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QuiGonValjean
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Icon 1 posted November 03, 2002 13:14      Profile for QuiGonValjean   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey Nitrozac and Snaggy, do you think you guys could work a little harder to keep the boards cleaner? There are minors here. There's a bit of a dicussion going on in the "Annual Checkup" in the Jokes area… some are just saying that if the kids can't handle the more "mature" material, get lost. Granted, I could. I will if the boards can't get any cleaner. However, I really enjoy some of the other discussions, and I find them extremely interesting and helpful, but I can't always escape the "bad" material; you can't always foresee and avoid it. Also, look at it this way; if your members drive away the kids, you'll be losing possible income. I was planning on getting a SuperFan membership, but I currently would be a bit embarassed to be supporting something like this. Can you do something?

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Icon 8 posted November 03, 2002 14:08      Profile for Charisma   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The forums are clean! Are you kidding? The only bad words used are ass, hell, and MAYBE damn. (well, it's used now...)

Anyone who posts here is mature enough to handle your so-called "mature content." Did you know that children under 13 aren't supposed to go online without their parents' permission. (maybe you should ask YOUR parents next time) I think anyone over 13 should be able to handle it (even those people who are hopelessly innocent... and there are several on these forums). If not, they should be mature enough not to read it.

Stop whining... If YOU feel so strongly, go elsewhere.

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Icon 1 posted November 03, 2002 14:15      Profile for Charisma   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
oh, and...

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Originally posted by QuiGonValjean:
There's a bit of a dicussion going on in the "Annual Checkup" in the Jokes area…

yeah... THAT YOU STARTED! YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO CARES! I am really kind of pissed of at people like you... I am so tempted to just tell you to f**k off (and you're lucky I censored that myself).

[withheld explicitive]

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Icon 1 posted November 03, 2002 14:28      Profile for snupy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Actually, that "Annual Checkup" thread was relatively clean. [Roll Eyes]

Ever hear of free speech or censorship, dude?

I still say it can't be that difficult to create some g-rated threads that the "offenders" will not visit-the 'kiddie table', so to speak.

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Icon 1 posted November 03, 2002 15:08      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've never seen anything I would call offensive here. Maybe the F word here and there, but you hear them everyday. Some double entendres maybe, but nothing like porn or anything. Maybe you should take the advice of Sgt. Hulka from the movie Stripes and "Lighten up, Frances." [Wink] As for the joke, that's not the first one like that there. And BTW, how did you know that "beaver" was an offensive word. Hmm? [Wink]
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Icon 4 posted November 03, 2002 15:27      Profile for Cap'n Vic     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah....chill out....QuiGonValjean. you must lead a pretty sheltered existance if you find ANYTHING offense in here.....Sorry dude, maybe come back after you turn 10

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Icon 1 posted November 03, 2002 17:19      Profile for Coffee_geek   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oy, Charisma, while I agree with you, I find your response repellant. Let's just keep our cool, neh? As for the actual issue, this is nothing. If you can't hack the maturity level of GeekCulture, find somewhere else. We will not check ourselves just to appeal to a younger crowd.

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OK, I'm mostly a lurker on this forum, but I have been around for awhile and I HAVE GOT to put in my 2 cents here: CHILL OUT!!! I agree that we have to work under the assumption that we are all adults here. If you can't handle a little PG- or even (*gasp*) R-rated humor, try the Rosie O'Donnell chatroom. That "annual checkup" joke was downright funny. You probably hear more offensive stuff from the 8-year-old neighbor kid than you do on this website. Calm down and enjoy! After all, it's just SEX!!! If you're scared or confused, just shut the hell up for a second and you might learn something. Just a Catholic School Survivor's advice.
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Icon 1 posted November 04, 2002 03:53      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I regard this as wholly arrogant that one individual presumes that they have the right to impose their concept of morality on others.

Excluding incidents of palpable incitement or discrimination, we all deserve the freedom to say what we like. I would suggest that your comment, QGV, is an example of discrimination - against anyone who does not harbour your particular set of ethical priorities.

