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spungo
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Icon 1 posted April 08, 2003 06:45      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Something's been bugging me for a long time... the film The Matrix - the geezers with the shades on all the time ( you know, Hugo Weaving + pals) ... that look - the whole menacing eye-less thing. It's from Psycho. When Janet Leigh is stopped by the highway cop (one of my all-time fave Hitchcock scenes) - you never see his eyes. Of course, in Psycho, his eyelessness is symbolic of the faceless anxiety which pursues her, blah, blah... The Matrix wholly rips this from Hitchcock - utterly stolen! Ennit?

There is an undeniable similarity, isn't there... or am I nuts?

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Now you've gone and mentioned that movie again! [Mad] But seriously, it's been awile since I've seen that, so I don't remember that part. I don't like Psycho as much as some other Hitchcock movies, Strangers On A Train in particular. Really, I think that the Matrix is a ripoff of a lot of things: Gnostic philosophy, Zen Budhism, Kung Fu (the TV show) and William Gibson. All of which are more interesting than that film. I liked it OK, but Geez, some people think it's the new Citizen Kane. [Roll Eyes]
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I'm afraid I don't follow - Hugo Weaving *does* take his glasses off - when he fights Neo at the subway station. After Neo takes a piece out of the Agent's glasses, he takes them, and throws them away. Yes, I've seen the Matrix *many* times, and some of my friends and I managed to get someone to say, (while watching it at her house one time) "Okay, let's just watch the movie, not listen to you guys narrate it." [Wink]

Edit/Append: Of course, in general, it is true that you don't see their eyes, but I was pointing to the fact that you do see them at least once. Now off to do 3 assignments in under 5 hours [Frown] .

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Icon 1 posted April 08, 2003 07:13      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, yes - he *does* take his glasses off - that's not the point - the point is that the whole look with the glasses on (as he usually is) is ripped off.

GMx - Psycho is okay - I really only like the first half hour (which is utterly superb!) To be honest, once she gets to Bates Motel I've lost interest.

North by North-West is probably his best.

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from http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.05/matrix2_pr.html...

The 10 Movies That Rocked My World
by John Gaeta
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5. Vertigo (Hitchcock)
The vertigo effect is completely original. If Alfred Hitchcock, Stanley Kubrick, or Orson Welles were alive, they would transcend today's virtual cinema in ways we could never imagine.
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quote:
Originally posted by GMx:
Really, I think that the Matrix is a ripoff of a lot of things:

mainly Ghost in the Shell. about half the fighting scenes, special effects and a good deal of the plot were taken by the Matrix and Fifth Element

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GMx i take it you also are gonna hate the month of May intensely since you hate the matrix

Matrix 2 and Enter the Matrix are released [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:
GMx i take it you also are gonna hate the month of May intensely since you hate the matrix

Matrix 2 and Enter the Matrix are released [Razz]

No, I didn't say I hated The Matrix, I rather enjoyed it, but as a movie I wouldn't rank it as anything special, just another action/sci-fi flick.
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also interesting to notice, many of the "good guys" (morpheus, trinity, neo) wear sunglasses a good part of the movie, especially morpheus when he's in the matrix. something else i noticed, the good guys' sunglasses all have mostly circular frames while the agents' sunglasses have more rectangular frames.

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i guess they had geforcefx's in their machine whilst the agents only had ati furys [Wink]

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Actually, if you want to really talk about what "the matrix" steals / borrows from, you should pick up "the matrix and philosophy"

A great read, and I am in the middle of it right now.

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here i come to save the day!
the matrix sunglasses tingi has refrence to reflection. that's why. and since you're talking about the matrix having refrences to other movies, many movies have also taken things from the matrix. and the matrix is not just another sci-fi flick. anyway, you're gonna hear from m3 in nov so catch up and good luck. [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by Mindzeye5:
something else i noticed, the good guys' sunglasses all have mostly circular frames while the agents' sunglasses have more rectangular frames.

Just thought I'd chime in and say that I think this particular item is a reference to the machine vs. man thing. Ractangles suggest math and computers, while roundness is more human. just my $0.020

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What if they took the glasses off and had crazy Marty Feldman eyes?

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quote:
Originally posted by neo:
here i come to save the day!
the matrix sunglasses tingi has refrence to reflection. that's why. and since you're talking about the matrix having refrences to other movies, many movies have also taken things from the matrix. and the matrix is not just another sci-fi flick. anyway, you're gonna hear from m3 in nov so catch up and good luck. [Razz]

well technically those movies stole from the movies the matrix stole from [Wink]

and yet again another unreadable post that makes us want to destroy the matrix

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I don't think Psycho was the earliest example of spooky bad guys in dark glasses. I seem to remember some rather camp policemen on motorcycles in Jean Cocteau's "Orpheť" which was made in 1949, and I think they wore dark glasses which they never removed, but my memory is a bit hazy. Anyone think of anything earlier?

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hey! the matrix rules!!!
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Neo, you have such a way with words... [Roll Eyes] .....you should consider writing a book.

"Trolling for/by Dummies" or "Spellun for the complete Idiot".....or maybe, "The fragmented sentence cook book".

Maybe if you actually form some coherent thougts BEFORE you type them you may *ahem* garner the respect you so desire.

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actually, i am a writer... [Cool]
just that, i'm passing off my time here and you guys are really doing a great job by keeping me off...

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quote:
Originally posted by neo:
actually, i am a writer... [Cool]
just that, i'm passing off my time here and you guys are really doing a great job by keeping me off...

i bet your books are widely read [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
Maybe if you actually form some coherent thougts BEFORE you type them you may *ahem* garner the respect you so desire.

why do you have to have coherent thoughts when you post?

i often go back and use the handy edit key that the bad grammar afficionados here long to understand how to use

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i don't write books. like i said, i was just passing my time so i type quickly and clumsily because of my experience here.

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neo wrote:
actually, i am a writer... [Cool]

Well... I'm game. What have you written?

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stuff and don't ask me, thank you. i'm not game. i am under a secret identity, working for a top-secret company if you like.

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Yeah. And nayt was doing psychology experiments. [Roll Eyes]
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