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maxomai
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Icon 1 posted July 19, 2002 15:12      Profile for maxomai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Back in my day ("oh no...") being a geek meant that you knew the best way to cheat at Ultima IV, that you could hack assembly on your Apple IIe, and that you had at least one Dungeons and Dragons character going.

I can still remember when they taught undergraduate programming classes in Pascal, when Java was another word for Coffee, when the Web didn't exist, and when people like me had to waste time on USENET in places like alt.tasteless and alt.fan.star-trek.wes.crusher.die.die.die. I remember when people would take classes over again just to have an account on a particular UNIX machine. I remember when on-line gaming meant you had a character on a MUD. Hell, I even remember "state of the art" personal computers with two floppy drives.

You kids have never played Zork, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (yes, there was a game called that), or Tank War. You don't remember the Clipper Chip, the Windows 95 release (MS hired Anthony Edwards .. the guy who played Mark Greene in ER, to do an hour-long prime-time infomercial on NBC), or the 1984 commercial that announced the Mac. Someone talks about MacGuyver and you scratch your heads.

You kids are used to taking an old box (by old, I mean 400 MHz Pentium III, which is practically brand new compared to my machine), burning a Linux ISO image, and having a UNIX workstation. Back in my day, a low-end UNIX workstation cost three grand. That's not adjusted for inflation, either. Linux didn't even exist.

Sonny Bono was a second-rate 60s pop star and not a dead Congressman whose legacy was screwing the consumer. We were pissed about President Bush, but back then, he was the brains and the shadowy operatior and his VP was a total idiot, not the other way around. Metallica didn't suck. Dead Kennedys were against censorship and stupid-ass lawsuits. You could turn on the radio and hear more than eight songs all day long; and if you didn't like top 40, you could usually find a station that played music you did like. We didn't have AOLers, DMCA, CBDTPA, or Win XP. And we sure as SHIT didn't have 1337-talkers.

"Faith" was a song by George Michael (NOT Limp Biskit). Doc Martins were considered work boots and not fashion items. AIDS still scared the crap out of people because there wasn't a treatment for it. Silvester Stalone still looked passibly beefy.

Yes, you younger geeks have no perspective.

Which isn't to say everything's changed. After all, Bob Hope is still, inexplicably, alive.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to play with the new Debian release.


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quote:
Originally posted by maxomai:
I can still remember when they taught undergraduate programming classes in Pascal.

Me too! And I'm still in University (they changed that three years ago after I did my first year in Pascal, now it's all Java)!!! What about MODULO 3, anybody ever had to do any of that???


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Icon 14 posted July 19, 2002 15:41      Profile for maxomai   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by annie:
Me too! And I'm still in University (they changed that three years ago after I did my first year in Pascal, now it's all Java)!!! What about MODULO 3, anybody ever had to do any of that???


I skipped modulo 3 and went right to Oberon. I think some of my code is in the complex number modules.

(This is my 144th post. Wow, that was anticlimactic.)


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quote:
Originally posted by maxomai:
You kids have never played Zork, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (yes, there was a game called that), or Tank War. Someone talks about MacGuyver and you scratch your heads. actually, yes I have played those games...well the hitchhiker's guide game I had actually crashed itself a few seconds after booting and destroyed my system, but, well I tried. As for MacGuyver, he was the man...twould be fun to be able to do the stuff they had him do on that show..

You kids are used to taking an old box (by old, I mean 400 MHz Pentium III, which is practically brand new compared to my machine
actually my computer is a pentium 133 and sitting right next to it I have a 486DX, and here I'm only 16 years old...
Metallica didn't suck. amen to that, hehe

And we sure as SHIT didn't have 1337-talkers. hehe, I wish we still didn't have them

B]


anywho, I still see your point, I just wanted to make my comments, ciao


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quote:
Originally posted by maxomai:
Back in my day ("oh no...") being a geek meant that you knew the best way to cheat at Ultima IV, that you could hack assembly on your Apple IIe, and that you had at least one Dungeons and Dragons character going.

I can still remember when they taught undergraduate programming classes in Pascal, when Java was another word for Coffee, when the Web didn't exist, and when people like me had to waste time on USENET in places like alt.tasteless and alt.fan.star-trek.wes.crusher.die.die.die. I remember when people would take classes over again just to have an account on a particular UNIX machine. I remember when on-line gaming meant you had a character on a MUD. Hell, I even remember "state of the art" personal computers with [b]two floppy drives.

You kids have never played Zork, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (yes, there was a game called that), or Tank War. You don't remember the Clipper Chip, the Windows 95 release (MS hired Anthony Edwards .. the guy who played Mark Greene in ER, to do an hour-long prime-time infomercial on NBC), or the 1984 commercial that announced the Mac. Someone talks about MacGuyver and you scratch your heads.

You kids are used to taking an old box (by old, I mean 400 MHz Pentium III, which is practically brand new compared to my machine), burning a Linux ISO image, and having a UNIX workstation. Back in my day, a low-end UNIX workstation cost three grand. That's not adjusted for inflation, either. Linux didn't even exist.

