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Tech Angel
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Icon 1 posted June 07, 2003 11:24      Profile for Tech Angel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Given the community of Mac aficionados here, I'd like to know if others can identify with these kinds of experiences in their lives: gravitating toward a superior product which is only preferred by the minority, and being frustrated with the consequences.

We prefer the Mac OS vs. Windows because it is superior, but the larger population uses Windows, leaving us with the better OS but in the minority. To hold to our preference, we put up with frequent "only available for PCs" kind of things. I notice that throughout my life I've made the same choice with other things:

- Drawn to Hewlett-Packard's scientific calculators which use RPN (Reverse Polish Notation) while "everyone else" used calculators with algebraic notation (even though the latter was consistently proven to be less efficient and more ambiguous).

- Chose Betamax as the best choice for videotapes when they first came in vogue, only to have VHS dominate the market.

- Prefer Sony Clie's over other Palm OS-based PDAs because of their innovative and refined design and quality, but find myself left out on various peripherals because most third-party add-ons are only available for those made by Palm, Inc. (One consolation, though: I prefer the more prevalent Palm OS PDAs vs. those running PocketPC.)

- I'll take a flame-broiled Burger King Whopper over a fried Big Mac (or any other McDonald's burger) any day based on taste, but clearly BK is in the minority, whereas McD's can be found almost anywhere.

Do you also find yourself drawn to products and such which are (a) better or more refined, but (b) in the minority?

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Most other Apple Mac users might do unspeakable things to you in out of the way places by mentioning the Mac / Betamax thing But...

I had Betamax ! That extra bit of video signal bandwidth sold it for me and there seemed to me that there were more betamaxes about in the old days when I was shopping for a VCR.

Still have it to play my old tapes. I also make use of old macs too.

BK outlets are common in London and yes they do taste and look nicer than McDonalds.

Also have a lot of stuff on Laserdisc but did not go for CED , nor CDi when that came out as the next best thing...I try to select my use of technology carefully.

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Icon 1 posted June 07, 2003 12:11            Edit/Delete Post 
Tech Angel:
One the one hand, I'm very familiar with that frustration, but on the other, from probably much fewer situations. Certainly being a Mac user one; as for PDAs - my choice was to go with a Psion (running EPOC r5) - not even a Palm clone.

I do seem to go for anything minority, though, and not necessarily because it's even better - just because, well, I don't know.

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Icon 1 posted June 07, 2003 12:21      Profile for Tech Angel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by uilleann:
...as for PDAs - my choice was to go with a Psion (running EPOC r5) - not even a Palm clone.

Ah! You just reminded me -- the Psion Revo was actually was my first choice for PDA years ago, which I shortly abandoned in favor of the Palms because EPOC is not nearly as popular in the US as in Europe. But I really do like them better (especially the form factor). If they had a color or at least backlit screen, I'd probably still be using it.
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Icon 1 posted June 07, 2003 12:22            Edit/Delete Post 
LaserDiscs here too. Bought a Sega Genesis over a nintendo (though now I am playing on Nintendo systems, which is in the minority this time around). Handspring over Palm. Vegetarian (that was before I was into Macs or even knew who Steve Jobs was). Coke over Pepsi. Only buy the widescreen version of movies. Beer you can't see through or imported lagers, no Bud-lite here thank you. Music choices not in the top 100 generally. Guess I too stay away from the majority of what is "IN" or "trendy" for the most part. But when I did eat meat it was McDonalds over BK and BK over Wendys, so I dunno.
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Ha, I'm almost the exact opposite of you, evilbibo. Pepsi over coke (Dr Pepper and Sunkist over all). Wendy's to BK to McD's. Nintendo over Sega (although Dragon Force on Saturn is one of the best games ever (I kept my Saturn solely for that game)).

And I'll never buy another Sony product the rest of my life. In the last two years, the Sony products I have had go bad in my house:
2 PS2s.
2 DVD players.
1 Stereo (the CD player skips).
1 Portable CD player.
1 23-in TV (the cable jack no longer works).

Actually, come to think of it, the only properly working sony products in this house are the original Playstation, the replacement's replacement of the PS2 and the brand new 36-in flatscreen (which I didn't pick out, apparently my roommates haven't picked up on the new Sony quality yet). Of course, the new flatscreen makes 2 degaussing-like sounds when we turn it on. I have a feeling it's not supposed to do that.

As to doing thing in the minority, I much prefer building my own PCs to buying prebuilt. I bought my first PC in 95 (well, actually, my parents bought it for me); and I've built every system since then. That is definitelynot in the majority.

-I prefer performing minor maintenance on my car, rather than taking it to a shop.

-I prefer sleeping during the day [Big Grin] .

-AMD over Intel (although my current power PC is a P4, I intend to get a new XP proc soon).

-Iron Maiden, KMFDM, The Misfits and the Vandals over Britney Spears.

