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Snaggy

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Icon 5 posted August 24, 2002 21:56      Profile for Snaggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So all you lucky Mac users who picked up Jaguar, what do you think? You like? You don't like?

Tell me, please, since I don't have it, and want to wallow in my misery. [Happytears]

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I haven't installed it yet so I can't say anything about how it runs.

But I don't like that it doesn't come with the latest OS9 install disc. [Razz]

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Well, I will say that I didn't buy the software at the store because they wouldn't honor Apple's educational pricing (which is $50 cheaper). On the whole, I would say that the roll out was rather disappointing. The swak wasn't all that great (not getting a t-shirt unless I bought the OS or a mac was bogus), the demo was mediocre and targeted towards switching people (preaching to the choir) and the fact that they just added in the opportunity to win an eMac at the last second... eek

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Icon 14 posted August 25, 2002 05:33      Profile for Lex   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So far, so good! Jaguarific.

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hmmm it replaced my copy of internet explorer... i hacked it into using google... me mad at that

it doesnt use my 20$tablet, me mad at that too
otherwise me happy

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Icon 1 posted August 25, 2002 06:53      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Likes: The Address Book App is better, Mail is getting better, but I think I'll still stick with Entourage, the swirling beach ball, the swirling progress bars, iChat, Backup update is better, I like the search function in the toolbar, better anti-aliasing on my LCD, like the way a window slides out when you click on a icon, spring-loaded folders, more system preferences, new sytem sounds (I like glass).
Dislikes: Sherlock will only work if you're connected to the internet, Help Viewer crashes, although you can now customize installation, you can't customize installation of apps-I don't need iMovie or IPhoto-I don't have cameras, although the startup is faster once you get past the opening screen with the apple, it seems to take forever to get to it. IE started hanging up for some reason, I had to run DiscWarrior and TechTool to fix some stuff that had been messed up by the installation.
Final Opinion:I still have to use it some more before I get a real opinion of it. But I suspect we'll see an update within the next week or so that will take care of the little bugs.

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very,very...spiffy!

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Icon 4 posted August 25, 2002 07:59      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
After playing around a bit, I found that Sherlock no longer is used to index volumes, that's why you need to be connected to the internet-it's only used to search the web now. Indexing is under Get Info, and you no longer get "can't index volume" it indexes everything on your hard drive. Thumbs up to that. Still having problems with IE though.
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ok,I take that back.I'm having major trouble with internet explorer.Pretty soon my pc's going to know what a hammer feels like!Do you know how long I had to wait for this page to open?I had to continuously refresh the page cause I would get a gateway timeout.Very frustrating!!!!hmmm...wonder how long it's gonna take to post this [Mad]

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i dunno yet - i got it, but can't load it on my 8100

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YET!!!

i *will* find a way, cuz i sure as heck aint spending any of my hard-earned money on Mac hardware!

(anyone wanna give me an iMac? [Wink] )

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quote:
Originally posted by Lady_Luvalot:
ok,I take that back.I'm having major trouble with internet explorer.Pretty soon my pc's going to know what a hammer feels like!Do you know how long I had to wait for this page to open?I had to continuously refresh the page cause I would get a gateway timeout.Very frustrating!!!!hmmm...wonder how long it's gonna take to post this [Mad]

I didn't even wait that long, I forced quit. I downloaded iCab, which works pretty well, but it has problems with homepage at .mac, and seems kinda slow. There better be some kind of update for IE soon. [Mad]
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First thing I did delete IE and made omniweb default browser [Wink]
Jaguar is working great as of now for me I was hoping it would be a bit faster Ibook 500 has something to do with it as well I assume.
I can't grasp the firewall setup I guess there is an easy way and I'm doing it the windows way like always [Confused]
Ichat is really nice now I have to find more friends online I guess.
By the way what is a easy (and I mean really easy) to wright programs like small ones JAVA,C++,BASIC,COCOA?

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quote:
Originally posted by Germanguy:

By the way what is a easy (and I mean really easy) to wright programs like small ones JAVA,C++,BASIC,COCOA?

Silly man,lol.You don't get easy...To me they're all really complex.

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Silly man,lol.You don't get easy...To me they're all really complex.[/QB][/QUOTE]

It can't be that hard I hope.
I was programming in assembler on my C64 15 years ago things can't be that much different today [Confused]

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I heartily recommend Code Warrior Learning Edition if you've been programming before and want to get into Mac coding (or want to learn to program in C, C++ or Java)

Codewarrior Learning Edition

I used it years ago to get back into Mac programming after working on different platforms.

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I didnt notice much of a difference in it, besides the lack of OS 9 cd and the different Box art

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I like it, or maybe its just the new look. [Razz]

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gonna work on this over the weekend [Big Grin]

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I've taken a tentative step with 10.2. I installed it on my notebook, but not on my main computer, the dual G4. So far I like it, but I haven't tried many the new features.

There are two reasons for keeping the G4 at 10.1.5: software incompatibilities and the fact that I want to do a completely clean install. The former requires time for other companies to update their products for 10.2, the latter a whole lot of my time plus money for a firewire backup device.

