence, for news reporting.

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Details seem a bit sketchy and sometimes contradictory. I have to wonder if other networks are just trying to figure out what is going on. I'm sure wondering.

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I had to Google to find another story about the Iranian Consulate attack in Iraq, but every news organization on TV and on the web has a story about the attack on the US Embassy in Greece that busted one window. [Roll Eyes]
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A little OT, but in a way shows the same issues and problems.

It is like the newsweek covers. Around the world it is Iraq, civil war, chaos. Here in the states they focus on a fluff article in the mag and cover.

Spoon feed, deflect, distort and lie. All in the name of keeping democracy safe, of course.

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quote:
January 12, 2007 09:37
Details seem a bit sketchy and sometimes contradictory. I have to wonder if other networks are just trying to figure out what is going on. I'm sure wondering.

 

Part I: A Consulate Is Not "A Place to Station Military Units"
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Both of Thursday's raids were in Irbil, a northern Kurdish city. One was carried out at 3 a.m. on the Iranian Liaison Office, which is used by Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a local headquarters.
  1. Iranian Revolutionary Guards are military.
  2. Consulate implies foreign officials in a country promoting and protecting foreign interests.
  3. Military units promote and protect interests through warfare.

Conclusion: Iran has military operations in Iraq (headquartered in Irbil).
 
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Notice that the so-called-consulate is Nowhere Near Baghdad? If the Iranians truly wanted to work with the Iraqi government:
  1. The so-called-consulate would be in Baghdad, and
  2. It would not be used as headquarters for Iranian military units.

Part II: Colonels and Generals Are Not "Diplomats"
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The United States is trying to identify and detain top officials of the Revolutionary Guards' al-Quds Brigade operating in Iraq. The al-Quds Brigade is active in arming, training and funding militant movements, such as Lebanon's Hezbollah, throughout the Middle East.

Last month, U.S. forces nabbed two senior Iranians - Brig. Gen. Mohsen Chirazi and Col. Abu Amad Davari - in the first round of raids. Chirazi is the No. 3 in the al-Quds Brigade and the highest-ranking Iranian ever held by the United States.

Diplomats are not known as Brigadier General or Colonel, but I won't be surprised if Iran says otherwise.   [shake head]
 

Part III: Talking About Embassies....
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January 11, 2007 18:17
An attack on a foreign embassy or consulate, by international law, is considered an invasion of that nation. It is an act of war.

Hmmm ... I seem to remember Iran taking over 60 Americans hostage for something like 444 days by attacking a US embassy in Tehran back in 1979. The Iranian government that carried out those attacks is still running the country, and has the same basic foreign policy.   [Frown]

Would you like a longer list of what Iran has been doing (for "god")? (Rhetorical Question)

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My daughter 'phoned me from Athens this morning. She can't understand why the "rocket attack" is making such a stir. She told me that it was more a piece of political theatre by a small left wing group. The rocket was aimed at the eagle at the front of the embassy, missed and then fell down and broke the window, so it was not really a serious attempt.

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ASM,

Of course I remember the hoastage taking at the US Embassy in Iran.

Remember those were "students" who took that embassy.

We had soldiers take over this embassy. Our CIA could very well have hired "students" to do this job. Get it?

Also, most embassies of most countries have some covert operations going on, still it is allowed. We do it, they do it, everybody does it. The places aren't that big from which to launch major operations.

From time to time, we arrest spies and the other guys arrest spies. Nobody raids an embassy to do that.

I think the reason that even many conservatives are outraged, is the nakedness of the raid appeared to be goading Iran, which isn't a smart thing to do on the international stage.

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quote:
Remember those were "students" who took that embassy.
The government of Iran was complicit in the hostage taking.

It is impossible that "students" held Americans hostage for 444 days in the US embassy, and the government of Iran could do nothing to release them.

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Also, most embassies of most countries have some covert operations going on, still it is allowed.
Spies perform spying. Generals and colonels carry out military operations.

Military operations are open warfare. The "insurgents" (terrorists) are killing tens of thousands of Iraqis, and Iran is training (some of) them.

Countries tolerate spying. Countries do not tolerate "diplomats" promoting the death of tens of thousands of citizens.

