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sparkle
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posted January 06, 2005 16:09
hello all!
I am a freshmen in college. I have to take calc-based phy, but I did not take any phy in highschool. I have the calc I need for the course, but do you suggest I take college based physics first, or the class be a waste of time?
Thanks
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posted January 06, 2005 16:10
Take an English course first. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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posted January 06, 2005 16:16
Sparkle: yes
Cap'n Vic: Ahh, nice WWCVD, it's been a while ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted January 07, 2005 06:34
Okay, nice reply, now I know I have missed some time, but forgive my ignorance.
What does WWCVD mean? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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posted January 07, 2005 06:41
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Originally posted by Swiss Mercenary:
Okay, nice reply, now I know I have missed some time, but forgive my ignorance.
What does WWCVD mean?
It's like "WWJD", "What would Jesus do?" Apparently it's some motivational thing Christians use when dealing with situations -- that part I'm not entirely sure of.
"WWCVD" is "What would Cap'n Vic do?" ... because his responses are generally picking apart stupid people or funny as hell.
ie if the question is, "how do I get him to like me?" the normal answer is "be yourself, give him your number, bla bla bla bla..." the WWCVD answer is, "show up naked.... with beer."
See?
As for sparkle's question, I'd suggest staying away from physics if you haven't learned anything at least in highschool before. The math isn't the difficult part in physics, it's the way you do things .. at least that's what I think and I've only taken physics in highschool, and I can't imagine going beyond that without knowing what I learned then first.
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The Famous Druid
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posted January 07, 2005 12:36
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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
I'd suggest staying away from physics if you haven't learned anything at least in highschool before. The math isn't the difficult part in physics, it's the way you do things .. at least that's what I think and I've only taken physics in highschool, and I can't imagine going beyond that without knowing what I learned then first.
The maths at high-school level is pretty easy, at university level it rapidly degenerates into masses of integrals and differential equations.
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ChemGeek
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posted January 07, 2005 19:01
I was required to take 2 semseters of calc based physics last year. I had two semsters of caculus and high school physics under my belt and it still kicked my ass. I'd reccomend taking more than just calc 1 before attempting calc based physics. But don't bother with non-calc physics. Physics taught from the calculus perspective is actually easier to understand. It allows you to see the math behind everything instead of just memorizing a bunch of equations. No matter what you take, be prepared to work your ass off.
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posted January 07, 2005 20:03
Hello Sparkle. Good luck in these not-so-shark-infested waters. But do check for major errors in your posts if you wish to avoid drawing fire from the grammar and spelling Nazi's.
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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
It's like "WWJD", "What would Jesus do?" Apparently it's some motivational thing Christians use when dealing with situations -- that part I'm not entirely sure of.
dnfm: "WWJD" is our fad marketing world gone nuts within the 'Christian' community. The phrase it represents, "What would Jesus do?", is taken from the 1910 Charles Sheldon [possibly Shelton, it's been awhile] novel titled, In His Steps. The book is a worthwhile read no matter what your bias or faith happens to be. In it, he sets up a very real circumstance which challenges those who witness it first hand or learn of it, to examine their lives in the light of the Gospel teachings of and about Jesus of Nazareth. It takes place in a neighborhood among a group of church-attending Christians and is narrated from a Christian prospective. It does not "preach" the Christian Gospel so much as call upon those who claim to believe it to "practice what they preach" by considering what Jesus would do, in each circumstance of their daily lives.
Btw, my own personal poll has convinced me that < about 1 in 50 persons wearing WWJD fad fashion anything [bracelets, sneakers, sunglasses, thongs, you name it] could correctly identify where the phrase originate nor its full meaning.
Sorry about the rant:blush:
Hope that helps.
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posted January 07, 2005 21:00
Actually, I'd say WWJD is a very useful philosophy, and something that even non believers should be interested in pushing. Especially since it tends to expose hypocrisy in those who claim Christianity but don't practice it so well as they ought[1]
For example, would Jesus bomb Iraq? I leave the answer to that as an exercise for the reader
[1] Yes, there's the whole "not perfect, just forgiven" thing, but it's not hard to sense someone who's truly trying and messing up vs someone who isn't really trying at all
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posted January 07, 2005 21:53
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Originally posted by garlicguy:
my own personal poll has convinced me that < about 1 in 50 persons wearing WWJD fad fashion anything [bracelets, sneakers, sunglasses, thongs, you name it] could correctly identify where the phrase originate nor its full meaning.
And of course, some US 'christians' (you know who I mean) interprets it as WWJK? (Who Would Jesus Kill?) and sadly, the answer is quite a long list.....
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posted January 07, 2005 22:30
I agree with you guys about how few christians can actually grasp the meaning of WWJD let alone apply it. I'm a christian and all I ask is that you not generalize. There are those that take it to heart and try to live it out. By the way I never wore on of those bands, when they became a fad all meaning was lost.
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posted January 07, 2005 22:36
I still love the note my friend had on his door. So simple, and so true.
WWJD?
JWRTFM
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posted January 07, 2005 22:44
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Originally posted by ChemGeek:
I agree with you guys about how few christians can actually grasp the meaning of WWJD let alone apply it. I'm a christian and all I ask is that you not generalize. There are those that take it to heart and try to live it out. By the way I never wore on of those bands, when they became a fad all meaning was lost.
