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SpikeSpiegel
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Icon 1 posted July 22, 2002 17:31      Profile for SpikeSpiegel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
but a lot of things are wrong with connecticut

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Twinkle Toes
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Icon 1 posted July 22, 2002 21:23      Profile for Twinkle Toes   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
*Sigh* All of you are talking about treating people in here as you would IRL. Well if you honestly can't stand it in the forums, I don't see how you must IRL! You can't stand a little steem, anger, threat, aggressiveness?

It's not at all true, Spungo, that I started this to make a few people mad for fun. I admit, I sometimes - oki, a little more than half the time - do enjoy it when others are mad (even if it's at me), so blame it on me if you feel like it. I didn't necessarily have a 'goal' for this thread. Like Neo said, all I wanted to do was tell you how I felt and give you the chance to do the same - and I respect those of you who choose/chose not to post your 'poster opinions'. All of you really should just shrug it off if you're strong enough. At least, that's what it takes in the real world anyway.

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Originally posted by uilleann:
Now, here's the twist - were I to air my views on Twinkle Toes in here, would I soon find myself in hospital with first-degree burns, Celtic style, or is she able to take the same level of frank opinion that she herself is dealing out to others? And how frank and open could I get before I'd be pushing my luck?

(Heh: 'first-degree burns, Celtic style' - good one ) Uilleann! STEAM ALL YOU WANT! I'd be happy so suck in all your 'anger' towards me if that's what you've got to give (although, 'knowing' what I know about you, that statement just might drive you away from doing so, heh). In the end I'd probably just laugh a bit, say "Oh that uilleann," and thank you for it all. I kinda got the feeling you really didn't LIKE me too much, but eh, that's the way it goes. At least I know *I'm* a strong enough person... I can handle it. Everyone else feel free to rant the f*ck off to me if you wish!!

I agree with you that this very much CAN hurt people's feelings. But like I said, how can you deal with all that's going on IRL?? I seriousely don't understand that. I don't know, MAYBE some of the people I've offended thought better of me than I did them, and they became angry and disappionted with me. That's fine, I know people like that already... so 'bring it on'. Some of you just aren't my style of friends/people (just like the real world), and that's actually a GOOD thing. If you weren't, we'd all LOVE eachother (oh good 'god', NO!), and there would be no individualism.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by snupy:
No, it doesn't bother me. I never was very good with children.


Why is it you think of me as a child so much? Is one reason because started this thread? First of all I knew it was probably going to make a lot of people upset (especially you, since I realize I gave you my worst 'bad rap'). And yet I went through with it. The reason as to why I did this is because I just wanted you to know what I thought of you... period. In addition, I believe whole-heartedly in truth and upfront honesty. Another thing is that I posted in the forums about 3 or 4 times asking if it would be oki with everyone if I created this thread... JUST to be safe. I got but one response (eh, maybe two), which was positive telling me to go ahead with it. Maybe the rest of you didn't see them... oh well, that's life.

But anywho, if it's something else, snupy, try and think back to what you were like at my age... unruly? 'Dangerous'? Maybe those things and more... you'll have to deal with them I guess if you really hate me as much as I think you do.

And another thing about the statement: It seems like you didn't really thoroughly read what I wrote, otherwise you would've picked up certain things other than just commenting on when I hoped it didn't bother you much - which did give leeway to communicate to me that you didn't like me, you were mad at me, etc. You don't seem to be getting the message that I don't HATE you (or maybe you are but don't care, because what *matters* is that I insulted you)... you're a funny person at times, and I'm glad you're the way you are. That's just fine, though, since it's not too easy to communicate exact feelings through words.

I'm not a total monster though. I do feel SOMEwhat sorry about the 'rude' things I've said. I didn't mean to have anyone against me forever - it seems to me like snupy's taken this route, though (but like anything else, I could be wrong). Life's too short to waste being mad at anyone... it really is. I'M not against anyone. But personally, I think you, snupy, are now VERY much against me. I don't understand 'the way you work', so I'm sorry for THAT - I'm not TOTALLY sorry, however, for what I said about you... it's the way I feel. Ironically, I used to think of you as my equal (in the beginning) because I got the feeling that you were just as strong, independent, and aggressive. Now I don't think that. I guess that's maybe all I should've said. But OH WELL.