I'm pleasantly suprised at how well my little iBook 500 is handling the switch from 9 to X, but I haven't given it much of a workout yet.

Mail is much improved and will be my client of choice when I upgade the big machine. The little Finder interface improvements like spring loaded folders make life easier, but what I really want is to be able to sort column view the way you can with list view. Being stuck with alphabetical order just doesn't cut it. Maybe we'll get that in 10.3.

I am having a strange problem though. My iBook travels with me from home (AirPort wireless) to work (10baseT) and back again. It automatically detects its location and I never have trouble checking my email or surfing the web when I fire it up. However, if I leave it on overnight I am sometimes unable to wake it up. It's so dead that I would consider it off except for the fact that the bottom of the case is still slightly warm to the touch. I suspect networking because that's what always locked up Macs in the old days, but OS X is Unix based and therefore shouldn't be inheriting problems from MacOS 8.

I'll post a new thread if the problem persists or I discover what's causing it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bregalad:
..the latter a whole lot of my time plus money for a firewire backup device.

Have you considered using your iBook as a firewire backup device? Just get a standard FW cable, plug them together, and then boot up the laptop while holding the 'T' key. Voila! Instant firewire drive. Of course, iBook 500s didn't usually have much space on them, as I recall. If it isn't enough... got a SuperDrive? Or perhaps you or someone you know has a spare IDE drive?

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Well, the big furry thing at my local MacStation was really nice. It didn't eat anyone or anything. Just paced around and looked really cute, in an "I can eat you" kind of way.

As for the OS, I had to shell out for MS Office v.X for school (thank you edu pricing!!), so that bumped Jaguar a little farther down the road than I would like. But soon. I'm really looking forward to the new mail client. Browsers seem to be the headache of the day. Anyone running Mozilla on Jaguar?

...waiting impatiently...

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quote:
Originally posted by daveyt:
Well, the big furry thing at my local MacStation was really nice...
Anyone running Mozilla on Jaguar?
...waiting impatiently...

I was hoping to get there to see the big cat, but I had a softball tournament that day. Did I see that they moved the store from Pacific Boulevard to Homer Street?

I'll let you know about Mozilla on Jaguar once I've had a chance to give it a workout.

Lex, my iBook came with a 10GB drive and it's mostly full with 10.2, 9.2.2 and a whole lot of stuff for work. I didn't really want to spend a lot of money right now, but I can get a brand new 80GB hard drive for less than the price of MacOS X so it won't be too bad.

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quote:
Originally posted by tafkact:
gonna work on this over the weekend [Big Grin]

Might take longer than a weekend... the thing you linked to talks about maybe supporting older PCI Mac's in due course, and your 8100 isn't even PCI. Even if you could get OS X to run it'd probably be slower than swimming in treacle... but I guess you'd be happy that your prejudices had been confirmed [Wink]
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I don't think anybody is going to get OSX, any version working on an 8100.

I have 10.1.5 running on a Mach 5 300 8600 thanks to an installer patch from Other World Computing. It works, but it's slow. I've transferred some photos into iPhoto, but that's really slow.

As for starting up classic you can start it up, commit a felony, go through the trial, serve sentence and probation, and it will be just about ready when you are. On an 8100? the writer of the installer patch mentions that he doubts anybody will ever get OSX to work.

I like OSX for editing audio on PeakDV, rendering audio wave forms is buku fast with PeakDV on OSX.

For those of you tiring of IE on OSX, try Netscape .4. Very fast, like Mozilla, great looking interface, some nice features like tab windows and a bookmark filing feature.

Why, I'm soaking my hands in it now!

That Madge, she's a Mac Genius, too. Who knew?

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Last night I backed up my OSX and User partition with Carbon Copy Cloner to an external firewire drive, and went for the upgrade install of 10.2. Everything worked as it should, though there was no option to forget about the various language components that I won't be needing. I am pleased with it on the whole, but I am not having any dramatic speed increase. This is on a TiBook 800, so it may be that there is not so much to gain given that this beast is fairly fast already. I do note that menu items with many subfolders display more quickly (I can't use Classic Menu with 10.2, but I quickly put in Fruit Menu instead and now have all my disks and folders represented in the Apple menu again). Sherlock doesn't work except when connected to the internet? So what - I'm much happier with the command-F tool for finding files locally, as Sherlock has been horribly slow in it's OSX iterations. I have other means for using dictionaries and looking up flight times, so Sherlock's time in my dock may be limited. I'm delighted with the time to launch Classic - it's faster than Netscape Communicator was in OS9. Sadly I still have to use Classic for a custom made Omnis database in the office. Best of all, I have my printer back. So many stories lately of people finding broken drivers, but here's some good news. I was a bit proud of myself for using an Axis print server and an AppleTalk driver to have an Epson 740 on my home network for colour printing as well as the GCC laser printer. It worked wonderfully in OS9, and would work in Classic too, though OSX couldn't see it. With 10.2 it shows up nicely in the Add Printer dialog, under Epson AppleTalk! Yay!!
So far, I'd say it's all gain, especially as I don't have to buy a new printer! Go for it, Snaggy.

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