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Is saddam dead yet ???

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He is, apparently.

Someone should film some bumpy, blurry footage of a staged hanging, and upload it to Blip or Revver as "leaked film" of his hanging. Make some money from the ads.

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It was filmed so it should be surfacing anytime soon. So when do Bush and Blair hang?

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It's ironic that they hanged him for a massacre that took place in 1982, when he was "Our man in the gulf". For years afterwards, he enjoyed the warm (and military) support of the USA and Australia.

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It's ironic that people have never heard "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Nation-to-Nation relations are not the same as those on the third grade playground.
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quote:
Originally posted by Chesty:
Nation-to-Nation relations are not the same as those on the third grade playground.

You're right there, third-graders typically display far greater maturity.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
It's ironic that they hanged him for a massacre that took place in 1982, when he was "Our man in the gulf". For years afterwards, he enjoyed the warm (and military) support of the USA and Australia.

Well, look at it this way. Rather than hanging him for any of his alleged large scale atrocities, they chose to take him down with a relatively small domestic crime. The 150 of so people he killed for that crime pale in comparison to hundreds killed every day since the US illegal invasion.

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Ill skip the usual list of stuff Saddam got from US and Europe, weaponry and chemicals, and the list of dicators supported past and present by the West, even the US bodycount in Iraq surpassing 9-11 numbers and the Iraqi deaths 2000-short to surpassing the Saddam year's bodycount, or even the everlasting Shiite/Sunni grudge that Saddam kept in check and US cant and say this-

Its good seeing someone take out one of the biggest foreign policy errors in the Middle East. Im just surprised it took 3 presidencies for someone to do so.

If anyone deserved hanging, Saddam is that person.

Im going to wait and see how the Iraq situation is in the next 2 years before giving an opinion on it.

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The timing's interesting...

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From CNN article:
Eid Al-Adha -- a holiday period that means Feast of the Sacrifice, celebrated by Muslims around the world at the climax of the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca. The law does not permit executions to be carried out during religious holidays.

Eid began Saturday for Sunnis and begins Sunday for Shiites. It lasts for four days. Hussein was a Sunni Muslim.

 
So, the execution took place on the first day of Eid if you're Sunni, or the day before Eid if you're Shiite. By tradition, Eid is a time when prisoners are pardoned, no executions take place during the festival.

I bet that does wonders to soothe the sectarian tension in Iraq.

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Here's the execution, bewarned, he suffocated slowly

Saddam hung http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521

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quote:
Originally posted by Chesty:
It's ironic that people have never heard "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Nation-to-Nation relations are not the same as those on the third grade playground.

I do hope your president has finally learned this lesson too.

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quote:
Originally posted by JulioC:
Here's the execution, bewarned, he suffocated slowly

Saddam hung http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521

This saddens me greatly.
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I can't believe they hung him! How...tasteless. If they really wanted to make him pay for what he did, try putting him in isolation for 50 years. Or forcing him to watch Hayden Christensen...

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quote:
Originally posted by never_ask_why333:
I can't believe they hung him! How...tasteless. If they really wanted to make him pay for what he did, try putting him in isolation for 50 years. Or forcing him to watch Hayden Christensen...

As much as I detest the death penalty, I can't say I disagree with it in his case. I guess the thing that would concern me the most is that in the event of a complete gov't handoff to .iq, he might be broken out by insurgents and reinstated. Just how much time and money do you think would be spent on his security? In the end, he was a very bad man, and now he's dead. I can't say that his death necessarily came about by the most just means of trial, but it is done.

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Having sat in contemplation for many hours trying to make sense of my emotions and the great disappointment I have in the Hanging of Saddam Hussein; many very good points come to mind, many statements concerning the way of life, and many other emotions that have stemmed from this tragic event.

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Hitler was a very great man. ... he was a great German and he rose Germany up from the ashes of her defeat by the united force of all of Europe and America after the First World War. Yet Hitler took Germany from the ashes and rose her up and made her the greatest fighting machine of the twentieth century, brothers and sisters, and even though Europe and America had deciphered the code that Hitler was using to speak to his chiefs of staff, they still had trouble defeating Hitler even after knowing his plans in advance. Now I'm not proud of Hitler's evil toward Jewish people, but that's a matter of record. He rose Germany up from nothing.

Greatness, like achievement and reward, has a very positive connotation. Great is simply more than average. It has no ties to good or evil, two terms which are very subjective within themselves. Alfred the Great, after all, given his name as the King at war, was a great at things thought to be horrible by some. Hitler was great. Saddam was great. He provided hope for some, and that within itself is a great feat.

Two commanders, more often than not, can sit as civil as friends and drink tea from the same pot as they are very similar people, though, whose troops would give their life to take that of the opposing commanders. This, and this alone, leads me to a verse of Deuteronomy 12.2-3.