Now on a different note...

Bucketofsquids: Yippy! I always thought you were quite neato in my book. I never heard much offensiviness from you (which I respect...).

Ti: Ahhh, poetic Ti, heh. You probably won't see this, but I loved reading those heart-felt reality-based poems you posted when I first came here.

Dragon34: YAY! (But you won't see this either! Ha!)You were always superb to me, too! I liked your opinions and your confidence in life. Great job! *sniffle*

Dualg: To tell you, I actually can't really pick up much traits as to what you're like. I'll just say that you're an oki person, heh.

Snaggy and Nitrozac: Usually when I think of you two, I wonder how much I've annoyed you :-/. I dunno, but I can't help but think that Snaggy doesn't really like me too much... which doesn't matter, but it's just what I think.. heh. I don't *think* I've heard much from Nitro, though, heh. I love your Joy of Tech comics the best!!! They're so funny and beautifully illustrated!! I'm sure Snaggy always tells you you have magic hands . But the biggest reason I love you both is just the fact that you even created GC. If you'd never done that, I wouldn't have had the pleasure of meeting such fine geeks, learning much from their experiences and wisdom, and falling in love with my geek, Bees ! Thank you EVER SO MUCH! I love you guys for it ...

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GameMaster
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Icon 4 posted July 23, 2002 23:43      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I realize that this thread has indeed brought about hostile feelings, and I realize that TT admittedly pointed out that some remarks she made were for the sole purpose for creating an argumentative attitude and sparking argument. I frown on argument for argument’s sake, but aspire to debate when a subject matter warrants. I think that weather or not we like it, we judge people, and I think that it is NOT a bad thing. We are forced by a great many things to judge and take sides, and we all keep a running tally of characteristics that we admire or despise in people we meet. The difference between this thread and the off hand comments made after a post that we feel the need to post a reply to, is indeed, the distinction of posting about a topic and posting about a person. Personally, I am interested in knowing what others think of me, and there were a few comments that I made, that I couldn’t find a good place for else were. In pointing out that you thought I was “better than [this]” you have implied that you look at me as being above this activity and by singling me out, above the others that you weren’t surprised in this activity. Also, you mention in a number of places that Roach is “wise beyond his years,” and this again implies (weather meant or not) that you think those without age are without wisdom. My problem isn’t even with the side implications, but the fact that both of these statements clearly state a judgment about a person, not a subject, the first of which showing up far before the onset of this thread. While I understand that in a thread of this nature, hurt feelings are almost guaranteed, but what of the old adage “Honesty is always the best policy.”

In the aftermath of the disappearance of an African American girl, a hateful letter that was based solely on race was tapped to the door of the African American Holocaust Museum here in Milwaukee. The sender signed the letter, and was tracked down. The police arrested him on a number of trumped up charges, searched his place, and held the threat of boosting his charges to “Hate Crime.” He was only guilty of delivering his unpopular, narrow minded and dimwitted opinion on a sensitive subject during a tense time. They soon realized that he was protected by the first amendment, and despite the heartache of the family of the missing child, he was released. When I heard of his release, I cheered. I do not, and will never agree one iota with this man, but the fact of the matter is despite how much I hate that he can think like that all he was guilty of was voicing his opinion. The man (I dare call the sh*t-bag) is an idiot, a bigot and not worth the chemicals of which his body is made. More importantly, even HIS freedom of speech is preserved. If my statements here in have caused anyone anguish, and offended any one, let them think of me as I think of the man who posted that letter. Better yet, post how I have offended you, and give me the chance to make amends. If there is anything that stating said opinions of people does, is it lets them improve on who they are.