As am I, ChemGeek, hence my post ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted January 07, 2005 23:19
Sorry, dragon (hmm, now that there's a new dragon on the boards I might not be able to call you that; still, 'tis less of a chance for me to swear than when typing "dman"!), but I don't know what these letters mean: JWRTFM. Care to enlighten me?
Yeah, at first the WWJD stuff was kinda cool, 'cause it was a good reminder, but like everything else it's been over-commercialized. To a lesser extent, FROG has been as well (Fully Rely on God).
Considering that we're supposed to be "pray[ing] without ceasing," and to live in a constant attitude of humility, bracelets, etc., shouldn't really be necessary.
EDIT: When I use the collective we, I mean born-again, saved/sanctified/redeemed Christians.
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posted January 07, 2005 23:37
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Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
EDIT: When I use the collective we, I mean born-again, saved/sanctified/redeemed Christians.
It's comforting to see other Chritians on forums like this. I'm not sure why it surprised me, but it did.
How's that for being off topic, arent we supposed to be talking about physics?
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posted January 07, 2005 23:53
Yeah, there's a bunch of us Christians on this board: CSK, Spiderman, CrawGator, myself, and some others. Some of us are more blatant/open about it than others. A bunch more of us have had Christian upbringings. There's actually another board to which some of us belong that is geared toward Christianity and life in general instead of just tech stuff with a bit of religious discussion thrown in on the side.
Actually, it's kind of appropriate to discuss God in a physics post.
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posted January 08, 2005 00:18
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Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
I don't know what these letters mean: JWRTFM. Care to enlighten me?
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posted January 08, 2005 00:33
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Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
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Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
I'd suggest staying away from physics if you haven't learned anything at least in highschool before. The math isn't the difficult part in physics, it's the way you do things .. at least that's what I think and I've only taken physics in highschool, and I can't imagine going beyond that without knowing what I learned then first.
The maths at high-school level is pretty easy, at university level it rapidly degenerates into masses of integrals and differential equations.
Um... yeah - you mean, like, the fun stuff! Physics without calculus is like the pipe without the crack. Personally, it was the differential equations that floated my boat - I could take or leave what the devil they pertained to. But that's just me.
But remember, kids: if something's hard to do, it's not worth doing. </Homer>
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posted January 08, 2005 01:51
I never said I liked physics, it is actually the bane of my existance. As my name suggests, I prefer chemistry.
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posted January 08, 2005 11:38
I didn't like physics either, but I loved chemistry so much I'm in a PhD program for biochem.
I've noticed that people tend to split into two groups: those that love physics and those who love chemistry. Those who love one seem to hate the other across the board, though every now and then you'll see someone who likes both.
I was never any great shakes at math, but I could do it. I was always very relieved when I got past the miserable concepts and sorted out what equations to use in a physics or physical chemistry problem set because after that it was just tossing numbers around.
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posted January 08, 2005 13:08
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Originally posted by Xanthine:
I've noticed that people tend to split into two groups: those that love physics and those who love chemistry. Those who love one seem to hate the other across the board, though every now and then you'll see someone who likes both.
Don't forget those wretched biologists. All I ever needed to know about biology, I learned from disecting a frog and sex-ed.
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posted January 08, 2005 13:19
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Originally posted by Xanthine:
I've noticed that people tend to split into two groups: those that love physics and those who love chemistry.
There *Really* are only two groups of people in the whole wide world: Those who think that all people split into two groups, and those who don't.
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posted January 08, 2005 13:35
/me slaps ChemGeek
I'm a biochemist you insensitive clod!
Okay, we're the retards of the chem department but hey, we're still part of the chemistry department. Our areas just don't smell as bad...unless somoene spills a liter of E. coli or drops the beta-mercaptoethanol bottle.
I actually get a little more respect by being a crystallographer. Not sure why. Apparently people are impressed by the math and pretty pictures, even though iin this day and age all the math and illustrating is done by computers.
I enjoyed bio, but found it to be way too easy at the organismal level. I start losing interest once you can see it under a microscope. I even found molecular bio a bit boring, which is why I went with the biochem. Molecular biologists like to classify biomolecules and sorta outline the behavior of the macromolecule (it's an enzyme in pathway n, it resembles other enzymes in pathway n in mice, flies, zebra fish and yeast but has no homologs in bacteria or archaea, knock-out studies in yeast show that it is not essential to cellular function...). Biochemists like to describe how biomolecules behave (it's an enzyme in pathway n with substrate x, product y, it's inhibited by W and v, it has a rate constant of z and if you switch this amino acid with this amino acid you can eliminate/enhance/change the function in such and such a manner which tells us that this amino acid is probably involved in catalysis/binding...).
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posted January 08, 2005 13:49
There are two kinds of people in the world, those who finish their sentences
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posted January 08, 2005 13:53
I said the bio thing for your benefit. I've had a semester of biochem and i didnt like it all that well. The prof was an adjunct who couldn't teach and she tried to teach from a bio perspective, which confused the hell out of myself and my chem major friends. All of the sciences are so interconnected it's impossible to get away from the ones you don't particularly care for.
Crystallography is hard stuff, you deserve the respect for it
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