Yours is the worst crime committed on these forums, QGV - i.e., that of wishing to control people's input in an attempt to shape it to your liking.

You do not have the answers, QGV - just opinion. It's about time you recognised that every other person here has an opinion as well - one that is of equal value to yours.

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I posted my thoughts about this in another thread a few days ago (Friday night I think), so I won't repeat that here. I will add that, besides being *a bad thing* from a social standpoint, trying to restrict content of particular threads is a bad thing from a business point of view. Once you start imposing editorial constraints on the content, you start to become responsible for it, even when the words are someone else's. That is a bad position to be in.
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Icon 1 posted November 04, 2002 08:09      Profile for Lex   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am in agreement with the general consensus. If you can't swim with the big kids, get out of the pool.

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Okay, this is sad. Even Nayt didn't go this far - he just tried to bait us [Smile] . If you're not using AOL, maybe you should be, and your parents should turn on "Parental Controls" and keep you away from such bad, bad people (myself included) [Wink] . You are asking us to violate our right to free speech, and that is wrong. You definitely shouldn't be reading the threads here if you are that easily offended. While some threads are utterly 'pure,' that could change at the drop of a hat, and why shouldn't it. It's part of what makes these Forums great and interesting. I am still surprised nonetheless at the growing populace of younger readers here, but I am of the opinion that if you are a geek (and likely are if you're here), you are most likely a pretty open-minded person, and have probably become relatively informed already from other sources.
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I won't go on about censorship and what not butI would like to put my two sense in on this as far as the age issue goes. I don't know how many parents are particularly stringent as to their parents exposure but let me quote a particular army commando age somewhere between 8 and 11 this past halloween:
"F*ck you, you f*cking prick, THEY (indicating neighbors) and everybody else let us have more candy than this." and a muffled "as*hole" as him and his friends were walking on."
My point is this, I had more exposure to outright vulgarity in a year as a fifth grader myself, than if I spent time slapped down in front of an uncesored 24 hour marathon of def comedy jam. Will I use those words around here? Of course. It stands to reason that my temper will flare and I will post it among a group of my peers. My friends and family realize I am not a potty mouth and I myself can become offended at someone who uses words like that on a regular basis. But when used around understanding individuals they realize and sympathize with the reasons and look beyond the words. Try it and you'll see a lot more meaning and a lot less "adult content unsuitable for minors."

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Icon 1 posted November 04, 2002 09:44      Profile for Fizi     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, I never really considered GC to be the gathering place of the younger generation. I'm 24 so there isn't much here that I haven't heard before, but I do realize that there are a lot of younger members.

Because of this, I probably think twice before I write any variation of an expletive. I think this is more of a move to maintain a positive image to new-comers than anything.

I believe that most members of GC conciously review their posts to do the same. I have read nothing on this site or in these forums that could not be broadcast on a major TV network during "safe-harbour" hours.

As for the joke in question... I told that one to my mom and grandmother years ago... both of whom were/are very conservative church going Christians. The only thing the joke does is insinuate the occurance of adultry. If you are offended, that's your problem.

I don't think age should be an issue here. People's abilities to deal with content is relative and has very little to do with age, and I'm not sure what the target age range was in mind when the site was created, but the majority of people here ( people of all ages) seem to be very happy with how things are. You can't expect Nitrozac and Snaggy to alienate their current audience/followers to appease or accomodate an audience that may or may not come.

QGV my friend... you are the minority here. Not to say that you don't have rights, but this isn't a forum for special interest groups to impose moral values. This isn't even a democracy. Nitrozac and Snaggy have the right and privilage to impose/enforce/proclaim whatever the hell they want... they are just nice enough to listen to our requests.

If you want cleaner and more wholesome try this:
Good Clean Fun

Suggestions are necessary to keep GC the best website ever... but pick your battles wisely, because occassionally... every now and then... GC does fall under mob-rule.