-Still haven't decided between hard-back vs softback books.

-Computer pr0n over hard copy. I'm not sure which is in the majority, now.

-Frogs over mammalian pets.

-T-Shirt Hell over the Crap.

I'm sure I'll think of some more later.

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BK always make me feel sick, so I don't know why i still eat there on occasion; I think their fries are better than from the golden arches....
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Quoting Tech Angel:
Ah! You just reminded me -- the Psion Revo was actually was my first choice for PDA years ago...
And mine, and though I really wanted one, I never got one. When I finally made the purchase, I got a Revo Plus (the 16 Mb model) - I've had it over a year now. I'm not sure that the software was ever out there for Psions like there is for the Palm - after all, you get it all from the Internet, and there's not really that much to choose from for EPOC, it feels like. Even the Mac connect system sucks, although I still find it really cute to connect it to the Mac and move files over - I love it [Smile]

But then, I can at least be content with such features as a pre-emptively multitasked OS, MDI, and a proper filing system - Palm OS is popular, but I want something a little more sophisticated.

I have no use for colour whatsoever (total waste of battery power) except for "peer status value" (bleh), but a nice backlit screen would be nice. Really, though, I'd like a faster refresh rate - it's very hard to play action games on this due to excessive screen blur (tho I can play cards just fine [Smile] .

It just comes down to availability in terms of combinations - there are lot of variables involved in choosing a palmtop, and I'm someone for whom there is no model to closely fit my preferences - the Revo is the nearest there is, and I do like it.

And if I end up in the minority as the result, then so be it.

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Burger King vs McDonalds - The Golden Arches. I always get chicken tenders at BK and fillet of fish at McD's, so the deciding factor would have to be the fries. Allan is the only person I've ever heard say he likes BK's fries better.

Mac OS vs Windows - This is iffy. Oh yes, Shape loaths Windows with zeal. That said, I've never owned a Mac. I do not see myself using anything other than a PC, mainly because the combination of Windows and Linux works great (well, good enough. Would be great if Windows actually worked). Not to mention only having to buy hardware for one PC (the old stuff gets put into the Linux box) is a nifty perk. So... strictly looking at the OS itself, ignoring all outside circumstances, I would have to say (based on my limited experience with Macs) that Mac OS is better than Windows.

RPN vs Standard - I've never done any really complex calculations on an RPN (though I've got one less than six inches from my hand at the moment) so I can't really judge. One thing that I would need to consider is that I've never seen an RPN calculator that can graph equations, but I'm sure they make one.

VHS vs that other thingy *grin* - People, I'm too young for that. I've never even seen a Betamax player.

PDAs - I've only had one PDA, a hand-me-down from my father. Palm V, I think.

Sega vs Nintindo - Back in the day, I had a Genesis. I did eventually get a SNES, but that was maybe eight months before the N64 came out. As far as PSX vs N64, I always thought they were equally good, with the PSX having the better single-player games and the N64 being a favorite for multiplayer. Now I like the PS2, simply because out of the three (PS2, GCN, and Microsoft Abomination (completely unbiased analysis, btw)), it has the best selection of games. With a few exceptions (Super Smash Bros. Melee, for example), every good game for the GCN or XBox has also come out on the PS2.

Pepsi vs Coke - Coke all the way, now that I've branded Mountain Dew as Evil (waaaaay too much like liquid crack).

Britney vs Scary Bands - My musical tastes cover rock pretty well, focusing on metal, but also making occasional forays into goth (Cruxshadows, the album "Music From the Succubus Club") and industrial (NIN and a bit of KMFDM).

Hardcover vs paperback - Paperback. Hardcovers are more expensive and don't weather my backpack as well.

Computer pr0n vs old-school porn - Computer pr0n's a lot easier to store...

Frogs vs mammalian pets - Mammals. Though it's a dream of mine to have a semi-domesticated raven as a "pet."

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Being in the minority isn't the worst thing. Just think of it as Sturgeon's Law in action.
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quote:
Originally posted by Tech Angel:

- Prefer Sony Clie's over other Palm OS-based PDAs because of their innovative and refined design and quality, but find myself left out on various peripherals because most third-party add-ons are only available for those made by Palm, Inc. (One consolation, though: I prefer the more prevalent Palm OS PDAs vs. those running PocketPC.)

Bad generalization there. My brand-new Clie PEG-T665C had the most awful row of buttons (calc/address/scroll/notes/tasks) - tiny and difficult to press. My antique Palm IIIx, on the other hand, has nice big, easy-to-press buttons.

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- I'll take a flame-broiled Burger King Whopper over a fried Big Mac (or any other McDonald's burger) any day based on taste, but clearly BK is in the minority, whereas McD's can be found almost anywhere.

You're comparing two giant fast-food chains. Where's the difference, exactly?
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Whichever one you live closer to [Big Grin] .