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TheAnnoyedCockroach
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Icon 1 posted July 24, 2002 07:53      Profile for TheAnnoyedCockroach   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Independance and an agressive attitude may be one thing, Twink, but fanning the flames for the sake of an arguement (and calling somebody weak simply because they choose to live in a different way) shows no sign of either, nor does it show maturity.

If you wish to be recognized for the mature person you are, perhaps continuing a silly arguement for the sake of your agressive nature (and perhaps your ego) is not the best way to go about it.

While I am in no way in opposition to First amendment rights, I do believe that they come with a certain degree of responsibility. Cheezing people off simply because you can seems like an irresponsible abuse of such a right.

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Twinkle Toes
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Icon 4 posted July 24, 2002 14:04      Profile for Twinkle Toes   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Alrighty, get this in your minds, please: I did NOT start this thread just for the sake of creating arguments. True, I DO (as I admitted) sometimes like that, but that's not the reason I made this thread. I was simply curious as to what you guys might've thought of me. I can't really know how I come off on the boards, and was looking for a way I could improve myself a bit so you all could understand what I'm really like. Plus, I began this thread to let others also voice their opinons if they so chose to.

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Originally posted by Paul:
Independence and an agressive attitude may be one thing, Twink, but fanning the flames for the sake of an arguement (and calling somebody weak simply because they choose to live in a different way) shows no sign of either, nor does it show maturity.

If you wish to be recognized for the mature person you are, perhaps continuing a silly arguement for the sake of your agressive nature (and perhaps your ego) is not the best way to go about it.


Firstly, what do you think this has to do with my ego??

Second, WHAT ARGUMENT? I was never arguing with anyone. Stop jumping to conclusions when I haven't even told you the truth (eh, even if you did miss it in my longer above post).

Oki, third, if you're going to get by in the real world, you have to do some things that you would normally regret if you had it your way. But you CAN'T have it your way (as everyone knows), and I try and live by the rule that you must do whatever it takes to succeed. But the one thing I strongly believe in is HONESTY, and if this gets me in trouble and keeps me from reaching a certain goal (such as in the 'corporate world'), then so be it. People are going to hear what I have to say, whether they like it, agree with it, or not.

If anyone thinks I'm stubborn for thinking the way I do and believe it to be childish and immature, then I suggest you look at what GM has said about 'wearing his heart on his sleeve' and not being sucked into what everyone else believes and goes by. If you think that's stubborn, then you've got problems with real-life situations.

So to me, a part of maturity is being able to have the strength to survive in the real world and tell people the truth, no matter how brutally honest it may be. I used to have a bit of trouble 'exploiting' my views and opinions in class during debates and such, and it never got me anywhere. You must understand that this experience has shaped the way I act, as do most experiences others have and the lessons learned that come with them.

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SpikeSpiegel
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Icon 1 posted July 24, 2002 14:19      Profile for SpikeSpiegel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
well i think this topic has gone on long enough.. we each have different views on whether we should say how we feel about each other but the majority thinks that this whole thing was wrong. i think zorro was correct when he said that doing this type of thing is mean and that if you want to know what people think of you ask them. soo TT if you wanted to know what we thought of you, you should have just asked instead of posting your thoughts about us

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Thoughts at any time are ephemeral.
They change with every breath and every heartbeat.
What you think right now is only for right now,
So remember that other's thoughts of you
Are just as temporary as your thoughts of them.



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[QUOTE]Originally posted by GameMaster:
In pointing out that you thought I was “better than [this]” you have implied that you look at me as being above this activity and by singling me out, above the others that you weren’t surprised in this activity.

..which is exactly why I prefaced it by saying, "I'm going to stoop for a moment" because I realized it was a judgemental thing to say, but I guess that point was lost on you.

Also, you mention in a number of places that Roach is “wise beyond his years,” and this again implies (weather meant or not) that you think those without age are without wisdom.

No, it doesn't. Now if I had said, "gee, Roach, you're wise for a 16 year-old", that would have implied those without age are without wisdom. "Beyond your years" is a common phrase that means more wise or mature than the average person your age.And I did not say "compared to others your age on this forum", nor was that what I meant.