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Icon 1 posted November 04, 2002 10:33      Profile for QuiGonValjean   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
I regard this as wholly arrogant that one individual presumes that they have the right to impose their concept of morality on others.
Wait a minute . . . it then seems that others are trying to impose their concept of morality on me, as well! Interesting . . .

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Stop whining... If YOU feel so strongly, go elsewhere.
I guess I will. I'm still waiting to hear from Nitrozac or Snaggy on this.

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After all, it's just SEX!!! If you're scared or confused, just shut the hell up for a second and you might learn something.
I'm not "scared or confused". I don't have anything against it . . . but there's really no reason why it has to be discussed in the form that I see too often on these boards. It's not necessary.

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. . . I had more exposure to outright vulgarity in a year as a fifth grader myself, than if I spent time slapped down in front of an uncesored 24 hour marathon of def comedy jam.
I see your point. I know kids younger than me that do it too. It still doesn't excuse it.

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I have read nothing on this site or in these forums that could not be broadcast on a major TV network during "safe-harbour" hours.
Uh, heh . . . that's not saying a whole lot. I watch little to zero TV because I can't ever find anything decent to watch!

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Not to say that you don't have rights, but this isn't a forum for special interest groups to impose moral values.
I understand. But there really is no reason why people can't cut some of the language and innuendo. And thank you to all the members who do keep it clean.

Like I said, I'm still waiting for Nitrozac and Snaggy's word on this . . .

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Icon 1 posted November 04, 2002 10:36      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by QuiGonValjean:
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I regard this as wholly arrogant that one individual presumes that they have the right to impose their concept of morality on others.
Wait a minute . . . it then seems that others are trying to impose their concept of morality on me, as well! Interesting . . .

How about an example, pal? Show me where and when.

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Icon 1 posted November 04, 2002 10:56      Profile for cheezi git     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there's been quite a lot of emotion going down while i've been away!

i think that people have to accept that the boards are governed by consensus. and just to show that we do censor the boards (just in case anyone thinks that we are the free haven of loose filth and depravity, or that we support 100% free speech), just remember the way people stomped on david t, a new member, when he came out with some miso shite.

i certainly take notice of people's opinions and moderate my posts accordingly (kiddies - and those of a sheltered disposition - believe or not i tone down my posts).

and i really don't don't think that naughty words (fuck, cunt, asshole, prick etc...) are offensive at all. they are just words that describe things that we all have. they might impoverish one's language, and prevent one from using the full range of descriptive powers of the wonderful english language, but they can be pithy and funny in appropriate circumstances, and i wouldn't excise them from the dictionary for any reason at all.

i think a much more relevant thing to ponder, is the understanding and compassion that geeksters show on these boards. that can't (forgetting about false posts and trolls for the moment) be faked, and surely is worth so much more than merely a *clean* mouth.

i would say to QGV: si ca te derange, d'entendre de gros mots, eh ben con, va chercher des bonbons ailleurs!

nuff said. i can now go back to my normal state of bad puns, and poor inuendoes

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Icon 1 posted November 04, 2002 12:39      Profile for DoctorWho     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
QGV I think that you should be informed of the fact that forum members have the right to excercise freedom of speech. As such we have the right to:

express an opinion
tell a joke
spread news
talk about personal matters
etc...

And no matter how offensive it may be to someone else it is usually allowable. The only thing I have ever heard of Snaggy censoring is SPAM {which is understandable since it is the most heinous thing on the Internet, and it is advertising that the advertiser did not pay for}.

They are real people who wrote these posts, and as such they may say something you don't like or agree with. This is reality, you can either deal with it, or you can go someplace else. If I don't like a particular thread, I just don't visit it anymore. Please try to show a little maturity and follow this example.

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Icon 1 posted November 04, 2002 13:19      Profile for Charisma   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by Coffee_geek:
Oy, Charisma, while I agree with you, I find your response repellant. Let's just keep our cool, neh?