Or whichever one gave you food poisoning most recently. [Big Grin]

And don't even ask about roach eggs and Taco Bell. . . [blush]

Hey, that smiley is called blush, but it looks to me like a vomiting graemlin. Anyone else concur?

Oooh, ooh, another one! GC graemlins vs. AIM smileys! No contest, there.

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slurpy: I'm not sure I have any idea what AIM smileys look like - I turn the stupid things off :) Y!M smileys kinda suck, though - I guess they can't be turned off (why else would I still see them?)

Text smileys > graphical smileys :)

Then again, graphical ones do have their benefits, for cute animations like Cap'n Vic's =P Goodness only knows what he fed that thing...

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Icon 1 posted June 09, 2003 16:47      Profile for csk     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Great topic!

I've got a couple

PNG vs (GIF|JPG)

Ogg Vorbis vs MP3

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PNG! Oggs! FLAC!

ASCII text files... [Smile]

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Fast-food? Neither, I have problems with both, if I have to I go to Wendys.

Computers? Macs, I would use a *N*X OS, but I like the ease of use on Macs for every day use.

PDAs? I don't have any but my friends Newton is sweet.

BETAMAX vs. VHS, to young to have ever seen a BETAMAX, so no opinion.

Current Game Console? Got a GameCube last week, very nice, I picked it due to price and the games I wanted for it.

Pets? I'll take a cat.

Pepsi vs. Coke? I'll take a root beer. A & W to be exact. but if thats not avalible, a Vanilla Coke is fine too.

AMD vs. Intel, well right now my AMD PC is acting up, so Intel is looking good. But then again, it is a PC...

Music? What ever isn't "Pop"

Diurnal vs Nocturnal activity: Nocturnal

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
PNG! Oggs! FLAC!

ASCII text files... [Smile]

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I thought about adding FLAC to the list, but figured that using lossless audio compression in itself was non mainstream. After all, there aren't really many alternatives, and none of them seem widely used. I'm only intending to use FLAC to back up unreplaceable audio CDs, and use ogg for the bulk of my listening. I'd pretty much agree with the rest of the above, except I don't much like the way perl looks. Thinking Python or PHP as an alternative.

Oh, and definitely Unix format ASCII files. I hate stupid CRLF conversion issues (lots of fun when using mixed WinCVS and Unix command line CVS clients).

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PNG > GIF (the option of 24-bit and higher, alpha transparency, and generally better compression than GIF).

PNG vs JPEG is a bit of a clueless comparison - if I want to get a point across with an image, I'll go for JPEG as a low-quality JPEG can be smaller than a PNG. But for presentable images, PNG and JPEG are two totally different formats intended for different uses. Then again, what format best suits screenshots of Mac OS X?

Mac format text files - I mean, they use 0x0D as the line break char, and after all, what key do you press to start a new line? (hah, maybe *NIX machines map Enter to 0x0A to be thoroughly perverse).

For server-side scripting, MacASP, yay. It's not like anyone on this side of the solar system has ever heard of it, but still...

Hm, and something I spotted that a certain other topic has attuned me to: "my friends Newton is sweet." Protect the apostrophes! ;P

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I own laserdiscs, even wrote drivers for them while at Voyager. I owned a Sony Magic Link, and Newton of course. Tons of products that were great, but not popular.

Now I am waiting for that one geekette who finds me her perfect match, even tho I am not popular amongst the many [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by MacintoshGeek:
I own laserdiscs, even wrote drivers for them while at Voyager. ......

Speaking of LaserDiscs, I just sold my vols. 1-4 of the golden age of looney tunes on ebay for $450 !! These are some of the few titles that are worth the same or more than what they sold for new (I paid $91 per volume 10 years ago) Criterion titles being some of the other ones going at high prices. Vol 4 and 5 have been going for $150 each. Rumor has it come November vols 1-5 are coming out on DVD for approx $99, so I'm taking the chance they are and will buy them. So if you have these you might want to consider selling them now. But this is just a rumor about the DVDs.
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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
I thought about adding FLAC to the list, but figured that using lossless audio compression in itself was non mainstream. After all, there aren't really many alternatives, and none of them seem widely used. I'm only intending to use FLAC to back up unreplaceable audio CDs, and use ogg for the bulk of my listening.

Give mpc a try.

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Evil, I worked for Voyager/Criterion for 6 years, on the software side. Didn't do any of the LDs, but tons of the software that interacted with them.
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Newton 2100

Still the best PDA, IMO.

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quote:
Do you also find yourself drawn to products and such which are (a) better or more refined, but (b) in the minority?

Fortunately... yes [Wink]

1. I am attracted to geeks... and not the sexy, confident, i'm sure very nice people. ( geeks are both more refined and in the minority. Although recent studies show a steep rise in geekdom)

2. ahhhh yes... soft cover books, they're easier to read in bed. You can bend and shape them any way you want. Most wld go 4 the hardcovers, they look prettier and last longer.

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