My problem isn’t even with the side implications, but the fact that both of these statements clearly state a judgment about a person, not a subject, the first of which showing up far before the onset of this thread.

Both comments to Roach were in response to posts he had made that I felt were insightful and intelligent. In any case, I didn't think complimenting someone was a problem, and comparing that to what TT did is asinine.


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Icon 1 posted July 24, 2002 16:06      Profile for snupy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:
soo TT if you wanted to know what we thought of you, you should have just asked instead of posting your thoughts about us


Exactly.


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Hello there!
I just wanted to say that I enjoy your little column post reply thing Waldo!
Though you never once mentioned me....
What is that about???
Well here goes:
Twinkle Toes: Your so QUIGGY!!! Hooray, anyone who doesn't think so can ***Jerry Springer beep*** their stupid ***Jerry Springer beep*** look at me, now I'm quiggish! I hope your having fun with your little dragon friend, Ha!
Neotatsu: Did I spell that right??? I have no idea who you are or what your like, but it's okay cause Waldo likes you so, Your special...
Mephisto: Happiness to you & Annie, I have no idea who you are and as off colour as some of your comments pertaining to myself have been, I dn't mind! I don't care! Hooray for you, happy Wedding!
Myself: Your neeto! Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!

VOTE FOR ELLE!!!

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Icon 1 posted July 24, 2002 20:59      Profile for TheAnnoyedCockroach   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You've gotten awfully riled up over this thread, haven't you? While it is hard to not admire your sometimes vicious honesty, I wonder if I'm beginning to see something else in your posts...

Curiousity drives me to this question, I suppose, but since this thread was created for one to speak their minds, I guess I can ask it here, can't I?

How in control of your life do you actually feel, Twink? It almost seems as if you're fighting for it. I have a suspicion that M's home life may have something to do with it, though.

You don't really have to answer my query; I'm in no way qualified to ask such questions. 'Tis just my curious nature.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cutie-pie:
[snip]Twinkle Toes: Your so QUIGGY!!! Hooray, anyone who doesn't think so can ***Jerry Springer beep*** their stupid ***Jerry Springer beep*** look at me, now I'm quiggish! I hope your having fun with your little dragon friend, Ha!
[snip]


Hmm, you don't mean me, do you? Perhaps you mean neotatsu ('new age dragon,' iirc)? While I might go for a quiggy girl, like TT, (and I count one quiggy lady (1) as my best friend, TT's a wee bit young for me. I just being friendly to someone who delightfully complemented me.

(1) Some people might object to the term 'lady,' say it is against the women's rights stuff, or think it is referring to someone a good bit older than myself - it is not intended to be any of the above -- 'quiggy lady' just sounds right. It is hard to find good gender descriptives these days - woman is probably the only right word, but it can sound to old for my peers whom I would like to date, lady is too 'proper' to most people and/or old (see above comments); girl might just sound young, and it borders on being too young for those whom I seek (~20); geekette has been deemed unacceptable here, geekess may have been used and/or may be unacceptable except to a small group; female is too cold and sterile; lass is an odd term to many, though it somehow strike my fancy; gal is ridiculously informal and sounds silly. Meanwhile, my footnote is bigger than my comment [get your mind out of the gutter, you.. ]


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everyone is bantering about how people think about them, and i am quite happy as being "oki"

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Hmm, you don't mean me, do you? Perhaps you mean neotatsu ('new age dragon,' iirc)?

Yeah, she was refering to me, and yes you remember correctly


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quote:
Originally posted by neotatsu:
well, I guess I'll post MY opinions of you lot now:

Spike: I just had to reiterate I dun like you

GMx(the newbie one): see spike


Thanks for mentioning me! To quote Oscar Wilde- "It's better to be talked about than not to be talked about."


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SpikeSpiegel
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Icon 1 posted July 28, 2002 08:13      Profile for SpikeSpiegel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
why is this thread being constantly brought back? even though the stuff isnt negative anymore..

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I don't know spike, other people keep bringing it up, I've just been responding after the fact...
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