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Kt Smith
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Icon 11 posted October 22, 2003 00:28      Profile for Kt Smith     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
ARGH!!! Today I had to go out of my school and to another school for this survey thing. I walked into the office of the school and was shocked to see that the office's computer was an iMac. This made me doubt the efficiency of the school, but I figured that the office computer really doesn't play a HUGE part of a school.

Anyway... we(me and two friends) ventured into the school, headed for the computer room. I walking into the "computer" room and was shocked to see Blue iMac computers everywhere!!! I screamed and seached for an exit but all the doors had been locked and I found out I would have to spend the rest of my life in that room...

Ok, the stories is turning un-true, but there was a computer room full of blue iMacs. I can't imagine going to a school which used those "computers". I'm not saying my school's perfect. Stupid updating of the system has slowed down all the computers and some day you can't even acess the internet!

[rocking back and forwards on chair]
...only 3 years to go.... only three years to go
[/rocking back and forwards on chair]

(I am sorry at the length of this post. but I needed to vent. Venting is now finished.)

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Um, not wishing to start anything but...

Combine all those iMacs with a G4 tower server running Macintosh Management Server and you've got a network I wish I had at work... I've done some work for a school near me and they have about forty iMacs and forty PC's ... if I want to change a setting on the PC's I have to either work out some method of letting the PC logon script run with Admin rights and fudging something in batch files or vbscripts to hack the registry or something whereas on the iMacs I go to the Management iMac, make the change there, list all the iMacs on the LAN and click the relevent area for change and then select "Change settings to be like this computer" and it's done. I can then select all the iMacs on the LAN again and click "Restart" and the room next door is alive with the sounds of forty iMacs going "Boing" [Smile]

I tell you, if the Windows 2000 network I manage was that easy I'd be a happy camper and have a lot more hair! [Wink]

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Icon 1 posted October 22, 2003 03:48      Profile for Tut-an-Geek   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
um so what's wrong with a school hvaing these imacs?
Our school has a ton of old compaqs (266mhz) running xp pro

I'm not even goign to talk about network security

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Icon 1 posted October 22, 2003 05:45      Profile for greycat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Whiners. When I was a lad, we didn't have Internet access in our high schools. We had a few Apple // machines and IBM PCs. (Real IBM PCs. XTs, I think, or possibly ATs.) I think I saw a Macintosh once in a library. NOBODY outside of major universities and government agencies had access to the Internet at that point.

We had these things called "books". Maybe you've heard of them? They're dead trees sliced thin with ink written on them, then glued together on one edge.

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quote:
Originally posted by greycat:
Whiners. When I was a lad, we didn't have Internet access in our high schools. We had a few Apple // machines and IBM PCs. (Real IBM PCs. XTs, I think, or possibly ATs.) I think I saw a Macintosh once in a library. NOBODY outside of major universities and government agencies had access to the Internet at that point.

We had these things called "books". Maybe you've heard of them? They're dead trees sliced thin with ink written on them, then glued together on one edge.

...an we were working down t'pit before we were even born. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by greycat:
Whiners. When I was a lad, we didn't have Internet access in our high schools. We had a few Apple // machines and IBM PCs. (Real IBM PCs. XTs, I think, or possibly ATs.) I think I saw a Macintosh once in a library. NOBODY outside of major universities and government agencies had access to the Internet at that point.

We had these things called "books". Maybe you've heard of them? They're dead trees sliced thin with ink written on them, then glued together on one edge.

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When I were a lad, we never 'ad computers in school at all.
Our teacher used to get us to write our programs out on little bits o' cardboard, and that night, 'ed drive t' local university an' feed 'em through a card reader, and the next week we'd get t' results back, fix t' syntax errors, then they'd go back t' university.......
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Icon 1 posted October 22, 2003 16:11      Profile for Orpheus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My sympathies to Kt Smith, I was once forced to venture into the iMac lab the silly arts/hum people use... *shudders at the memory* Give me a real LAN, a room full of dual boot Win2KPro/RH8.0 computers any day. Granted the Win2K partition is a bit underused but its always there for us to slap Halflife/UT2K3/etc. on and uhh "test the network"

Granted, the G5's are powerful, and iBooks are pretty and easy to use... but there's nothing they can do that my computer can't that's worth buying into an even more complete and controlling monopoly. And, most importantly, for me this is the best solution.

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I wake up in the middle of the night sweating bullets thinking about Commodore PET's and that eerie green glow...
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Icon 1 posted October 22, 2003 20:31      Profile for quantumfluff     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Honest truth, back in high school we had a few of these CARDIACs.
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Icon 10 posted October 23, 2003 14:59      Profile for WinterSolstice     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Maybe it's just me, but isn't this like the second worst place to bitch about macs? Have you read the comic? I mean seriously!!

I think this is just a poor attempt at starting a flame war.