Sonny Bono was a second-rate 60s pop star and not a dead Congressman whose legacy was screwing the consumer. We were pissed about President Bush, but back then, he was the brains and the shadowy operatior and his VP was a total idiot, not the other way around. Metallica didn't suck. Dead Kennedys were against censorship and stupid-ass lawsuits. You could turn on the radio and hear more than eight songs all day long; and if you didn't like top 40, you could usually find a station that played music you did like. We didn't have AOLers, DMCA, CBDTPA, or Win XP. And we sure as SHIT didn't have 1337-talkers.

"Faith" was a song by George Michael (NOT Limp Biskit). Doc Martins were considered work boots and not fashion items. AIDS still scared the crap out of people because there wasn't a treatment for it. Silvester Stalone still looked passibly beefy.

Yes, you younger geeks have no perspective.

Which isn't to say everything's changed. After all, Bob Hope is still, inexplicably, alive.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to play with the new Debian release.[/B]


I hear you there, and agree.

Eventually they'll get here, too.


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ITs the music that we choose lalala

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Icon 1 posted July 19, 2002 18:47      Profile for TheAnnoyedCockroach   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Heh... back in your day doesn't seem to be so long ago. I remember all of that. All of it, y'hear?

'Course then I'm lucky to remember to put on pants in the morning. Funny how my memory's selective like that.

Ah, but I'm not as old as you anyhow. I guess I'm still just a young 'un.

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Back in the day ...

There were a more unsolved problems in math. Fermat's Last Theorem hadn't been proven. The four-color theorem hadn't been proven. I drew a lot of little maps looking for a five-color counter-example.

In the periodic table, the second f-shell row was incomplete (the actinides). The last d-shell row that you see now did not even exist yet.

Computers could play chess. Or so we read in the news. It took considerable geek access to get to a computer that could actually play chess at all. Any good chess player could stomp the crap out of every computer.

Isaac Asimov cranked out bazillions of books and essays. They are still pretty damn good, and it was cool to read them and think "this guy is writing these books faster than I can read them!" It's sad to think that there won't be any more.

Robert Heinlein cranked out stacks of books about his solipsistic multiverse, which was mostly populated by an old cranky bastard named Lazarus Long and hordes of young women who wanted to have sex with him. Thank god there won't be any more of that.

"Star Trek" came in only one flavor.

Computers came in three flavors: "computer", "minicomputer", and "microcomputer". In the world of microcomputers, 640k really was enough for everyone. 640k of memory cost more than a good used car.

Music geeks had garages full of tubes, not computers full of software.

And the old farts, which I wasn't yet, were talking about how great things were when THEY were young, particularly the sex, the drugs, and the Robert Heinlein novels.


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And how could I forget ...

When I was a kid, stock markets could go DOWN as well as UP. And they spent a lot of time moving SIDEWAYS.


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quote:
Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:
ITs the music that we choose lalala



lol thats a song...

i know of most of that stuff... but i do long for days when there were no 1337-speakers.

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I'm right there with ya on everything except Doc Martins not being a fashion item. I mean, what do you think the mohawked masses wore to Dead Kennedy concerts? But then again, I grew up in California, and I think trends were different out there, maybe a little ahead of the times. I think we had computers in schools in my county before a lot of other places did, and some of them even had 16 COLOR MONITORS! Woo-hoo!
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quote:
Originally posted by Jas:

lol thats a song...



yes one that if im not mistaken is in your away messages way tooo much.. that or "days goooo by and still i think of youuuuu"

you are one to talk about speaking l337 ... you use it all the bloody time...

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I have played zork, hitch hiker's guide (i found it online, it's a java access, but yes, the old command line version,,, no mod), and tank war...


james/jas.... you really should shut up about the leet speak, whenever you aim me you are always using it...


ok, so 640k was enough? but technology progressed, and we are now doing more complicated things faster, cheaper, and easier. Is something wrong wtih inovation? I agree that at the time, 640k was enough, and in 20 years, there will be people ranting about a limit of a few hundred tera-bytes, but seriously....

let's not wage war (yet)

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quote:
Originally posted by ilovemydualg4:
james/jas.... you really should shut up about the leet speak, whenever you aim me you are always using it...

My usual reply to 31337 speak:

d00d j00r 4 pH0<k1n6 m0Ron

I had to create a macro for it on IRC. *sigh*


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quote:
Originally posted by ilovemydualg4:

james/jas.... you really should shut up about the leet speak, whenever you aim me you are always using it...



whenever he im's anybody he uses l337... james is being really hypocritical when he said that..

quote:
Originally posted by max: d00d j00r 4 pH0<k1n6 m0Ron

d00d n0 im n07


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... and we had to walk, up hill both ways, 2 miles just to log on to a computer at 3 AM ...

... and we didn't have eyeglasses in about an hour -- so you HAD to tape your glasses together ...