Repellant? Yes... well I supose it was a bit over the top... even considering that there IS one thing I hate more than spam on the internet. [Mad]

I've got my cool, neh!

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Check it out y'all

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My personal opinion on this matter is that N&S run one of the cleanest and most friendly forums on the internet.

Simply reading the upbeat tone of most of the regulars in here can really be an upper!

Go N&S! Yay, team!

On occasion, there are some unhappy campers in here, QuiGonValjean, but they don't stay too long. I hope you cheer up soon. You seem peevish.

Teething problems?

Overall the dirty talk is less in here than what I hear on a public bus. I don't think the moderators can do a much better job. Plus, if they tried I think it would end up being an excercise in subjective futility.

Me? I tend to ignore most of the naughty stuff. No skin off my nose.

Maybe you should consider putting the folks you consider offensive on your "ignore" list? That's what big people do.

All things considered, I don't believe there is much in here that exceeds Drew Barrymore's "breath" comment in the PG-rated movie "E.T. the Extra Terrestrial."

Disney has a very nice website. And I mean "nice" in the nicest manner. I'm sure "Barney" and "Davey and Goliath" might have some fun stuff for you, too.

Hey! Have you found Waldo, yet? That's fun for a wee tyke like yourself!

Oh, one more thing; and this is coming from a grandfather and a Sunday School teacher, "Is your homework done? Don't the leaves need raking?" "I know it's 4:00 PM, but really, aren't you up past your bedtime?" "How's that med school application coming along?" "What, no call from MIT, yet?"

Ever notice how adults will say that stuff when a child starst wandering over "the line?"

Just remember, some things are better suited for adults: The Presidency of the United States, voting, combat, being responsible for a contract, etc. Before that, there's a "training wheels" period, where grown ups prepare children for life and check-in to see if a child is ready: riding the "big" rides at the amusement park, going potty "all by yourself," PG movies, jr. high dances, entering into grown-up conversations, respecting grown ups, drivers license, catechism, bar-mitzvah, Prom Night, staying up late to watch "King Kong," reading "Catcher in the Rye" without threatenting to burn all the books in it, etc.; you're familiar with those rites of passage aren't you?

I ask this question, because I think the problem is one you identified yourself, without knowing it. You see, the problem may be with you lacking the maturity on how to handle a situation like the one you have identified.

Pity, that all public intercourse should be limited to the maturity and understanding level of children who can't handle themselves in public.

Finally, one last suggestion for your parents. If they believe it is my responsibility, along with that of the other adults in this forum, to babysit you, blow your nose and change your diapers, then they should readily be willing to pay my $250/hr. rate. It's what everyone else who tells me what to write pays me.

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Cap'n Vic

Thank you for proving that he is not a troll. He may be young and sheltered, but he is definately not a troll. As such I would think, as mature adults, that we should show tolerance toward him. After all as geeks we should be the most tolerant of people, it is more logical than the alternative.

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quote:
Originally posted by cheezi git:


...and i really don't don't think that naughty words (fuck, cunt, asshole, prick etc...) are offensive at all. for any reason at all.


I have to disagree with you for once here-one of those words I find very offensive(and you know there isn't much I find offensive) and would never use it or associate with anyone who uses it on a regular basis. But that's just me. [Wink]

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>>Wait a minute . . . it then seems that others are trying to impose their concept of morality on me, as well! Interesting . . .

That would be true if we told you to go out and have sex, or if we asked you to only post "dirty" stuff. You can post paragraphs about kittens and puppies, sugar and spice and everything nice for all I care-just don't tell me what to write. Do you go to every website and ask them to only show you things that you deem unoffensive? Do you write the editors of your local paper and ask them to censor the news for you? How nice it must be to live in your little world.

If you read the "who's a virgin" thread you'll see that even those of us with dirty minds and a healthy sex drive respect individuals for whom sex is a moral issue and not a priority.

Besides that, he fucking warned you that it was a dirty joke, so if you really are such a"moral" person, you wouldn't have read it in the first place!

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