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That's ok, our local school district went all Windows and is now finding that they are in serious trouble. Amazing. 5 techs ran the Macs, but they are hiring tons more to support the new Windows boxes. Oh, and they aren't even up most of the time [Smile]

Real schools use Macs.

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Icon 1 posted October 23, 2003 15:38      Profile for XnavxeMiyyep     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My high school just got new PC's this summer, and 3 of them broke and had to be replaced before the school year even started.
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Icon 1 posted October 23, 2003 15:50      Profile for Zwilnik   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
and here's yet another thing those Macs can do that the PC's can't do... (sorry, I have blatentselfplugitis)

http://www.toysight.com

[Wink]

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Kt Smith & Orpheus

Little Earthlings we at GC pity you. One day if you are fortunate (and polite to us) we may induct you into The Way of Mac. Until then try not to feel too sorry for yourselves, trapped as you are in the Lower Circles of Geekdom.

Traa laa laa...

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OH MY, In my day forty years ago, the geeks had sliderules, and the really geeky ones had two sided sliderules and they even knew how log & trig tables worked and we could only get four place accuracy that way, but hey we got a man to circle the earth.

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I use whatever's available. My biggest beef is that in this lab, those of us who aren't structure dudes get shafted wrt to computing. NONE of our fast computers have the imaging software I need to analyze data, and this old Mac is too decrepit to do it with any sort of effeciancy, so I use the machine in the common room, and hope no one needs to use it while I'm quantitating my data. The worst part is drawing the boxes. After that, it's all about Excel and Kaleidagraph.

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Icon 1 posted October 23, 2003 18:42      Profile for Sinn     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by Zwilnik:
and here's yet another thing those Macs can do that the PC's can't do... (sorry, I have blatentselfplugitis)

http://www.toysight.com

[Wink]

Ummm... Actually, yes they can: http://www.ijen-games.com/

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
OH MY, In my day forty years ago, the geeks had sliderules, and the really geeky ones had two sided sliderules and they even knew how log & trig tables worked and we could only get four place accuracy that way, but hey we got a man to circle the earth.

Off topic, I know, but you know what really annoys me? Restrictions on selling "supercomputers" to anyone on the "bad countries" list, because they might use them to develop nuclear weapons.

The A-bomb was developed in the mid 1940's, the H bomb a few years later. There's more computing power in my mobile phone than there was in the entire world back then. If anyone wants to build nukes, it won't be lack of computer power that will stop them.

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Thank you, I feel much better now. Just go back to what you were doing.

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Icon 1 posted October 24, 2003 05:43      Profile for greycat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Supercomputers have nothing to do with making nuclear weaponry. It's all about cryptography (The Other White Munition).
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Of course, if you want to build a supercomputer these days, you just get a bunch of unsuper computers and hook them together. Or write a Windows virus to harness the collective idle time of the masses who wouldn't know it was being used.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by greycat:
Whiners. When I was a lad, we didn't have Internet access in our high schools. We had a few Apple // machines and IBM PCs. (Real IBM PCs. XTs, I think, or possibly ATs.) I think I saw a Macintosh once in a library. NOBODY outside of major universities and government agencies had access to the Internet at that point.


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We had IBM PC JRS (The only x86 PC that
could load programs from casette tapes and
video game-like cartridges). and one COCO in
our school. There was also a Ditto
machine (remember those?) machine in the
IBM room. It was fun hearing that thing
loudly go "Klank Klank!" as it was copying
worksheets from a carbon-paper like "master".

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ROFLMAO I never imagined the day when anyone would associate Linux with the "Lower Circles of Geekdom" there's something just not right here. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know I'm not) but OS X is built on a Unix distro, why not Linux? because then they'd have to GPL the OS and they're not gonna do that because Apple is a more restrictive monopoly than M$... though the way things are going they're catching up.

... sorry to propogate the flame war but that was just too much.

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As I recall...
OS X is built on the Darwin OS (apple's developmtn), and has the mach core... Parts of some BSD are throughout - NetBSD? And nextstep is littered throughout too.
It is definitely NOT linux.

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I hate to break it to you but Darwin the Open Source Core of OS X does include the GPL License. But Quartz Etreme the graphic engine OS X uses doesn't. So the command line OS is FREE but you gotta pay for the OS and the Mac to get the Aqua interface.

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Highly unlikely. Darwin, the core of OS X, is based on FreeBSD, and would therefore be under the BSD license, which actually has fewer restrictions than the GPL (it can even be put in a commericial closed source product, so long as the license is mentioned [and possibly the authorship, but the terms are really quite liberal]). There are definitely instances of GPL'd code included in OS X (like gcc and bash, which I truly hope will be used instead of tcsh in Panther [I don't know if that was confirmed - m4?]), but the core is BSD, and under the BSD license, and the APSL (Apple Public Source License). This page has the source.

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Well there is at least a version of darwin the is under GPL http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ . So if I was wrong I'm sorry but it was not off by much.

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