... and if you didn't know how to use a slide rule, why you didn't know nuthin'.

... and there was no Star Trek, only the Outer Limits, and Will Robinson ..

... and Canada, Canada was for draft dodgers ...

Kid geeks these days. I could kick their soft little heinies in a rousing game of Pong anyway.

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I hear you, man. I've been around long enough to have written Pascal code on an HP 3000 with MPE V. My undergrad programming classes were Pascal; Turbo Pascal 3.0, in fact (so fast, and so small!). I also discovered Usenet back then, and had "cue cards" for anonymous FTP sites to pull software down from. (How many people downloaded stuff from the Simtel archives when it was still wsmr-simtel20.army.mil, a TOPS-20 box at White Sands Missile Range?) Back then, our computer lab had a bunch of Sun 3/50 diskless workstations in it, along with some Mac IIx boxes (which we mostly used to play games).

I bought my first PC in my third year of college, a Jameco XT clone kit. I even spent the extra bucks for the 20 Mb hard drive (Seagate ST-225XT with a Western Digital controller card, the "classic" configuration from those days) and enough extra RAM chips to bring it up to the full 640K. That ran me $1500...and it didn't even have a modem or printer; my friends took up a collection to buy me a 2400 baud modem, and my parents later got me an Epson 24-pin dot matrix printer as a birthday gift. Once I got the modem, I could dial into the campus network, connect to the lab and make use of those Sun workstations remotely for reading news, or upload my homework using Kermit. (Ethernet in the dorms? I was lucky to get a working phone line in there sometimes...)

Later on, I subscribed to great technical magazines like BYTE, Programmer's Journal, and PC Techniques (all of which have fallen by the wayside, though byte.com is around these days). I subscribed to the original Prodigy service, and to BIX. I once spent an afternoon while waiting for a backup to complete (at the place I was working at the time, where I was a network admin) by writing some COM port routines in assembly (based on an article from the PC Techniques mag I'd just gotten a week ago), wrapping them in some C to make a teeny terminal program, and trying them out. It was good enough to let me talk to the modem, dial the Tymnet access number, and log onto BIX.

Is that "old school" enough for you?


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lol i use it because its annoying.

hehe.

dont call me james... Jas plz...

d0wn wi7h 1337-5p34k!

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jasmes ok?

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if you prefer to type the 3 extra characters go ahead

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if you people got worried when me and dualg took over a thread be scared now.. with jasmes here it will be even worse

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ph34r m3!

lol sry couldn't resist...

man i gotta rack up some posts and catch up to you guys...

btw dualg i got the mod to lower spamblock time

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Back in my day I learned to program on a PDP-8E with 16K of memory (core). It ran timeshared basic with half-a-dozen terminals. Once in a great while we could boot it into single-user mode and play Star Trek on it. Then I graduated to a PDP-11 running Unix, and never looked back (well, much).

My undergraduate assembly language class was taught on a PDP-11. You had to toggle in some of your programs on the binary front panel and demonstrate them to the TA.

I remember before IBM introduced the PC.

I also remember seeing the first Mac, and wondering why anyone would buy something with such a tiny screen and NO SLOTS.

I have (or at least had) programs stored on paper tape. And 8-inch floppy.

I built my first modem from a kit. I was too lazy to build a proper acoustic coupler for it, so I just taped the speakers to the handset. It ran at 300 baud, and I attached it to a (highly modified) Heathkit H9 terminal

I remember back when you were only allowed to have one phone in your house. The phone didn't belong to you--it belonged to the phone company. It was black, had an actual dial, and had a real bell in it. If you were lucky, you hade one that plugged in instead of one that was wired into the wall. Touch-tone wasn't avaliable in our town, but you could dial certain numbers by only dialing the last four digits.

I remember the Great Usenet Renaming.

I remember the introduction of DNS and the retirement of the hosts file.

I used the 'net before the web existed.

I remember mail addresses full of !s. Mine was ...!ucbvax!ucbernie!hack

I remember when RMS started the GNU project.

Enough old-farting. I've gotta go sling some code.


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We only ever got to Fortran 77...
and we had to do CAD by co-ordinate plotting...
Usenet was it...
Mosaic was a rumour...
There were no cd's...
Portable computers meant that it came with it's own suitcase...
New Coke sucked...
I was scared someone was going to roll me for my docs for three years straight...


alt.fan.star-trek.wes.crusher.die.die.die., right on maxomai, good memories there, let me tell you. Hell, I even did a search on Google's Usenet archives to see what was going through my little head way back when. A trip down memory lane, which I promptly said to myself, "self, just what were you thinking?"

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quote:
Originally posted by Alien Investor:

In the periodic table, the second f-shell row was incomplete (the actinides). The last d-shell row that you see now did not even exist yet.

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Dang. You just dated yourself there. I've never seen a table like that. I have seen tables that only went out to 106 (Unh), but an incomplete actinide series? When was this?


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