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Really, ASM,

Those were "students", and they were upset that Dean Wormer cancelled the Toga party.

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From what I hear, Iran still sells very popular replicas of the vehicle used to storm the US embassy.
 
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In a way, you have to admire the tenacity and resourcefulness of those students.   [ohwell]

EDIT: Yeah, 20 years ago -- that was when students were real students. We didn't have high speed Internet porn, Xbox, and mobile phones with built-in video. All we had was booze, debauchery, and marijuana ... and we were damn good students.   [evil]

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LOL

Cool picture, ASM.

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quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
From what I hear, Iran still sells very popular replicas of the vehicle used to storm the US embassy.
 
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In a way, you have to admire the tenacity and resourcefulness of those students.   [ohwell]

EDIT: Yeah, 20 years ago -- that was when students were real students. We didn't have high speed Internet porn, Xbox, and mobile phones with built-in video. All we had was booze, debauchery, and marijuana ... and we were damn good students.   [evil]

[Eek!] ASM appeared almost......human in that post.....I remember a big "Eat Me" emblazoned on the side of the Deathmobile......although, I was pretty high when I saw that movie.

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Wow, US going against the same rules they helped forge? Hold the presses!

Anyway, even though Im not for the breaking of international law by a so-called "model" country, Iran's government still is too influenced by the Ayatollahand the fave pet project, Hezbollah, I wouldntbe surprised if US is correct this time.

The reasons US gave are not far-fetched, even after the "WDM" and nuclear program" BS Ive gotta agree with ASM, the US government the benefit of doubt. Iran's "embassy" seems too shady.

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Here's my "read" of the situation:

**** This is only "conjecture" -- Not Based On Anything Official ****

The US has known for a long time that weapons, money, and fighters (insurgents) enter Iraq from the Iran border.

However, weapons, money, and fighters come from lots of places, so:
  1. This leaves Iran as "no different" from other insurgent support, and therefore doesn't justify "special" attention.
     
  2. This indicates Iran isn't using "maximum" resources against US plans in Iraq.

Then something changes the US assessment of Iran's intentions in Iraq.....

Sometime in December (they're not specific), US forces capture an Iranian General, and a Colonel who are known senior officers of Iran's "covert" operations.

Iran has denied interfering in Iraq; however, with a captured Iranian general, that story won't hold up.

At this point, the US can put a minimum of hundreds of Iraqi deaths on the hands of the Iranians. Iran might say the general was teaching flower arrangement, but the national community will keep their heads down because they don't want to piss-off either side.

Next the US wants to know how far Iran went by sending Iranian troops and senior officers into Iraq. "A month after" the capture of Iran's general, US troops go to Iran's "office" at 3 am in the morning and say "we think you're hiding explosives here." The Iranians think "sure, look for explosives, we don't have any." Then a US liaison says "by the way, we caught General Chirazi with insurgents that have killed Iraqis; until it's proven that this office had nothing to do with his actions, this place will remain closed."

(Prediction) It will not make the news, but the US will insist that Iran not be allowed diplomatic immunity or embassies. The worst thing Iran could do would be to openly use force in Iraq after claiming the US committed an act of war.

Reason: The US will prove Iran had generals, Iranian troops (Revolutionary Guards), and Iranian supplied weapons in Iraq -- which constitutes Iran waging war in Iraq, and puts the blame on Iran for starting hostilities.

Iran can talk all they want and make accusations against the US, and the US won't say anything. The US would rather catch more Iranian military officers in Iraq than try to directly go after Iran.

If Iran caused an official US/Iran war, it would give the US authority to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities into oblivion. The US would probably ignore everything else Iran had, unless Iran sent forces into Iraq (at which point, Iran's army would be incinerated just like Saddam's tanks).

If the US had not caught one of Iran's top generals, it would not have raided the Iran office, because there would be nothing to link Iran to the insurgents in Iraq. (Maybe Iran should have let the "little fish" do all the work.)

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Sources?

Seems a bit pleasable, as IranŽs response seems too muted, in a rush to sweep the subject under the carpet.

On the other hand we did recently witness the US poresident accepoting a long list of policies as mistakes due to falty intelligence.

Im still giving US the benefit of doubt here, as these tactics are something IŽd believe coming from hezbollah alright.

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