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Having conquered these nations, you must utterly destroy all the sanctuaries where they honored their gods-on the mountains heights, on the hills, and under every leafy tree. Topple their altars, smash their pillars, burn their sacred groves and hew down their idols, and thus blot out all memory of them from these places.


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Jace, what f**king drugs are you on? [Big Grin]
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This is the view from the sharp end.

It makes our self importance and bickering very trivial. Poor bastards. [Frown]

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It makes you realise that the depth of ruin of the world is still always worse than you realised. And then you realise that whoever wrote that, has TV, Internet access, so if you think where she lives is bad, it's gotta be whole lot worse still somewhere else.
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"The government that governs best, governs least."

- Thomas Jefferson.


"by these standards, we have set up a fabulous government in Iraq"

- S Colbert.

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December 30, 2006 12:26
Rather than hanging him for any of his alleged large scale atrocities.... The 150 of so people he killed for that crime pale in comparison ....

[shake head]   Alleged Large Scale Atrocities? Obviously "alleged" like Hitler's "alleged" killing of a few million Jews. Or the "alleged" massacres in Sudan?

[shake head]   The 150 he killed pale in comparison....?     "Everyone" knows Saddam's regime wiped out as many as 300,000 Iraqis. If you're going to be wrong by more than a quarter of a million dead, why not say Saddam was framed for killing the other 148 people?

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(Saddam) enjoyed the warm (and military) support of the USA and Australia.

Iraq's best jet fighter,Mirage F-1, was purchased from France.

The Iraqi army was also well-equipped with (what some considered to be the best artillery weapon in the world) the French-made 155 mm howitzer.

The vast majority of Iraq's air force consisted of nearly 200 Russian-made jet fighters including MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-25, Sukhoi SU-22 and Sukhoi SU-25 interceptors.

The Iraqi army was equipped with hundreds of Russian artillery pieces, rocket launchers, BMP armored vehicles, T-55 and T-72 tanks and Scud missiles.

Iraq reportedly owed Russia over $4 billion for arms purchases in the past 20 years.

It defies logic that Iraq was armed with French and Russian weapons and owed billions of dollars to France and Russia as a result of being "supported by the US and Australia."

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The timing's interesting....     So, the execution took place on ... Eid.... By tradition, Eid is a time when prisoners are pardoned, no executions take place during the festival.

December 30, 2006 00:34
It's ironic that they hanged him for a massacre that took place in 1982.

It looks more like someone wanted to "make a statement" -- Irony is irrelevant.
  1. Who were the victims? -- Shiites. Where's the concern for dead Kurds?
     
  2. How many were killed? -- 148 dead? Where's the concern for the other quarter of a million that were murdered by Saddam's regime (to include 80,000 Kurds)?
     
  3. How long ago did it happen? -- Over 20 years ago (1982). Was an old event used to display a policy of "never forget" (always get revenge)?
     
  4. When was the execution performed? -- Within one day of a festival where pardons are granted and executions suspended? Apparently a "double insult" to Sunnis because the execution was during the festival where executions should not occur.

    Message: Revenge before peace and religious conventions.

Bottom line: 98% of Iraqis may want peace, but those with "power" (RPG's, machine guns, plastic explosives, etc) want revenge and more power, and they gladly let everyone know it.   [Frown]

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quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
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Bottom line: 98% of Iraqis may want peace, but those with "power" (RPG's, machine guns, plastic explosives, etc) want revenge and more power, and they gladly let everyone know it.

ASM,

Could you explain this last statement more clearly? It appears at odds with one fundamental conservative principle.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=108

You haven't gone Ted Kennedy or Hillary Clinton on us, have you?

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Mr 65816 believes that proof of other nations assisting Iraq somehow disproves the assertion that the USA was also providing assistance.

Mr 65816 is obviously unaware that US support for Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war is a matter of public record.

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"pathogenic" (meaning disease producing), "toxigenic" (meaning poisonous) and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq, pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce. It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."[14]

The report then detailed 70 shipments (including anthrax bacillus) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program.

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"UN inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs."


Mr 65816 is also presumably unaware of this friendly meeting between Saddam and Donald Rumsfeld, in December 1983.
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By golly gosh ASM, I see it all now. It wasn't our fault, we didn't do it, we weren't there. And 98% of Iraqis support us.

Thanks for putting me right.

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quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
By golly gosh ASM, I see it all now. It wasn't our fault, we didn't do it, we weren't there. And 98% of Iraqis support us.

Thanks for putting me right.

Of course Cali. It's the 2% that keep blowing the shit out of us.
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Now who is going to double-park in front of Kramer's car?
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